Short on talent, Kings are in need of overhaul

[deaderhead28]

Speaks the truth? Just because you might think it's the truth, doesn't mean others feel the same way. It's not truth, it's opinion. I just never thought of message boards as a place where it's important to be correct or right, or get that upset when others don't agree with me. It's just a place to discuss what we see and add a dimension to our fan-hood.

The team was up and coming and in a different spot, but it was way more negative than it is right now back in 2012. Some posters back then were posting truths about how this team wasn't going to win and this and that, then 6 months later they went 16-4. It's obvious that this team needs some changes, but some don't agree that selling the core is the way to go. Again not truth, just opinion.

Sorry fishy if I touched a nerve.I think it's a big deal to be knowledgeable when having a debate or discussion on a particular subject or they would look silly trying to comment on my posts when someone isn't up to speed on current team needs as K17 and I've said for a few years now while others have disagreed and attacked us.

 

[deaderhead28]

That's 1 guy. How many guys outside of the top 20 in 2014 would you think is a good enough prospect where they would have value in a trade for one of our stars? That's 190 guys to choose from.

Pasternak at 25, sure. Fabbri was 21, he'd work too. 2nd round on? I'd do Arvidsson. That's probably it.

I agree to a point since many players have been found in later rounds.

 

[KingCanadain1976]

Dead serious question time why is it when we question you and 17 on something u said as if its truth you call it a attack and when u say things to me its a discussion I see that as different rule for u and I

 

[deaderhead28]

Dead serious question time why is it when we question you and 17 on something u said as if its truth you call it a attack and when u say things to me its a discussion I see that as different rule for u and I

I got the chicken lil label the negative Nancy label and of course the doom and gloom.I even got people asking the mod to remove us and to just hit us with trolling warnings just cause we didn't agree with the crowd.I didn't think it was this bad to disagree with a majority.If everyone agreed in this world, it would be a dumb pathetic life and society.We could never learn or improve things and our way of life.

 

[deaderhead28]

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[KingCanadain1976]

I got the chicken lil label the negative Nancy label and of course the doom and gloom.I even got people asking the mod to remove us and to just hit us with trolling warnings just cause we didn't agree with the crowd.I didn't think it was this bad to disagree with a majority.If everyone agreed in this world, it would be a dumb pathetic life and society.We could never learn or improve things and our way of life.

I may not agree with your negative for the most part posts but you have every right to make them and i have posted to that fact a lot in my posts to you. I to disagree with the majority on here on a lot things people post (my dwight king stance comes to mind also see clifford responses ) just to show u have two have been on the outside looking in. However as i say i try and also point out things see as going right. I have taken the time to see ur side and do agree with some of the things u have said however as i said before a little sugar help the medicine goes down and i believe u have tried to be a little more positive at times. i hope this is because of what i said. I have to say there are times that u word things that could be considered trolling to me. I however am not a mod. People take things personal and the way you respond can rub that person the wrong way. I when i post my doom and gloom posts are ment to show there is another side to your black hole posts. I consider them a ying to your yang Anyways we will continue to be on opposite sides of the cup but i will always support ur right to say ur cup is empty

 

[Bandit]

I don't even have to read it as I am sure he just read this board and summarized my best stuff.

You keep on enjoying having sunshine blown up your skirt. On pace to have won 1 playoff game in the last 4 seasons. The last playoff series win was in June of 2014, ancient history.

All true, but so what? Pittsburgh had how many years between cups? I don't know why anyone would watch the team to be pissed off, it's supposed to be entertainment. When it stops becoming that, it's time to change the channel.

The team started chasing the cup in 2011 failing in the playoffs against the sharks 7 years later its coming to a close due to a aging core.

And the Sharks were competing for a cup long before us, still looking for that first win...

We've to repeat ourselves cause some of the tired old regurgitated excuses keep being repeated to us and having to address it.

I laughed out loud at that one, thanks. You HAVE to address it? Or what? It's the internet my man, not life & death.

 

[deaderhead28]

All true, but so what? Pittsburgh had how many years between cups? I don't know why anyone would watch the team to be pissed off, it's supposed to be entertainment. When it stops becoming that, it's time to change the channel.



And the Sharks were competing for a cup long before us, still looking for that first win...



I laughed out loud at that one, thanks. You HAVE to address it? Or what? It's the internet my man, not life & death.

 

[KingCanadain1976]

All true, but so what? Pittsburgh had how many years between cups? I don't know why anyone would watch the team to be pissed off, it's supposed to be entertainment. When it stops becoming that, it's time to change the channel.



And the Sharks were competing for a cup long before us, still looking for that first win...



I laughed out loud at that one, thanks. You HAVE to address it? Or what? It's the internet my man, not life & death.

lmao so true if i could i'd like this twice

 

[deaderhead28]

lmao so true if i could i'd like this twice

Sad thing is he actually made fun of himself.He didn't comprehend the post he responded to which is hilarious.

 

[KingCanadain1976]

Sad thing is he actually made fun of himself.He didn't comprehend the post he responded to which is hilarious.

I liked the cartoon its hilarious to me

 

[LAKings88]

I don’t know if LA will win another cup. Thankful I got to see two.

Richards and Voynov were the two biggest blows to this team.

Letting Williams and Mitchell go was next.

Been a fan since 88. I still like watching this team but coming down from such great heights is new for me and for this fan base.

The core is there but it’s not the same team that won cups.

Hockey is not the end all be all. I’m critical at times but I’ll never stop being a fan. Playoffs or not. Seen a few eras come and go. We will see what Vilardi can bring maybe. Carter’s and Quick’s injuries can’t be understated enough for the effect they had on the last two years as well.

 

[Bandit]

Sad thing is he actually made fun of himself.He didn't comprehend the post he responded to which is hilarious.

Riiiiiiiight.

 

[King'sPawn]

It's not a bad article, but I still disagree with the overall premise.

Kopitar, Quick, and Doughty are three cornerstone players with whom you can win the cup.

The article points to Carter being injured affecting the team's performance as a valid point, but says he was healthy last season; meaning it's not a valid excuse. The writer was unaware that the Kings were without a healthy Kopitar for most of last season.

Keep in mind it's not excuse making; ultimately, the Kings didn't get it done. But I still believe they CAN.

Trevor Lewis has done a fantastic job stepping up this year, but the two young players who were supposed to be the next wave in the franchise (Toffoli and Pearson) have stagnated and seem lost without Carter. Brown is back to being inconsistent. After Kopitar and Doughty, he's the third leading scorer with 38 points in 56 games. That's on par for 56 points. The "next wave" is on pace for 53 points.

Trading Carter, Doughty, etc. will bring in younger players of unknown longterm quality and many years of sucky hockey, and there aren't any young players leading the charge.

Rebuilds are fun with no expectations and you can see players grow, but it's a long term commitment.

And while I am not completely adverse to a rebuild, the Kings should at least stay the course for the season (even if it is a black hole), to follow up the multiple years of "going for it".

 

[deaderhead28]

Riiiiiiiight.

 

[KINGS17]

All true, but so what? Pittsburgh had how many years between cups? I don't know why anyone would watch the team to be pissed off, it's supposed to be entertainment. When it stops becoming that, it's time to change the channel.

But so what? Being a contender is the name of the game and teams should try to be a contender as often as possible. You presume a lot. Watching doesn't piss me off ever. I am a Kings fan and a hockey fan. I enjoy the game. I make observations based on what I see on the ice and off the ice. Analyzing the moves teams make is part of the fun. It's just lately the Kings have made a lot of bonehead moves.

For me it will always be entertainment, but I am not going to spend 2 hours in traffic, and pay for tickets to watch this type of team. I can do that just fine from my couch at home and enjoy it just fine. When the Kings do something to get me excited about the possibility of contending again, I will be back at Staples quite often.

 

[KINGS17]

It's not a bad article, but I still disagree with the overall premise.

Kopitar, Quick, and Doughty are three cornerstone players with whom you can win the cup.

The article points to Carter being injured affecting the team's performance as a valid point, but says he was healthy last season; meaning it's not a valid excuse. The writer was unaware that the Kings were without a healthy Kopitar for most of last season.

Keep in mind it's not excuse making; ultimately, the Kings didn't get it done. But I still believe they CAN.

Trevor Lewis has done a fantastic job stepping up this year, but the two young players who were supposed to be the next wave in the franchise (Toffoli and Pearson) have stagnated and seem lost without Carter. Brown is back to being inconsistent. After Kopitar and Doughty, he's the third leading scorer with 38 points in 56 games. That's on par for 56 points. The "next wave" is on pace for 53 points.

Trading Carter, Doughty, etc. will bring in younger players of unknown longterm quality and many years of sucky hockey, and there aren't any young players leading the charge.

Rebuilds are fun with no expectations and you can see players grow, but it's a long term commitment.

And while I am not completely adverse to a rebuild, the Kings should at least stay the course for the season (even if it is a black hole), to follow up the multiple years of "going for it".

Tell me why you fear long term commitment. I'm listening.

 

[deaderhead28]

But so what? Being a contender is the name of the game and teams should try to be a contender as often as possible. You presume a lot. Watching doesn't piss me off ever. I am a Kings fan and a hockey fan. I enjoy the game. I make observations based on what I see on the ice and off the ice. Analyzing the moves teams make is part of the fun. It's just lately the Kings have made a lot of bonehead moves.

For me it will always be entertainment, but I am not going to spend 2 hours in traffic, and pay for tickets to watch this type of team. I can do that just fine from my couch at home and enjoy it just fine. When the Kings do something to get me excited about the possibility of contending again, I will be back at Staples quite often.

I don't live in So Cal anymore and haven't since 2000.Been a fan since I was a small boy watching the team play in their best uniforms they ever wore.Spent many years in the military and lived in different states so I can't get to go to staples.I normally have to wait for them to go to Colo or Arizona.If they fix this mess of a roster i'll stop watching them on Direct tv and my IPhone and more in person.

 

[KINGS17]

They can, but win now teams win, so the picks are in the 20-30 range and not worth much. It would have to be a heck of a batch of prospects, and the teams that usually have those are at the bottom.

I get what you are saying, but those 20-30 picks and the prospects you get really matter when it comes to depth and filling holes at the right time.

Let's take the Pavel Demitra trade for example. The Kings received Patrick O'Sullivan and a 1st from Minnesota which I believe was the 17th overall. With their own pick in the 1st round the Kings took Jonathan Bernier, the 17th was Trevor Lewis, and of course the Kings received O'Sullivan who was NHL ready. That's three young assets which would have value for many years.

Are you going to get world beaters with picks in the lower 1/2 or 1/3 of the first round? Probably not, but those type of picks are great opportunities to draft players which are definitely NHL-caliber prospects. When you are in a rebuild mode your own picks are the high ones in the first round. A few years of having two picks in the first round starts to be a big deal in 3-4 years if the scouting and development departments are top notch.

O'Sullivan of course turned into Justin Williams and Bernier perhaps pushed Quick to be his best. BTW, those two first round picks in 2006 are the only two players drafted by the Kings that year to make any kind of impact in the NHL. Anytime you get a first round pick, you have a shot at getting an NHL player.

As damacles has pointed out so much recently, real NHL players aren't easy to come by.

 

[LAKings88]

Reading the article a little more closely, there is no mention of Quick’s injury.

Two significant injuries have hampered this team. I do think they would have made the playoffs the last two years without those injuries.

 

[Fishhead]

I agree.

This is why those picks aren't worth much. The chances of anyone outside the top few picks ever turning into a Kopitar, Doughty, or Carter are extremely low. It's why guys of their level are rarely traded, getting value back is very difficult. It's the reason why trading those types is always a losing proposition, and a team is better off trying to surround them with new blood and winning than trading them.

 

[Fishhead]

Sorry fishy if I touched a nerve.I think it's a big deal to be knowledgeable when having a debate or discussion on a particular subject or they would look silly trying to comment on my posts when someone isn't up to speed on current team needs as K17 and I've said for a few years now while others have disagreed and attacked us.

No nerve touched, I never get riled on message boards

But did you notice you just insinuated that others are less knowledgeable and not up to speed because their opinion might differ from yours on team needs? It's statements like that which are probably why you feel you're being attacked. Just sayin'.

 

[deaderhead28]

Speaks the truth? Just because you might think it's the truth, doesn't mean others feel the same way. It's not truth, it's opinion. I just never thought of message boards as a place where it's important to be correct or right, or get that upset when others don't agree with me.

Funny Fishy,wasn't insulting anyone, I was simply responding to the bold print above of your quote,about Its not important to be right or correct lol That is hilarious thing to say.Of course it's important to be informed if you're going to engage in a discussion telling people it's their opinion or accusing they're wrong.

 

[King'sPawn]

Tell me why you fear long term commitment. I'm listening.

I'm not. But it's why a full season should be spent evaluating. A team shouldn't just "blow it all up" after going for it for years.

I think you find I'm not too different in my philosophy

 

[tny760]

In reality teams would pay to get a Carter,Muzzin,Martinez,Toffoli etc.That's called the real world.

and you get what?

and you build around who?

you have no answers to this beyond "prospects"