The arrogance of our GM to promote his buddy, without interviewing a single other candidate, then proceed to tell all the fans said coach will become a legend, is astounding.
Sheldon Keefe Discussion Thread
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thewave
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It's really just history repeating itself.
Burke kept his buddy here even though they had different ideas in mind for what the team would be. Burke said we would be a punishing grinder team and Wilson wanted run and gun. They kept doing half and half and it was a flop. The upper level guys like TPP and Bell and Rogers and Larry T. have absolutely no idea what they are or were doing. They just see the cash cow and that's good enough.
Simply put.. If Stavros or someone like him were the owner of the Leafs, there would be no Dubas and no Keefe right now. I assure you that 100%
CantLoseWithMatthews
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No doubt he'd be gone. Too many weak efforts and players dont know where they are sometimes.Keefe is lucky Lamoriello isn't his boss.
He'd likely be his ex-boss before the playoffs began.
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Maybe a 4 game skid would do it. Any coach off the street could get the same out of this bunch and imagine if they got more out. Cant be hard to put the right players in the right positions and add some motivation.
So inevitable we through up some round 1 stinkers but we dont have to.
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i'm getting on the #fireKeefe bandwagon!
He may have one of the best records for any coach's first few seasons ever, but, I cant stand his constant line juggling, and his ineptitude at evaluating and the deployment of his defensive core.
Most top lines instinctively know where everyone is on the ice because they always play together and are used to each other, and their positioning is always a known factor for everyone on each line.
The Leafs are a giveaway machine because from shift to shift nobody knows who they are playing with and where they will be on the ice.
Then there is the lack of constant effort, and the stupid drop back passes, and have one guy try to skate the puck in when everyone else is standing still, it just makes me sick, and these are all 'coach' issues.
I feel sorry for our goalies, and its hard to blame the players, because its a bloody mess out there.
He may have one of the best records for any coach's first few seasons ever, but, I cant stand his constant line juggling, and his ineptitude at evaluating and the deployment of his defensive core.
Most top lines instinctively know where everyone is on the ice because they always play together and are used to each other, and their positioning is always a known factor for everyone on each line.
The Leafs are a giveaway machine because from shift to shift nobody knows who they are playing with and where they will be on the ice.
Then there is the lack of constant effort, and the stupid drop back passes, and have one guy try to skate the puck in when everyone else is standing still, it just makes me sick, and these are all 'coach' issues.
I feel sorry for our goalies, and its hard to blame the players, because its a bloody mess out there.
SHANNYPLAN
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Bunting - Matthews - Marner
Jarnkrok - Tavares - Nylander
Kerfoot/Knies- O’Rielly - Lafferty
AstonReese/Kerf - Kampf - Acciari
McCabe - Brodie
Rielly - - Schenn
Giordano - Liljegren/Holl
That’s It. Stop playing around with it.
Jarnkrok - Tavares - Nylander
Kerfoot/Knies- O’Rielly - Lafferty
AstonReese/Kerf - Kampf - Acciari
McCabe - Brodie
Rielly - - Schenn
Giordano - Liljegren/Holl
That’s It. Stop playing around with it.
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'Stavro' was the guy that Veto'd Gretzky's Leafs contract...
and if Ballard was still alive Samsonov wouldnt have been signed either as he had a no Soviet policy. He also screwed over Keon and with his management Sittler,
Worse ownership the Leafs had was the 'teachers pension' only cared about $$ and we could have been much better while they were the owners.
He needs to put the same lineup out a few games in a row unless a injury happens he tinkers way to much
Teeder Keon
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Good points !
I have been a Keefe backer throughout his tenure , but I’ve had it now , I’m done , for all your great points and so much more .
He’s had his chances , I will assume that this upcoming playoffs is his last ? I hope if it doesn’t go well ( at least one round ) very very very least !
But one thing that aggravates me the most is his post game bull shhhhhhhht after every loss , especially ones like last night …
There’s no emotion or anger or or or anything other than the same lamé regurgitation ( like he’s a hockey analyst) responses ! They were close , one play here and there , blah blah blah
That’s his responsibility isn’t it ?
Not the mistakes , they are made by any athlete no matter what .
But the attitude and energy and their inability to respond to tough games and fight through adversity and pride and identity!
That’s on him and his staff
I believe Dubas has finally ( late ) but finally has equipped him with tough players and men, but the same results? Why ? Coaching !!!!
I’m sorry if I was management, I would be bold right now and fire him immediately, just for the shock value in hopes of waking them up and hopefully energizing the team into a winning formula.
Anyway
GLG
Sorry it's been mainly 2 goal leads they are really good at coming back from. But still, they have enough fire power to get it done and can explode when necessary
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Had Trotz not taken the Nasville job, I'd drop Keefe and bring him in Now, but, who's the next best unemployed coach, Vigneault
Internally, we could promote Greg Moore, but, that's another Rookie NHL coach and an unknown, but, he's done an insanely good job on a Marlies team, that imho isnt as stacked with talent the way Keefe's Marlies were.
other issue is the always getting down 2 goals and needing to come back.
this team should be able to dominate 90+% of teams from start to end of puck drop, with no excuses otherwise.
Keefe is a good coach but he's not the right coach for this team. Honestly they probably should have reversed the coaching, Keefe should have been the coach they had in the early years because he has good offensive systems and would allow the players to be comfortable to be who they are. A more season/veteran coach should have been hired to take this team over the hump by instilling discipline, strong systems and work ethic.
Keefe is not a great motivator in key moments and the team has never been prepared in big moments under him. It sucks but it is what it is. If we have to choose between losing Dubas or Keefe, I rather keep Dubas tbh.
CantLoseWithMatthews
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But let's be real, there are many legitimate things to criticize Keefe about. Believing he prevented the team from erasing a 3 goal deficit with a few minutes remaining because he pulled the goalie isn't a valid criticism.
They actually did come back from a similar situation down 3 goals very late in a game against Columbus, scoring all 3 goals with the goalie pulled
You don’t find 6 minutes too soon? I personally felt it was a bit early. I’m not saying it’s the main reason why they lost. The team played like garbage
Buds17
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I found the tactic to be both ridiculous and harmless. Very much a long shot that the team was going to garner at least a point out of this game.
Larcos_Unal
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Dubas and Keefe are making history alright. 7 consecutive first round exits has never been done in any sport
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But tell us more about how impressive a couple "2nd in the division" regular seasons are.
.But tell us more about how impressive a couple "2nd in the division" regular seasons are.
Dubas and Keefe are making history alright. 7 consecutive first round exits has never been done in any sport
But tell us more about how impressive a couple "2nd in the division" regular seasons are.
How dare you mock the fastest coach to 100 wins ?
X66
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I absolutely REFUSE to hate on Keefe right now.
He's one of the best coaches this franchise has ever had post expansion...
All the years we shit on Babcock for never experimenting line-ups, we're doing it on Keefe for actually trying things lol even if they aren't working.
No coach is perfect and will all have their quirks and flaws, but he's a DAMN good coach all things considered.
He's one of the best coaches this franchise has ever had post expansion...
All the years we shit on Babcock for never experimenting line-ups, we're doing it on Keefe for actually trying things lol even if they aren't working.
No coach is perfect and will all have their quirks and flaws, but he's a DAMN good coach all things considered.
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Dayjobdave
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I don't mind Keefe putting everything in the blender right now, and it clearly isn't producing results, but they may learn a few things from this. As long as they dial it back in for the playoffs, the team goes on a roll through multiple rounds, the goaltending holds together, the guys fight through checks, the scoring clicks, we get a few breaks, the calls go our way, and the city gets a champion, I'm all good.
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WTFMAN99
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It would cause so much turmoil with the woke crowd but the guy has been taking courses/classes and genuinely tried to get better as a result of what occurred.
Hard to argue the success too.
Could the star guys handle a guy like this? He's tough but fair.
Doesn't go to the extreme of Babcock either.
RE: Keefe now...I would tinker a lot of less...we're 10 games out to the playoffs, build the chemistry. It's a bummer ROR and to a much lesser extent, Knies isn't available to us but surely he has some set line combos he wants to use.
Kerfoot with 7G and no goals in over 20GP shouldn't be in the top 6.
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