Confirmed with Link: Sharks trade Eklund, Halttunen and Svoboda to Ottawa for 9th overall.

[Tw1ster]

So, what are people thinking Buffalo is going to be picking at fourth.?

 

[LinkGaetz23]

Also objectively hilarious the Hawks reached for Levshunov, he looks awful and now are overpaying for Byram as a result. This is great.

 

[Nolan the Way]

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That boats well for Verhoff

Edit : at 9th

 

[Jetskiis]

As a sabres fan I would like to thank Sabre Alumni Mike Grier for trading up to 9, and making the Hawks to gift us #4. Thank you thank you.

Viggo Bjorck will be a Sabres Center next season.

 

[OrrNumber4]

How is keeping the 9th overall pick and drafting a defenseman who may never be as good as Byram, and will take minimum 3 probably 5 years to even establish himself in the NHL, better for the Sharks?

Because that #9 pick has a chance at being better than Byram. The Sharks are not in a position where they have to get help now. I'd rather put faith in the coaching staff to find another Dickinson.

Not to mention that Byram's contract demands and injury history are worrisome.

 

[Hodge]

Because that #9 pick has a chance at being better than Byram.

Like a 1% chance

The Sharks are not in a position where they have to get help now.

Maybe not in a position where they have to get help right this very instant but it needs to happen soon or else Celebrini has no incentive to stick around

I'd rather put faith in the coaching staff to find another Dickinson.

Do you think Dickinson is better than Byram?

Not to mention that Byram's contract demands and injury history are worrisome.

Even if you're lucky enough to draft someone who hits at 9OA their post-ELC contract demands will be just as high as Byram's.

Concussion history, sure I'll give you that but Byram has managed to stay completely healthy for two seasons now.

Anyway Grier clearly disagrees with you because according to this he offered more than just 9OA for Byram:

 

[Grinner]

Stenberg = Super Saiyan Eklund

Now we just have to wait and see if his hair is blond or blue

 

[Sharksfan66]

It might not feel like it right now, but today was a good day, Sharks fans.

On both this trade front and on us not getting stuck with a soft, one dimensional dman who wants to be paid like a #1. That Chicago paid #4 overall for him is just bonus on an already good day for our team.

 

[jfc64]

Is this a championship team this season?

Igor Chernyshov - Macklin Celebrini - Will Smith
Ivar Stenberg - Michael Misa - Tyler Toffoli
Barclay Goodrow - Alexander Wennberg - Kiefer Sherwood
Philipp Kurashev - Adam Gaudette - Collin Graf
Zack Ostapchuk - Filip Bystedt - Ty Dellandrea

Dmitri Orlov - John Klingberg / Erik Karlsson
Sam Dickinson - Brent Burns
Shakir Mukhamadullin - Michael Kesselring
Malte Gustafsson - Mattias Hävelid

Yaroslav Askarov
Alex Nedeljkovic

 

[Sharkz4Fun]

Anyway Grier clearly disagrees with you because according to this he offered more than just 9OA for Byram:

Thank goodness there is at least one GM worse than Grier. That deal and then signing him for 8 yrs at 11+ wouldve been f***ing atrocious

Grier does better when he has no ammo. Just need Schneider to get moved anywhere else now before Grier trades #9 for him straight up

 

[Sharksfan66]

Do you think Dickinson is better than Byram?

I think Dickinson will be far more of a contributing factor to a cup contender each spring than Byram has shown himself to be. And I have to imagine that, deep down, you think so too, no?

Even if you're lucky enough to draft someone who hits at 9OA their post-ELC contract demands will be just as high as Byram's.

Depends on who we get at 9. If we get Verhoeff at 9, see my prior comment on Dickinson. If it's Rudolph and he really hits, I think that's basically a wash, no? Smits is the real wild card and probably the most likely to fall.

Anyway Grier clearly disagrees with you because according to this he offered more than just 9OA for Byram:

Is that person legit? If so, I'm glad to see Grier is being aggressive. Also glad to see he drew a line and wasn't going to pay 2 overall or something crazy like that. Time to move on to the next target.

 

[tiburon12]

Because that #9 pick has a chance at being better than Byram. The Sharks are not in a position where they have to get help now. I'd rather put faith in the coaching staff to find another Dickinson.

Not to mention that Byram's contract demands and injury history are worrisome.

Wait, didnt you just argue the opposite with Eklund? Byram was a 4OA

Sharks trade a guy drafted 7th, who has developed well, for the 9th overall in a weaker draft. They throw in two nice assets on top of it. Ridiculous.

 

[OrrNumber4]

Like a 1% chance

How do you come to that?

Maybe not in a position where they have to get help right this very instant but it needs to happen soon or else Celebrini has no incentive to stick around

I don't want to rush the rebuild, as tempting as it is. More than that, I want to avoid a bad option, which I think Byram is.

Do you think Dickinson is better than Byram?

I think Dickinson is trending to be a #2-3 defenseman like Byram, except that he is younger, healthier, and cheaper.

Even if you're lucky enough to draft someone who hits at 9OA their post-ELC contract demands will be just as high as Byram's.

Maybe. It is reported that Byram wants 13 million, which seems crazy to me. He has not earned it yet.

Anyway Grier clearly disagrees with you because according to this he offered more than just 9OA for Byram:

Grier is probably feeling that pressure...

 

[Lebanezer]

Is that person legit? If so, I'm glad to see Grier is being aggressive. Also glad to see he drew a line and wasn't going to pay 2 overall or something crazy like that. Time to move on to the next target.

BucciOT is John Buccigross from ESPN.

 

[ChompChomp]

Just need Schneider to get moved anywhere else now before Grier trades #9 for him straight up

Schneider for 9OA would be crazy to me, but I don't think Schneider for 27OA straight up is all that crazy.

 

[Grinner]

Schneider for 9OA would be crazy to me, but I don't think Schneider for 27OA straight up is all that crazy.

Just half baked

 

[ChompChomp]

Just half baked

Good call. 9, 27, 127 for 5 and Schneider. Which of Grier or Drury says no?

 

[Grinner]

Good call. 9, 27, 127 for 5 and Schneider. Which of Grier or Drury says no?

Um... No
Why are you so hot to trade for a 3rd pairing Dman?
Never mind. I read that wrong.

 

[Hodge]

I think Dickinson will be far more of a contributing factor to a cup contender each spring than Byram has shown himself to be. And I have to imagine that, deep down, you think so too, no?


Depends on who we get at 9. If we get Verhoeff at 9, see my prior comment on Dickinson. If it's Rudolph and he really hits, I think that's basically a wash, no? Smits is the real wild card and probably the most likely to fall.

Maybe Dickinson or Verhoeff (who's not dropping to 9th btw) will be better than Byram but there's a really good chance they won't be.

Acquiring Byram for 9OA+ would eliminate all the downside risk of the latter occurring. He's also still just 25 years old.

How do you come to that?

Byram was a 4OA pick himself who had a better draft year profile than any of the prospects in this class and he largely delivered on that potential. You're taking a massive risk betting on one of these guys to be better than him and you probably won't know if it pays off for another 3-5 years or longer.

I don't want to rush the rebuild, as tempting as it is. More than that, I want to avoid a bad option, which I think Byram is.

Acquiring a 25 year old is not rushing the rebuild. How are you not more concerned about simply collecting prospects who never pan out?

I think Dickinson is trending to be a #2-3 defenseman like Byram, except that he is younger, healthier, and cheaper.

The key word being trending. He could easily stagnate in his development and never reach that level, as could whoever we draft 9OA if we keep the pick. Any of these players could easily develop chronic injuries too. And if they actually do show promise on their ELCs you can bet they will be just as expensive as Byram afterward.

 

[Mr Fahrenheit]

Guessing after the Nemec trade Grier sees Calgary taking a center and a top defense he likes falling just as Dickinson did

 

[Sharksrule04]

Because that #9 pick has a chance at being better than Byram. The Sharks are not in a position where they have to get help now. I'd rather put faith in the coaching staff to find another Dickinson.

Not to mention that Byram's contract demands and injury history are worrisome.

Find another Dickinson? Dickinson hasn't done anything yet. I'd take Byram over him immediately. While I think Dickinson can still develop into a good D-man and maaaaybe even.a solid number 2-3 I think this season lowered his value, not increased.

That being said I do think Chicago significantly overpaid for Byram. 4th overall, a 2nd and a decent d-man for him is crazy to me.

 

[Zarzh]

Guessing after the Nemec trade Grier sees Calgary taking a center and a top defense he likes falling just as Dickinson did

Well you kind of need someone to like Rudolph or Cullen for that to happen.

I guess Calgary could trade down if it's 4 forwards and a defenseman in the top 5.

 

[Jargon]

I’m still fairly positive 9/27 are getting traded and I keep going back to it being for Hronek.

 

[Sharksfan66]

Maybe Dickinson or Verhoeff (who's not dropping to 9th btw) will be better than Byram but there's a really good chance they won't be.

Acquiring Byram for 9OA+ would eliminate all the downside risk of the latter occurring. He's also still just 25 years old.

Never thought I'd be the one telling you that size and physicality wins over soft, one dimensional offensemen in the playoffs, but I guess here we are...

IMO Dickinson doesn't even need to hit his ceiling to be a more valuable contributor to a championship team than Byram.

Byram was a 4OA pick himself who had a better draft year profile than any of the prospects in this class and he largely delivered on that potential. You're taking a massive risk betting on one of these guys to be better than him and you probably won't know if it pays off for another 3-5 years or longer.

I can't remember who started saying it on here, but I like the idea I've seen around here recently that your draft spot becomes meaningless the second you are drafted. Who cares that he went at 4 his draft year? Kotkaniemi went at 3 in his draft year. Are you going to tell me he'd get a better return today than Brady Tkachuk (#4 that year) just got?

I’m still fairly positive 9/27 are getting traded and I keep going back to it being for Hronek.

If Grier would actually give Cags a chance at a Ghost-like role on this team, I'd be down for it. But I have a feeling if we go this route, we end up trading some prospect that has fallen out of favor for Reilly and I don't like that idea at all.

That said, I could totally see Grier doing this trade. Wonder how Vancouver fans would feel about tit.

 

[LilLeeroy]

I’m not saying to draft him because of his value if you trade him. I’m saying the extremely high value of mediocre defensemen mitigates the risk of Reid not panning out, which makes him more valuable than Stenberg.

No because the trade (and Grier offering 9+27 for him) only happened because teams don’t see much value in this draft class after Stenberg.

Scott Wheeler said that he heard Buffalo is going to shopping the 4th pick for some immediate help.

There is a reason why Grier said 2 has been the most asked about draft pick during his tenure while teams are throwing around 1sts, even very high ones, like candy.