I dunno. If you need a goal, it kinda makes sense to put Marner and Matthews out there even if they've been cold for a couple games.
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I dunno. If you need a goal, it kinda makes sense to put Marner and Matthews out there even if they've been cold for a couple games.
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makes sense - if the posters here are convincced that the core is fatallly flawed, they should be even more impressed by the job Keefe has done.
I didn’t absolve them of any of what happened in the game prior to OT, which was in no way good enough. Don’t move the goalposts. Your post I replied to very clearly talked about the speech and then going out and dropping a deuce. That speech clearly happened between the third period and OT. All I said was they hardly dropped a deuce in the OT and that their play in OT was ultimately meaningless if they could not find a way to win it, which is entirely accurate. Zero commentary provided on any part of the series other than game 6 OT on my part, nor did I remotely claim they deserved to win the game, and I’m pretty sure you know that.
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Or they are bitter and have used every complaint under the sun from our team is built terribly to coach is terrible to our stars don't show up in the playoffs. Which if we are being honest makes no sense at all, but they need to complain.
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Marner has been cold in the playoffs for two years. I think his last goal was against Boston.
People forget he was a rookie coach. The regular season was great but his inexperience showed in the playoffs. I'm honestly ok with the extension, much like how we were waiting for our young guys to develop a few years ago, Keefe has to go through the same thing. The right move would've been to hire a more veteran coach, but we have Keefe. You can't expect immediate results from a rookie coach, but this year 2 year deal is perfect. It's ownership/management saying time to prove it now. He had his 1 or 2 years now, show us something now. No excuses this time around, no silly decisions like putting in Johnsson in the playoff lineup, after he missed 6 months with injury and no practice. Or like starting off an elimination game with your top 2 C on the first line and no real second line C. Or dressing guys that you like but clearly cant perform.
We're all beyond fed up with the lack of success here, but it's not Keefe's fault that he is a young and relatively inexperienced coach. Management brought him in and we have to allow him to develop as a coach, much like our prospects. Anyways, this is it now, show us something. Failure now and there needs to be a massive shake up, Keefe/Dubas/Shanny and even core players.
We're all beyond fed up with the lack of success here, but it's not Keefe's fault that he is a young and relatively inexperienced coach. Management brought him in and we have to allow him to develop as a coach, much like our prospects. Anyways, this is it now, show us something. Failure now and there needs to be a massive shake up, Keefe/Dubas/Shanny and even core players.
Matthews/Marner/Hymen line 5v5(score adjusted) in the playoffs:
CF%: 54.36
SF%: 62.07
SCF%: 59.56
HDCF%: 75.71
xGF%: 69.01
GF%: 73.41
All other lines 5v5(score adjusted) without those 3 on them:
CF%: 51.29
SF%: 51.73
SCF%: 52.58
HDCF%: 51.69
xGF%: 53.49
GF%: 49.10
The PP is a different story of course but the Matthews line sure tore Danault's line a new one in the playoffs.
CF%: 54.36
SF%: 62.07
SCF%: 59.56
HDCF%: 75.71
xGF%: 69.01
GF%: 73.41
All other lines 5v5(score adjusted) without those 3 on them:
CF%: 51.29
SF%: 51.73
SCF%: 52.58
HDCF%: 51.69
xGF%: 53.49
GF%: 49.10
The PP is a different story of course but the Matthews line sure tore Danault's line a new one in the playoffs.
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yes they are awesome, but they need to score goals, period. They have to find a way.
And before you bring up Price, note that Price was only awesome against them (.975sv%), and not against the rest of the team (.910sv%).
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After a terrible season, Danault probably earned a $30m contract based on his playoff performance. I doubt the Kings think the Matthews line tore him a new ahole.
He was much better the rest of the playoffs (including against Tampa) and better be buying Price dinners the rest of his life. Price saved more than a few folks in the Habs organization last year.
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Dubas is showing confidence in his choice as coach with this extension, however Keefe's future it tied to Dubas who needs playoff results, and its Keefe that has to deliver on that.
Lets hope this is the year the learning curves for GM and Coach end and success arrives in Toronto and we see more than just a 1st round appearance.
Lets hope this is the year the learning curves for GM and Coach end and success arrives in Toronto and we see more than just a 1st round appearance.
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I don't think enough people on this board give the Habs D enough credit. If not for them, I bet Matty has a better series.
Off the top of my head:
Working a little harder to get them away from Danault
Trying them on separate lines to see if that sparked something
Adjusting an anemic powerplay with something more than swapping Sandin for Reilly
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You don't think a public show of confidence in a coach of a group that has a growing rep for immaturity/uncoachability, has gotten a coach fired, and knows/thinks they swing a pretty big stick in terms of internal dynamics is an overt message?
IMO it's pretty clear "If I'm still in charge, Keefe outlasts you"
they get some credit, of course. They played into the we aren’t calling any holding or cross checking ever perfectly and you know what kudos to them. If the league essentially deems it acceptable, can’t fault them for exploiting it.
that said, the Matthews line had no shortage of chances. They need to capitalize, no doubt, but I think it’s also fair to think Matthews wrist injury was a considerable issue as well. I just don’t think a healthy Matthews is shooting like 2%. I don’t care who is in net
Montreal was always a good defensive team and their Achilles heel the last few years has been goaltending. Price was so awful earlier in the year that there was legit talk of Allen taking over for the playoffs. Just like last year, Price proved why he is a big game keeper though. The only line that really underperformed defensively for Montreal in the first round was the Danault line as the lack of finish and Price's heroics played a bigger role than Danault's usual stud two-way play. Would have been nice if Hyman had managed to get a couple of more greasy goals or something as he somehow only had 1 point in the entire series but was always in the thick of scoring chances. Maybe still not that sharp coming off being hurt? How much did Matthews wrist come into play? who knows...
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this has nothing to do with a public show of confidence , it's simply about Dubas making sure his buddy gets a paid if they fail again this season and they get fired
and players making the money our core does aren't going to be terrified by the GM giving his bestie an undeserved extension , lol
hyman was terrible in the series. One of the least effective players on the ice. I’d give him a little leeway given he’d just returned from injury recently, but Hyman never really was a playoff performer for us, despite all his ice time with our top guys
that said, what you said about Montreal is fair. They are a good defensive team but beatable. They problem, becomes in the playoffs when the whistles go away. It plays right into the style they want
I agree to a point. Jeff Petry in particular is chronically underrated and Weber is tough to play against no matter how old he is. But if you're Auston Matthews you have to produce no matter who is on the other side, that's your job and the expectation. As good or bad as Montreal's defence was last season, it still wasn't as good as some of the teams the Leafs would ultimately have needed to go through to win the cup. (e.g. TB, NYI. BOS if healthy)
Oddly enough, The TB and NYI series wins are examples of series where goaltending was ultimately the deciding factor in the series.
Looking at the champs, Tampa wasnt nearly as impressive in their team play as years past and Vasy did most of the heavy lifting for them with Hedman labouring (with what turned out to be a pretty bad injury).
I hope our tandem works out like the Isles tandems have for them the last few years.
