Should Burke be given one extra year to redeem himself?

[Bomber0104]

All the players will flee Edmonton 1st chance they get.....without a doubt.

I'd be more worried about Phil Kessel and his UFA period coming up than Edmonton's restricted players myself.

You realize Eberle and Hall just signed long-term deals right?

 

[Schenn]

All the players will flee Edmonton 1st chance they get.....without a doubt.

Like Tavares was supposed to flee NYI to go to Toronto? No, Edmonton will attempt to retain their 4 young guns as much as possible, and all 4 will try to comply with trying to stay in Edmonton as much as possible because that is where they will have the best chance at winning a championship. (if the team can come into fruition around them) Obviously the salary cap plays a big part, and there more than likely won't be enough pieces of the pie for all 4 but I wouldn't be surprised to see 3 of the 4 still in EDM in 5 years at all.

 

[The Apologist]

As a realist, I would say that a 1st line player scoring under 50 points is similar to a 4th line player getting no points, no body checks, and accidentally scoring on his own net 15 times throughout the regular season.

(And I am well aware that there were other 1st line players in the league that were terrible last year... so don't bother citing me examples.)

That wasn't the question....

What was your prediction for Bozak?

 

[The Apologist]

as much experience as you have.

there's no reason he wouldn't implement his system immediately. and there's no reason smart nhl-calibre hockey players should take very long to learn it.

Well, as a coach myself, I can say that implementing a system does not happen overnight. Granted its not the NHL....

 

[FreeBird]

Please tell me how Burke will be able to do anything more with one extra year?

Oh, he might be able to trade another 1st round draft pick and screw the Leafs again in the process!

What about the 2nd rd pick he gave away for Biggs, is their any one in the Hockey World that would trade John Gibson for Tyler Biggs or Stuart Percy.

 

[ACC1224]

Like Tavares was supposed to flee NYI to go to Toronto? No, Edmonton will attempt to retain their 4 young guns as much as possible, and all 4 will try to comply with trying to stay in Edmonton as much as possible because that is where they will have the best chance at winning a championship. (if the team can come into fruition around them) Obviously the salary cap plays a big part, and there more than likely won't be enough pieces of the pie for all 4 but I wouldn't be surprised to see 3 of the 4 still in EDM in 5 years at all.

whooooooooosssshhhhh

 

[The Apologist]

You've got a good point, but the so-called "realists" can only evaluate the job done by the GM who has the job presently.

Their evaluation appears closer to reality than the one of the so-called "apologists".

He has done very good things (a magician at trades most of the times) but the results, as of now, are not impressive.

That my friend is all a matter of opinion. Some (not all) 'realists' have a hard time admitting when they are very wrong.

 

[The Apologist]

Their defence and goaltending is as worse as ours.

So even if that is even, they still have the astronomical edge with Hall, Eberle, Nuge, and Yakupov (you forgot him)

Their defense (both now and in the near future) is much worse than ours. Where is their Phaneuf? Rielly? Gunnar? Finn? I can go on. Granted they do have one solid defensive prospect, but really, they are very thin after that.

Unless RNH, Yaku, Hall, Ebs become dmen, Edmonton is gonna struggle for years to come

 

[achtungbaby]

How do you expect the Oilers to win with questionable goaltending and a defense like that? It's a lot of hopefuls but still people are letting it slide because they did it "properly". I have a hard time seeing Hall, Eberle and Hopkins handling the rigors of playoff hockey on their own..

Last season the Oilers let in 239 goals which was an improvement from the 269 goals they allowed in the 2010-11.

Last season the Leafs let in 264 goals which was worse than the 251 goals they allowed in 2010-11.

No need to run down another club to pump the Leafs tires, we have plenty to worry about on our own plate.

 

[DD03]

Last season the Oilers let in 239 goals which was an improvement from the 269 goals they allowed in the 2010-11.

Last season the Leafs let in 264 goals which was worse than the 251 goals they allowed in 2010-11.

No need to run down another club to pump the Leafs tires, we have plenty to worry about on our own plate.

GA has very little to do with their defense. That's a team stat.

 

[charliolemieux]

I'm not EVER answering a question of yours again. Not until you answer this question.

What is a better means of assessing our prospects compared to the rest of the league than a rankings list created by professional nhl scouts?

I'll throw in another question.

If one team was managed by the best GM in nhl history for 5 years, and the other was managed by a 7 year old child...
who do you think would have better prospects?

Or is it entirely a "fluke", and it could go either way?

Do you really promise to never answer me again?

Fine by me.

 

[charliolemieux]

Last season the Oilers let in 239 goals which was an improvement from the 269 goals they allowed in the 2010-11.

Last season the Leafs let in 264 goals which was worse than the 251 goals they allowed in 2010-11.

No need to run down another club to pump the Leafs tires, we have plenty to worry about on our own plate.

Had nothing to do with Khabby's hot start. EDM only let in 20 goals in the first 13 games.

Which means they played the final 69 games at a 260ga/82gp pace.

 

[Bomber0104]

Had nothing to do with Khabby's hot start. EDM only let in 20 goals in the first 13 games.

Which means they played the final 69 games at a 260ga/82gp pace.

Still less than the Leafs.

And that's not even without removing the best 13 games the Leafs had GA-wise either. Not really fair to just remove 13 games of the Oilers without doing the same for the Leafs right?

So in summation: the Oilers played better defensively and obviously have way better offensive weapons in their system.

 

[Bomber0104]

Their defense (both now and in the near future) is much worse than ours. Where is their Phaneuf? Rielly? Gunnar? Finn? I can go on. Granted they do have one solid defensive prospect, but really, they are very thin after that.

Unless RNH, Yaku, Hall, Ebs become dmen, Edmonton is gonna struggle for years to come

Actually the evidence suggests the Oilers were better defensively last year.

Seems you are unfamiliar with the Oilers defence prospects. They have more than just Schultz .

 

[Bomber0104]

 

[achtungbaby]

Had nothing to do with Khabby's hot start. EDM only let in 20 goals in the first 13 games.

Which means they played the final 69 games at a 260ga/82gp pace.

Or, they let in 239 ga over 82 games in the 2010-11 season. It's not like we're taking goals away from Kessel during one of his hot streaks are we?

 

[LeafsNation75]

I'd be more worried about Phil Kessel and his UFA period coming up than Edmonton's restricted players myself.

Hopefully this won't happen but if Brian Burke see's that Kessel doesn't want to re-sign before he becomes a UFA, he will trade him and get something good in return.

 

[achtungbaby]

GA has very little to do with their defense. That's a team stat.

Which stats do you use to come to the conclusion that the Leafs defense is that much better than Edmontons? +/-??

 

[achtungbaby]

Good stuff man.

 

[Bomber0104]

Which stats do you use to come to the conclusion the Leafs defense is that much better than Edmontons? +/-??

The names on the back of the sweater.

That's a stat, right?

 

[ACC1224]

I know it was a long time ago but didn't the Leafs finish higher than the Oilers in the standings?

 

[Morbo]

I know it was a long time ago but didn't the Leafs finish higher than the Oilers in the standings?

Using the standings as an argument only applies when it goes against the Leafs. Realist rules.

 

[ULF_55]

I know it was a long time ago but didn't the Leafs finish higher than the Oilers in the standings?

I know it was a longer time ago, but didn't the Oilers win the Cup more recently?

Two different rebuilds, in different stages.

Leafs are rebuilding with Kessel as the key piece, 25 years old, Oilers with Eberle 22 years old.

 

[Bomber0104]

Oilers not planning free agent splash

I know it was a long time ago but didn't the Leafs finish higher than the Oilers in the standings?

Read this: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/story/2010/05/19/sp-oilers-plan.html?ref=rss

Kevin Lowe has a new master plan for taking the Edmonton Oilers back to the proud days of the franchise's past.

It starts with the No. 1 pick in next month's draft, earned by having the NHL's worst record this season, and includes an increased emphasis on developing players through the minor leagues while spending less on free agents.

"We've got to get back to what we did for a lot of years," said Lowe, who moved to his current position in 2008 after eight seasons as general manager. "We've got to get back to our basic principles of drafting and development, get out of the free agent business."

"It's a best-case scenario in a difficult time, and that's the way the system of sports is designed, right? When you have that kind of year, at the end of the day you get rewarded with the best player," said Lowe, who won five Stanley Cups as an Oilers player from 1984 to 1990.

"We've found over the last decade that, except for the last couple years, we've been a competitive team, but there wasn't really a year where we were considered a contender at the start of the year."

"It just seems to be in recent NHL history that the only way you become a contender is you have to go to the back of the bus for a while and regroup," Lowe said. "We had a pile of injuries this year to key players and in some respects …it's a blessing in disguise.

 

[achtungbaby]

Using the standings as an argument only applies when it goes against the Leafs. Realist rules.

Perhaps you can offer up a reason why the Leafs defense is better than Edmontons then? That's all I'm asking here, I never said the Oilers were the better team. In fact, I never said the Oilers have better defense either. I'm just refuting the idea that our defense is that much better than Edmontons.