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KINGS17 said:
This retool only works if Vilardi, Clague, and probably even Cal Peterson are the real deals in pretty short order.
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This is the big thing right here. I think if 2 of them work out, and if Amadio/Kempe continue on their current paths, the teams in business for the short term until it's scorched earth time with the old core. I think the odds of that happening are just as good as a full rebuild succeeding, if not better.

I think as Kings fans we might be a little skewed, because the Kings have only rebuilt one time and it was very successful. It's not like that every time, it's rare.
 
KINGS17 said:
I don't even have to read it as I am sure he just read this board and summarized my best stuff.

You keep on enjoying having sunshine blown up your skirt. On pace to have won 1 playoff game in the last 4 seasons. The last playoff series win was in June of 2014, ancient history.
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Tyvm I will its the kindest thing u have posted to me for a while :sarcasm: I also would like to say to enjoy your doom and gloom outlook That black cloud that seems to follow your outlook on the team very much suits you. The team spent two years chasing a cup we are now in a retool and i will enjoy seeing the progress in the team as you will find a way see to the dark side of it. It is what it is
 
tny760 said:
exactly, this ain't nhl 18

you don't just get every trade you want
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This makes no sense.What in the world are you referring to Nhl 18 for?Nothing crazy about getting value for your signed players and asking for prospects and picks lolGonna find trades and make them to help your team in the long run with picks prospects and when possiable established young players to rebuild with.
 
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KingCanadain1976 said:
Tyvm I will its the kindest thing u have posted to me for a while :sarcasm: I also would like to say to enjoy your doom and gloom outlook That black cloud that seems to follow your outlook on the team very much suits you. The team spent two years chasing a cup we are now in a retool and i will enjoy seeing the progress in the team as you will find a way see to the dark side of it. It is what it is
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The team started chasing the cup in 2011 failing in the playoffs against the sharks 7 years later its coming to a close due to a aging core.
 
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deaderhead28 said:
The team started chasing the cup in 2011 failing in the playoffs against the sharks 7 years later its coming to a close due to a aging core.
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i was responding to 17 one his favorite fall back the we haven't won a playoff game in 4 years post that where i got the 2 year post from They chased the dream for 2 years and are now back on the retool mode. However i would like this to be my last post as this is a doom and gloom outlook thread and your more then welcome to continue it however u won't get much more out of me i prefer to look at the positives the team has made this year.
 
KingCanadain1976 said:
i was responding to 17 one his favorite fall back the we haven't won a playoff game in 4 years post that where i got the 2 year post from They chased the dream for 2 years and are now back on the retool mode. However i would like this to be my last post as this is a doom and gloom outlook thread and your more then welcome to continue it however u won't get much more out of me i prefer to look at the positives the team has made this year.
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Retooling or rebuilding is not doom and gloom.Its a chance to start a new group to grow and win more cups.I thought like you did when the 88-93 team was slowly traded off.Then Deadmarsh and the gang came and went.Then came Lombardi time here he built the next wave and had success that no other Kings GM or Owner or players had,they won two cups.Its time to start again.
 
deaderhead28 said:
Retooling or rebuilding is not doom and gloom.Its a chance to start a new group to grow and win more cups.I thought like you did when the 88-93 team was slowly traded off.Then Deadmarsh and the gang came and went.Then in Lombardi time here he built the next wave and had success that no other Kings GM or Owner or players had,they won two cups.Its time to start again.
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Never said it was but referring to things being in a black hole and always talking negatively is
 
I am sorry, I am so looking forward to the Kings just missing the playoffs or being first round fodder for the next 3 or 4 years! There that's better!

BTW, I don't need to "fall back on anything" as the one playoff game won in three years is pretty much right in all of our faces.
 
regulate said:
While the author mentions Carter, the reality is that we lost our leading scorer from the previous year and it's a steep hurdle for any NHL team to recover from. I'm glad we're still in the mix.
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Carter's injury is not the reason the team is once again climbing uphill. The loss of the threat of Carter was something they had to adjust to, but they have more than enough talent to put goals in the net, and win games. And he's been on this team the last 3 years when they failed. Too many fans are using that the reason the team is struggling. It's not. Leadership, or lack thereof, has plagued them for 3 years now. That's a glaring issue. THey also do not have the depth to compete with the skill set of the competition on most nights
I didn't' see them as a playoff team in Sept and nothing I've seen has changed that.
Luc and Blake have made good progress, given what they inherited. They had a strong draft, and have added some young blood, that's a positive first step. Iafallo, esp, has been fun to watch. Kempe and Co are growing with every game, it takes at least 2 years, closer to 3 for most young players to have a regular path, confidence and stabilize their game.
More young blood will be up next year.
It is going to take more than one year to undo DL's boggle.
And that path shouldn't include trading draft picks and prospect for that 'veteran' guy...no more rentals...
I think they will make moves in June and over the summer that will move some bodies out and hopefully get draft picks, prospects or a young player.
THey are well aware they have an aging core and some tough decisions to make .
 
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KingCanadain1976 said:
Never said it was but referring to things being in a black hole and always talking negatively is
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I find amazing that anytime someone speaks the truth or points out the flaws about this team it's highlighted and called being negative?I don't live in a pretend world or do I live in a land of unicorns.K17 and others have been consistent with our observation of this teams needs and it's well documented for nearly three years while we got labeled chicken littles and negative doom and gloom was directed at us and guess what?We were exactly right.Now here comes the labeling and attacks like a broken record cause we don't parrot the same majority theme that so many others do or did.The team needs some upgrades to be competitive.It's not going to happen cause we all sing Kum ba yah smoke weed and Cuban cigars while ignoring the facts and somehow the Kings holes on this roster due to personnel and a aging core is going to just reverse itself.Lets stop the feel good talk and fix the problems on this team and reason.
 
some people just say the same things over and over that is what i ment sorry if ur ego got bruised there. Its not like you have post that gem at least 100 times and it was in response to what Dead was saying nothing to do with u specifically and if u are making remarks to me quote me
 
KingCanadain1976 said:
some people just say the same things over and over that is what i ment sorry if ur ego got bruised there. Its not like you have post that gem at least 100 times and it was in response to what Dead was saying nothing to do with u specifically and if u are making remarks to me quote me
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We've to repeat ourselves cause some of the tired old regurgitated excuses keep being repeated to us and having to address it.
 
deaderhead28 said:
Win now teams can give prospects and picks.
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They can, but win now teams win, so the picks are in the 20-30 range and not worth much. It would have to be a heck of a batch of prospects, and the teams that usually have those are at the bottom.
 
deaderhead28 said:
I find amazing that anytime someone speaks the truth or points out the flaws about this team it's highlighted and called being negative?I don't live in a pretend world or do I live in a land of unicorns.K17 and others have been consistent with our observation of this teams needs and it's well documented for nearly three years while we got labeled chicken littles and negative doom and gloom was directed at us and guess what?We were exactly right.Now here comes the labeling and attacks like a broken record cause we don't parrot the same majority theme that so many others do or did.The team needs some upgrades to be competitive.It's not going to happen cause we all sing Kum ba yah smoke weed and Cuban cigars while ignoring the facts and somehow the Kings holes on this roster due to personnel and a aging core is going to just reverse itself.Lets stop the feel good talk and fix the problems on this team and reason.
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Dead stop with the feeling prescuted crap I have the right to post my "sunshine posts " s much as you have the right to post doom and gloom. I have never once said you don't have that right. Anytime i post something u or 17 don't like both of u craft well word attacks on me and i don't appreciate them at all. I have the right to respond to people using the words black hole as doom and gloom and until a mod tell me different i will continue with it So get used to it This also goes to 17
 
Fishhead said:
They can, but win now teams win, so the picks are in the 20-30 range and not worth much. It would have to be a heck of a batch of prospects, and the teams that usually have those are at the bottom.
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Here's a great example of what you call at the bottom.This kid was picked in the fifth round.He's ranked #1 prospect for the Bruins.

Anders Bjork
HT/WT: 6-0/186
Age: 21
Drafted: 146th overall in the fifth round of the 2014 draft by Boston.
 
deaderhead28 said:
I find amazing that anytime someone speaks the truth or points out the flaws about this team it's highlighted and called being negative?I don't live in a pretend world or do I live in a land of unicorns.K17 and others have been consistent with our observation of this teams needs and it's well documented for nearly three years while we got labeled chicken littles and negative doom and gloom was directed at us and guess what?We were exactly right.Now here comes the labeling and attacks like a broken record cause we don't parrot the same majority theme that so many others do or did.The team needs some upgrades to be competitive.It's not going to happen cause we all sing Kum ba yah smoke weed and Cuban cigars while ignoring the facts and somehow the Kings holes on this roster due to personnel and a aging core is going to just reverse itself.Lets stop the feel good talk and fix the problems on this team and reason.
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Speaks the truth? Just because you might think it's the truth, doesn't mean others feel the same way. It's not truth, it's opinion. I just never thought of message boards as a place where it's important to be correct or right, or get that upset when others don't agree with me. It's just a place to discuss what we see and add a dimension to our fan-hood.

The team was up and coming and in a different spot, but it was way more negative than it is right now back in 2012. Some posters back then were posting truths about how this team wasn't going to win and this and that, then 6 months later they went 16-4. It's obvious that this team needs some changes, but some don't agree that selling the core is the way to go. Again not truth, just opinion.
 
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Fishhead said:
Speaks the truth? Just because you might think it's the truth, doesn't mean others feel the same way. It's not truth, it's opinion. I just never thought of message boards as a place where it's important to be correct or right, or get that upset when others don't agree with me. It's just a place to discuss what we see and add a dimension to our fan-hood.

The team was up and coming and in a different spot, but it was way more negative than it is right now back in 2012. Some posters back then were posting truths about how this team wasn't going to win and this and that, then 6 months later they went 16-4. It's obvious that this team needs some changes, but some don't agree that selling the core is the way to go. Again not truth, just opinion.
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thank you for putting it in a better way then i could
 
deaderhead28 said:
Here's a great example of what you call at the bottom.This kid was picked in the fifth round.He's ranked #1 prospect for the Bruins.

Anders Bjork
HT/WT: 6-0/186
Age: 21
Drafted: 146th overall in the fifth round of the 2014 draft by Boston.
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That's 1 guy. How many guys outside of the top 20 in 2014 would you think is a good enough prospect where they would have value in a trade for one of our stars? That's 190 guys to choose from.

Pasternak at 25, sure. Fabbri was 21, he'd work too. 2nd round on? I'd do Arvidsson. That's probably it.
 
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