Sheldon Keefe Discussion Thread

[Racer88]

I share your sentiments its probably the approach to the future where we differ.

Regarding VGK all I can say based on my opinion is that VGK management was shrewd, they did what was best for the franchise not necessarily for the player and also used the loopholes afforded to them in the CBA (ex: Stone all of a sudden becomes available for playoffs).

Leafs on the other hand, have not been shrewd, they have been soft and have done everything in the best interest of the players not the franchise.

Also, look at how many coaches VGK has gone through in 6 years of existence and the player personnel changes and compare that to the Leafs who have deeper pockets than VGK and is an original 6 franchise. Its shameful to be honest.

Yup and the players rewarded management with 7 years of crap playoffs

 

[Squiffy]

Honestly can’t believe it looks like they are bringing him back. Can only figure it’s for stability after whacky GM exit, but not a good enough reason to me. I thought he should have been gone anyways, but with the narrative of new GM wants to bring in own coach to boot in play, thought it was an easy move.

 

[Maple Leaf]

It is hard to believe. Cat has nine lives

 

[HEAVY DUTY]

There's no point in firing Keefe now. The all available candidates are awful. The time to fire Keefe was last year. We could have gotten Bruce Cassidy. Smh.

May as well ride Keefe for one more year and see if any viable candidates pop up next off-season.

 

[Mess]

Insider mentions championship coach as an option to fill coaching vacancy in Toronto​

On Friday, Sportsnet's Elliotte Friedman mentioned Hershey Bears head coach Todd Nelson as a person of potential interest to the Leafs. Friedman mentioned that Nelson would not likely depart Hershey for a lateral move to Toronto to take over as Marlies head coach, but that an NHL job in Toronto as an assistant on Keefe's staff might interest him after winning a Calder Cup with the Bears last week.

Carbery, now the head coach of the Washington Capitals, ran the Leafs' power play over the past few seasons. If hired, there's no guarantee that Nelson would take on that same role, but there's no doubt that a coach with a championship pedigree would be a real asset to the Leafs.

 

[Taylor Halls Teeth]

There's no point in firing Keefe now. The all available candidates are awful. The time to fire Keefe was last year. We could have gotten Bruce Cassidy. Smh.

May as well ride Keefe for one more year and see if any viable candidates pop up next off-season.

If Keefe cant get the most out of his top guys in the playoffs then why are the available options automatically awful? Someone who hasn't had any post season success is completely replaceable. Any new coach who isn't fresh off the vine is a better option because it seems like Sheldon has proven he isnt the guy for this roster in the playoffs. If we believe this is a powerful lineup then a new coach is the obvious move.

If the lineup has fatal issues then major roster moves have to be made for Keefe to have any chance.
They need to can his ass or let him have a lineup that follows him.

 

[Amadeus]

Insider mentions championship coach as an option to fill coaching vacancy in Toronto​

On Friday, Sportsnet's Elliotte Friedman mentioned Hershey Bears head coach Todd Nelson as a person of potential interest to the Leafs. Friedman mentioned that Nelson would not likely depart Hershey for a lateral move to Toronto to take over as Marlies head coach, but that an NHL job in Toronto as an assistant on Keefe's staff might interest him after winning a Calder Cup with the Bears last week.

Carbery, now the head coach of the Washington Capitals, ran the Leafs' power play over the past few seasons. If hired, there's no guarantee that Nelson would take on that same role, but there's no doubt that a coach with a championship pedigree would be a real asset to the Leafs.

I've been calling Nelson as an option for a while. I think he did an excellent job with Edmonton but never given another opportunity.

 

[Gabriel426]

If Jon Cooper was looking for a job right now you don't hesitate at all letting Keefe go. But it all comes down to making change for the sake of making change, and if there aren't great options out there, it's not necessary... otherwise you're going to get a less than ideal candidate, roll with them for a while and then other names will popup.

Plus if the Leafs go in the ditch at any point, they'll be able to use that bullet then.

I am curious to see how he'll behave without a boss-partner-in-crime who makes him apologize to Mitch though. Don't think the key to his flaws is necessarily the motivation piece, but what will he look like when there isn't a GM to override him when sending a message?

I agree, just don’t think there are any good replacement out there. Deep down, I hope they are waiting for Q to clear.

It will be interesting to see if Keefe can be more blunt with the boys when they had bad stretches or not playing the right way.

 

[BallardEra]

It will be interesting to see if Keefe can be more blunt with the boys when they had bad stretches or not playing the right way.

Does it really matter? It's like having that one soft teacher that everyone takes advantage of and one day comes in talking tough.

The kids just laugh and carry on.

Keefe lost any respect that he might have had in that room the second he walked back his comments last season.

 

[Gabriel426]

Does it really matter? It's like having that one soft teacher that everyone takes advantage of and one day comes in talking tough.

The kids just laugh and carry on.

Keefe lost any respect that he might have had in that room the second he walked back his comments last season.

That’s why it will be interesting to see what happens

 

[PromisedLand]

 

[alliuk12]

That’s why it will be interesting to see what happens

well another quick exit next season is all you can expect

 

[Menzinger]

If Treliving is smart he puts a future Keefe replacement in the Marlies HC role. Ideally the best they can hire out of the chl or NCAA by flexing that MLSE financial muscle

 

[mikeyz]

I've been hearing this from leaf fans for years. If that is what you think then you should cheer for Arizona who make no money at all.

If I were a betting man, I think even Arizona has a better chance of winning the cup next before we do. So your chirp/flex here is not as strong as you think it is. LOL

 

[tmlfan98]

If Treliving is smart he puts a future Keefe replacement in the Marlies HC role. Ideally the best they can hire out of the chl or NCAA by flexing that MLSE financial muscle

This will probably happen, same thing with the new assistant coach hire. All of the rumoured names (Muller/Nelson/Taylor/Love before WSH got him) were all interviewing for head coaching searches around the league and now that there's no more HC jobs, assistant coach jobs.

Treliving is bringing Keefe back to save a bullet for later, but there's no way he wants Keefe to feel safe. Keefe is going to be looking over his shoulder at both the new assistant coach and the new Marlies HC.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

If I were a betting man, I think even Arizona has a better chance of winning the cup next before we do. So your chirp/flex here is not as strong as you think it is. LOL

Well first Arizona has to qualify for the playoffs lol.

AZ have made it to the playoffs once in the 10 years, only made 9 playoff appearances in their franchise history (since 1996). How do you figure Arizona will win a cup when they limp around each season with AHL talent mixed with reclamation projects?

::Chirp chirp chirp flex flex flex::

 

[Gabriel426]

Well first Arizona has to qualify for the playoffs lol.

AZ have made it to the playoffs once in the 10 years, only made 9 playoff appearances in their franchise history (since 1996). How do you figure Arizona will win a cup when they limp around each season with AHL talent mixed with reclamation projects?

::Chirp chirp chirp flex flex flex::

Maybe the league will give AZ a type of loser draft like the expansion draft, lol.

 

[mikeyz]

Well first Arizona has to qualify for the playoffs lol.

AZ have made it to the playoffs once in the 10 years, only made 9 playoff appearances in their franchise history (since 1996). How do you figure Arizona will win a cup when they limp around each season with AHL talent mixed with reclamation projects?

::Chirp chirp chirp flex flex flex::

I still stand by my previous statement. Eventually they’ll figure it out

 

[Gabriel426]

Just curious, any Keefe fans here or anyone think Keefe is actually a really good coach and just under lucky

 

[mikeyz]

This organization is clearly not serious about winning.

Just curious, any Keefe fans here or anyone think Keefe is actually a really good coach and just under lucky

He’s lucky in the sense that he’s the coach of a team that management could give 2 shits about winning.

 

[nuck]

I share your sentiments its probably the approach to the future where we differ.

Regarding VGK all I can say based on my opinion is that VGK management was shrewd, they did what was best for the franchise not necessarily for the player and also used the loopholes afforded to them in the CBA (ex: Stone all of a sudden becomes available for playoffs).

Leafs on the other hand, have not been shrewd, they have been soft and have done everything in the best interest of the players not the franchise.

Also, look at how many coaches VGK has gone through in 6 years of existence and the player personnel changes and compare that to the Leafs who have deeper pockets than VGK and is an original 6 franchise. Its shameful to be honest.

I can sort of get with the Leafs thinking. They went through a musical chairs management period with instability and really poor results, like a ton of other clubs did on their way to respectability. Patience, stick to the plan yada yada yada.

BUT after that third 100pt season they had a right to expect some real results. Gallant's exits from VGK and NYR were examples of a club saying you did some great stuff but we think our group is good and can do more. The Sharks let Ron Wilson go after the club finished 2nd overall and had made it past the first round four times in a row. They finished 1st overall the next year. If a club has a very good lineup and makes changes, that isn't the same as a weak team cycling through coaches and hoping they somehow get better. There is patience and then there is misplaced trust.

 

[BallardEra]

Just curious, any Keefe fans here or anyone think Keefe is actually a really good coach and just under lucky

He's a good regular season coach a la Bruce Boudreau.

Need a better coach to take you to the finish line.

If Treliving is smart he puts a future Keefe replacement in the Marlies HC role. Ideally the best they can hire out of the chl or NCAA by flexing that MLSE financial muscle

If he's truly smart he puts that replacement as an assistant to Keefe.

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

My toaster is broken.

I wonder if I can use Keefe's seat.

It's so hot right now it could be used as an energy source to power the city for the next hundred years. The only thing hotter is Cindy Crawford in a bikini. Maybe if Keefe learned how to shut his piehole, instead of throwing his players under the bus, he would have a bit more job security.

He wouldn't have to look like a grovelling idiot walking back his comments if he didn't say stupid things in the first place.

The first time it was funny. Then it was sad. Now it's back to being funny again.

When the coach has to keep apologizing because the poor whittle babies got their feewings hurt, I find it both funny and sad at the same time.

I honestly don't know whether to laugh or to cry. We’ve all heard the rumors about how certain players have had their issues with Keefe. That might be true. But I don’t see how anyone, beyond God himself, could do more with this same gutless collection of spoiled whiny brats.

It's only a matter of time before these coach killers have their way with Keefe over the barrel like they did Babcock.

Keefe knows he's the walking dead. Coaches are hired to get fired. It's a lot easier to replace a coach with a big mouth than it is to replace a sixty goal scorer with a big ego.

Bottom line: Keefe is toast.

 

[fahad203]

My toaster is broken.

I wonder if I can use Keefe's seat.

It's so hot right now it could be used as an energy source to power the city for the next hundred years. The only thing hotter is Cindy Crawford in a bikini. Maybe if Keefe learned how to shut his piehole, instead of throwing his players under the bus, he would have a bit more job security.

He wouldn't have to look like a grovelling idiot walking back his comments if he didn't say stupid things in the first place.

The first time it was funny. Then it was sad. Now it's back to being funny again.

When the coach has to keep apologizing because the poor whittle babies got their feewings hurt, I find it both funny and sad at the same time.

I honestly don't know whether to laugh or to cry. We’ve all heard the rumors about how certain players have had their issues with Keefe. That might be true. But I don’t see how anyone, beyond God himself, could do more with this same gutless collection of spoiled whiny brats.

It's only a matter of time before these coach killers have their way with Keefe over the barrel like they did Babcock.

Keefe knows he's the walking dead. Coaches are hired to get fired. It's a lot easier to replace a coach with a big mouth than it is to replace a sixty goal scorer with a big ego.

Bottom line: Keefe is toast.

Keefe should have been fired after the Habs series. Not a single coach from the North division still around except for Keefe. Yet his team was the one that lost the 3-1 choke job by no other than our bitter rival

People are saying, well, there's nobody out there worth pursuing. Well just get another college coach or something for interm basis. He can't do worse than Keefe. The team will do just fine in regular season and make the playoffs no matter who the coach is.

Absolutely not looking forward to next season. Same coach, same core 4 yet we are expecting different results. All we are going to do is move the bottom 6, like we have for last 5 years

 

[justashadowof]

Just curious, any Keefe fans here or anyone think Keefe is actually a really good coach and just under lucky

I believe every one of his most ardent defenders don't give a toss about Keefe now that his tether to the former GM has been severed.