OT: Shooting at Parliament

[StefanW]

I thought he can't be elected more than twice?

That is the US system.

 

[HavlatMach9]

doesn't that excite you benny? harper 4 more years every 4 years

 

[Benjamin]

sadface

 

[YNWA14]

Would having more security at Parliament really hurt you so badly? I'm not sure I follow this train of thought. "Man, I hope they don't make Parliament more safe."

 

[Healfezza]

I thought he can't be elected more than twice?

American presidents can only serve a maximum of two terms.

Canada has no such limitation.

Check your history mate.

 

[YNWA14]

Also if giving CSIS/RCMP the power to have potentially apprehended these two before they did something like this do you not think that is a good thing? Or do you prefer to be reactive than proactive? Hey, our system is good the way it is after all only one person died and a couple got hurt...no big loss.

 

[Caeldan]

Also if giving CSIS/RCMP the power to have potentially apprehended these two before they did something like this do you not think that is a good thing? Or do you prefer to be reactive than proactive? Hey, our system is good the way it is after all only one person died and a couple got hurt...no big loss.

How proactive should you be? You want a Minority Report Thought Crimes division?
I think actually we have a good system in place, and without seriously trampling over the freedoms that people fought for in the World Wars - there's not a lot more power you can grant them.

I DO NOT want a Patriot Act style legislation rammed through during a time of high emotion.

 

[YNWA14]

Well the elected representatives obviously feel something more could be added to the system in place right now. Nobody is suggesting patriot act ****. Man, you guys are worse than CNN -- fear mongering about losing your liberties before anything even close to that has been suggested.

 

[BonkTastic]

I thought he can't be elected more than twice?

You're thinking of the United States.

Harper has already been elected 3 times. If he wins the next election, that will make it 4.

 

[Caeldan]

Well the elected representatives obviously feel something more could be added to the system in place right now. Nobody is suggesting patriot act ****. Man, you guys are worse than CNN -- fear mongering about losing your liberties before anything even close to that has been suggested.

How exactly you do you propose to apprehend someone prior to them committing an illegal act, without effectively charging them with a thought crime?

I mean, in an alternate universe - maybe the shooter drove up, slowed down, had a change of heart and moved on with his life. Who knows how many of those incidents occur every day.

 

[BonkTastic]

Also if giving CSIS/RCMP the power to have potentially apprehended these two before they did something like this do you not think that is a good thing?

What did Bibeau do prior to yesterday that would be cause for being apprehended?

 

[Caeldan]

You're thinking of the United States.

Harper has already been elected 3 times. If he wins the next election, that will make it 4.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Prime_Ministers_of_Canada_by_time_in_office

We've had quite a win 3 or more elections (7 in fact).
Also find it interesting (and didn't actually realize this) that we've also had 7 PMs serve who were never elected.

 

[Vesa Awesaka]

How exactly you do you propose to apprehend someone prior to them committing an illegal act, without effectively charging them with a thought crime?

I mean, in an alternate universe - maybe the shooter drove up, slowed down, had a change of heart and moved on with his life. Who knows how many of those incidents occur every day.

Having incriminating evidence related to terror? The US can hold people 24 hours without charging them and if their a teror suspect it can go beyond that.

 

[Caeldan]

Having incriminating evidence related to terror? The US can hold people 24 hours without charging them and if their a teror suspect it can go beyond that.

Thanks to the Patriot Act. Which is exactly my point.

 

[Vesa Awesaka]

What did Bibeau do prior to yesterday that would be cause for being apprehended?

He clearly had no business having a gun. So maybe that

 

[BonkTastic]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Prime_Ministers_of_Canada_by_time_in_office

We've had quite a few run 3 or more terms.

Yep.

Chretien, Trudeau, Diefenbaker, Mackenzie King, Laurier, and good ol' John A.



Fun Fact:
Arthur Meighen has been Prime Minister TWICE, despite never having been elected to that office. The first time, he served 16 months as PM when Robert Borden resigned, and the second he was appointed PM after the fallout of the King-Byng Affair.

 

[dumbdick]

I'm all for making it so that someone can't make an end-zone rush into a Parliament building. That would satisfy me. I don't want to see knee-jerk legislation getting rushed through the system right now.

 

[BonkTastic]

He clearly had no business having a gun. So maybe that

Conservatives scrapped the long gun registry.

How would they know he has a gun?

 

[Vesa Awesaka]

Do we really vote for a prime ministers? I also thought it was more voting for a party

 

[FireMelnyk]

He clearly had no business having a gun. So maybe that

Clearly restriction is a guaranteed considering he was already banned from having one and yet somehow found one.

 

[FireMelnyk]

Do we really vote for prime ministers? I also thought it was more voting for a party

It is for the party. If Harper got bored tomorrow and stepped down we would have another Conservative PM.

 

[BonkTastic]

Do we really vote for prime ministers? I also thought it was more voting for a party

You vote for a party, who has a leader, who will become the PM if that party wins.

It's not a direct election like the US, but it's effectively the same as far as public sentiment is concerned.





... do I really have to explain this?

 

[Johnny Hanson]

If we, as citizens, were allowed to carry concealed weapons, perhaps this whole tragedy could've been thwarted before it began.

 

[Caeldan]

Do we really vote for a prime ministers? I also thought it was more voting for a party

Technically yes, we vote for the party - and the party leader sits as the prime minister.
In practice though, I'd say most people vote for the leader they most prefer as typically the leader represents and directs the party.

 

[saskriders]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Prime_Ministers_of_Canada_by_time_in_office

We've had quite a win 3 or more elections (7 in fact).
Also find it interesting (and didn't actually realize this) that we've also had 7 PMs serve who were never elected.

7 PMs were never elected while being a party leader, but the were still elected to the house of commons.