Confirmed with Link: Sharks trade Eklund, Halttunen and Svoboda to Ottawa for 9th overall.

[Star Platinum]

I don't think you're very good at this trade valuation thing man

Cool story Chubbs. Remind me what first round pick we sent Vancouver for Sherwood.

 

[Hodge]

Cool story Chubbs. Remind me what first round pick we sent Vancouver for Sherwood.

Lol taking a victory lap over that one because we sent them two 2nds instead of the Oilers 1st?

 

[Star Platinum]

Lol taking a victory lap over that one because we sent them two 2nds instead of the Oilers 1st?

You mean the Oilers 1st that got us a veteran right-handed defenseman virtually for free?

 

[OrrNumber4]

Wait, didnt you just argue the opposite with Eklund? Byram was a 4OA

It's about asset management, not value.

 

[mogambomoroo]

I think this trade only looks bad if they don't make a major move for defence. Eklund was a player they knew, he meshed with the players, wanted to be a Shark and was ready to work. Sharks have the ammo to push for D but defence is clearly very expensive right now because no one really has to let go of their top guys. Dallas/Harley could be a possibility, but if they get an offer they can't refuse on Robertson it's another miss.
Also Stenberg is a piece that could wow us with this talent, but could be demanding a very big paycheck (Robertson style) when Sharks finally solidify their core.

 

[spintops]

I don't think you're very good at this trade valuation thing man

#11 for Puljujarvi lmao

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[matt trick]

Reid threats after 2: NYR, Seattle

I think CGY, WPG, and VAN will all want be somewhat hesitant to add an American prospect, particularly a d-man. They take a while to contribute, and by the time they do, will they want to stay?

CGY has Parekh, Nemec, and Bru among their most valued top assets, and zero long-term centers. A C, W, or LD seems more likely. Similar for Van with Buium and Willander, but no tentpole forwards. Reid would be a fit in WPG, but with a potential loss of Helly wanting to go to the US, that may be a concern.

I expect Buff will move 4 for a now piece, but if not a 1C seems the most likely. Bjork fits their mold, but I think they'll try to acquire every top roster C first. A 1C (and a franchise G) are the only positions that they need reinforcements in, and they seem well positioned at RD with Strbak, Kleber, and Mrtka to join Dahlin and Crevier.

If Buff moves Knies for 4OA- which I think Chicago would have preferred, so guessing it's not on the table- got to think Toronto would take Reid.

Seattle seems like the team to jump if he's not selected by 5. However, it's entirely possible they prefer someone else.

 

[STL Shark]

Find another Dickinson? Dickinson hasn't done anything yet. I'd take Byram over him immediately. While I think Dickinson can still develop into a good D-man and maaaaybe even.a solid number 2-3 I think this season lowered his value, not increased.

That being said I do think Chicago significantly overpaid for Byram. 4th overall, a 2nd and a decent d-man for him is crazy to me.

You'd be furious to see Byram's D+2 season then. I like Byram a lot and wanted him in SJ, but I don't think he's a level that Dickinson can't touch or exceed. Maybe he bursts out into a true #1 with PP1 time in Chicago, but I think Dickinson's projection is very much at the Byram level with size to be better. Would call it a true 50/50 at this point at worst for Dickinson.

 

[tiburon12]

It's about asset management, not value.

How can one separate the two when it comes to hockey trades? I'm not following.

 

[mogambomoroo]

I think this trade only looks bad if they don't make a major move for defence. Eklund was a player they knew, he meshed with the players, wanted to be a Shark and was ready to work. Sharks have the ammo to push for D but defence is clearly very expensive right now because no one really has to let go of their top guys. Dallas/Harley could be a possibility, but if they get an offer they can't refuse on Robertson it's another miss.
Also Stenberg is a piece that could wow us with this talent, but could be demanding a very big paycheck (Robertson style) when Sharks finally solidify their core.

This move is a clear 'one step back - two steps forward' but did MG trust Byram to be that two step forward move or is there something else in his sleeve. He has been transparent on being on both Raddysh and Byram, so he has shown his cards looking for top 4 D help now.

I think Chicago did this move to outbid the Sharks not necessary because it was their biggest need, but they took away Byram from the Sharks that would've gotten both Stenberg and Byram in one draft which would've taken them to a whole another level next year and Chicago was probably bitter to not get that 2nd overall deal done.

It's gonna interesting couple of days, that's for damn sure.

 

[matt trick]

This move is a clear 'one step back - two steps forward' but did MG trust Byram to be that two step forward move or is there something else in his sleeve. He has been transparent on being on both Raddysh and Byram, so he has shown his cards looking for top 4 D help now.

I think Chicago did this move to outbid the Sharks not necessary because it was their biggest need, but they took away Byram from the Sharks that would've gotten both Stenberg and Byram in one draft which would've taken them to a whole another level next year and Chicago was probably bitter to not get that 2nd overall deal done.

It's gonna interesting couple of days, that's for damn sure.

Clearly he wanted Byram. 9th+27th+(Musty?) is a haul (though less than Chicago's offer!), though I obviously was game to do Eklund+27 for Byram if he came with a $11M extension.

Regardless of a Byram trade, I think this is still a good move, as it gives us an opportunity to rebalance the core.

Stenberg may not end up being as good as Eklund, however, he has significantly higher upside. I think Ek was going to end up as our 5th or 6th best forward, Stenberg likely third or fourth. Our potential increases with that maneuever. Meanwhile, while I am a huge Reid supporter, I have to admit, I've forecasted that any of him, Carels, Verhoeff, or Smits could end up the best piece. Rudolph could as well, as he has Bouchard-type upside, I just not sure his scoring dominance translates to an NHL level.

At 8, I think we have about a 40% chance to get one of the two best d-men of that group. I'm less high on Rudolph, so at 9, I feel like it's more like a 25-30% chance.

Chance of Being Top 2:
*Reid- 50%
*Carels- 50%
*Verhoeff- 40%
*Smits- 35%
*Rudolph- 25%

Obviously, these numbers are illustrative not analytical, but it gives some context to how I feel it could shake out.

 

[LilLeeroy]

Anybody who doesn’t realize the “After McKenna it is a similar tier of players so it makes sense to go for positional need” was complete bs after yesterday is completely coping.

The Hawks were desperately trying to trade up to 2 yesterday for Stenberg, and when that didn’t work they didn’t really care about keeping their pick any more.

 

[zombie kopitar]

So now that I've slept on it; GMMG getting Blackhawks gm to have a nervous breakdown from this trade was the real masterclass here

 

[Shark Finn]

The more I think of this trade, the less I like it. The 9th overall was in play for Byram and it fell through. What now? This trade sets the team back unless the pick is packaged for an established player.. but who?

 

[Patty Ice]

So now that I've slept on it; GMMG getting Blackhawks gm to have a nervous breakdown from this trade was the real masterclass here

I just wish there was a live Hawks podcast of what went down yesterday.

 

[sampler]

It's obvious that Grier has more to come. I still wonder if grier is trying to find a way to fill the NHL D and land Reid.

If Buffalo is interested in a C, then they could very likely get Lawrence or Bjork at 9, though I expect they want an NHL ready piece right now. I think the Rangers take Reid if he's there at 5, but they too could be open to trade back as they kinda need everything. I could see 27+Bystedt as an intriguing option for either Buf or NYR to swap with the sharks at 9. The difference between 4/5 and 9 appears to to be approximately #27 or possibly a bit more (Bystedt).

However, such a trade means that UFA becomes the only way to fill the current D as the sharks would be left with pretty much no more draft capital (well, maybe Spence for col 2nd and a 4th). With 46M in cap space this year and 86M next year and over 100 the next year, Grier can do anything.

What a ridiculous cap structure he's created for next year:
Can you remember a time when a team has 5 of its top 6F and one of its top D all on ELCs at the same time?

Celebrini, Smith, Stenberg, Misa, Chernyshov, Dickinson (and Cagnoni).

Thats like half your impact roster at less than 1M each... Insane. Even next year, they will still have Misa, Stenberg, Chernyshov, and Dickinson at under 1M per.

 

[sampler]

I thought Grier would avoid Rielly or Nurse, but now I'm really not sure. Both those guys can be gotten for virtually free as cap dumps. In fact, both might come with assets attached to avoid retention. But, given the D situation, grier needs to find warm bodies back there.

If the #9 is gunna be used to draft a D. I just dont see appealing options for grier. I also cnnot imagine him sitting on 25-30M in unused cap space when he wants to finally turn the corner.

 

[mogambomoroo]

Honestly 9th overall is gotta be ammo for one of Harley, Hronek, Broberg, Dunn, even Willander+ at this point. Could go the Rielly route, but I could see him being aggressive like he looked like towards Byram.

 

[tahoesharksfan]

The thot plickens....

 

[matt trick]

The thot plickens....

Has something else happened lol

 

[sampler]

Honestly 9th overall is gotta be ammo for one of Harley, Hronek, Broberg, Dunn, even Willander+ at this point. Could go the Rielly route, but I could see him being aggressive like he looked like towards Byram.

Hronek remains the most obvious target. I would be thrilled with Harley or Broberg too. No thanks on Dunn and trading willander makes no sense for Van as he is part of the future there.

Would not be shocked to see Grier try to turn #9 into a U28 NHL D. 9, 27, Bytsedt would certianly have to be an appealing offer for vancouver if they can get Hronek to waive.

 

[sampler]

The thot plickens....

is this the "western team" trade list for Rielly?

 

[sampler]

Rielly really isnt the guy i'd want. Hell be 36 at the end of the deal. hes poor defensively. I suppose at 4x7.5, the downside isn't that big.

If grier grabs him, it better not be for anything of real value. Somehow, I feel like someone (ana?) will actually pony up for him as a replacement for carlsson and trouba.

 

[sampler]

Rielly strikes me kinda like a slightly improved version of Klingberg at this point.

 

[one2gamble]

Rielly strikes me kinda like a slightly improved version of Klingberg at this point.

are we sure he's improved