Sharks Roster Discussion Part V

[Mattb124]

This seems fairly passive-aggressive. What people thought Schlemko did last year?

Passive? I thought it was pretty direct.

Demers was the last Sharks bottom pairing D-man who really dominated against weak competition in terms of scoring lots and getting scored against little.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Passive? I thought it was pretty direct.

Demers was the last Sharks bottom pairing D-man who really dominated against weak competition in terms of scoring lots and getting scored against little.

It wasn't. I got what I needed from this response.

Thank you.

 

[Lebanezer]

On July 1st there are many contract offers on the table for both Jumbo and Patty. If DW is not going to give them contract offers before July 1st or more desirable contract offers if they have turned down earlier offers it is almost guaranteed that they will sign somewhere else. On July 1st they are not going to wait if DW is going to give them better offer later and risking that other teams could draw back their offers.

So we definitely should not wait until Jones or Vlasic extensions.

I wouldn't be surprised if Joe and Patty would like to see what Doug is going to do to improve the team before they re-sign. They both might wait until after July 1st just to get a good idea whether or not the team can really compete. If no major moves are made I could see Patty walking more than Thornton.

 

[KirbyDots]

Fake.

 

[Vaasa]

They've already signed people who weren't priority contracts ahead of Jones and Vlasic. Why would you hold off on signing guys especially those who become UFA on July 1 for guys who can't sign until July 1? That makes no damn sense.

Because the Jones and Vlasic contracts will have an impact on what they can afford to sign Marleau and JT for. Karlsson's contract isn't going to matter in that area.

Also, presumably DW is looking to make moves for other folks who may need contracts (Galynchuk, etc) and he needs to leave cap space open for those moves. I love both Marleau and JT, but unless they are signing $2 mil contract, they can wait. The Sharks don't need to have them signed by July 1st. If they want to stick around and DW is clear with on what the delay is, they can still work out general deals and just not sign until the Sharks near-future cap situation is much clearer.

And as I said, if they choose to leave to pursue a Cup elsewhere, more power to them. The Sharks won't be real contenders for the foreseeable future and I want both to win a Cup. So that's probably going have to happen elsewhere anyway.

 

[Levie]

So is it a foregone conclusion that Draisaitl is going to get offer sheeted for crazy money to Handcuff the Oilers with McDavid?

Do you think he'd sign an offer sheet?

 

[Used As A Shield]

How do those fake tweets even show up for people? Do they have fake accounts people follow unintentionally months in advance? I would assume people follow the "insiders" and never see the fakes, but that apparently doesn't happen? For the record, I do not really use social media, I abhor it in most cases.

 

[KirbyDots]

http://www.tsn.ca/tsn-hockey-s-trade-bait-1.203546

TSN's trade bait list. Not many names of interest this year. That coupled with slim pickens in ufa might like to some high prices.

 

[Lebanezer]

So is it a foregone conclusion that Draisaitl is going to get offer sheeted for crazy money to Handcuff the Oilers with McDavid?

Do you think he'd sign an offer sheet?

I bet Vegas throws a huge offer at him. They need some top line players and signing him to a 5 year deal worth around 10 a season isn't a bad way to jump start things.

 

[Juxtaposer]

So is it a foregone conclusion that Draisaitl is going to get offer sheeted for crazy money to Handcuff the Oilers with McDavid?

Do you think he'd sign an offer sheet?

I doubt it, but if you offer him huge money over short term, I'd think he has to take it. Keeps the functional AAV low enough to preclude the compensation from being four 1sts.

The cut-off for the two 1sts, 2nd, and 3rd compensation is a little over $9.8M. Draisaitl is a UFA in four years; if you offer him a four year deal for $49M, giving him a $12.25M AAV and leaving him a UFA at the end of the contract, you have to think that Draisaitl thinks about taking it and Edmonton thinks about not matching, right?

 

[KirbyDots]

Because the Jones and Vlasic contracts will have an impact on what they can afford to sign Marleau and JT for. Karlsson's contract isn't going to matter in that area.

Also, presumably DW is looking to make moves for other folks who may need contracts (Galynchuk, etc) and he needs to leave cap space open for those moves. I love both Marleau and JT, but unless they are signing $2 mil contract, they can wait. The Sharks don't need to have them signed by July 1st. If they want to stick around and DW is clear with on what the delay is, they can still work out general deals and just not sign until the Sharks near-future cap situation is much clearer.

And as I said, if they choose to leave to pursue a Cup elsewhere, more power to them. The Sharks won't be real contenders for the foreseeable future and I want both to win a Cup. So that's probably going have to happen elsewhere anyway.

NHL GMs are way to conservative to take that approach. That and it isn't in JT and Patty's financial/personal interest to wait til the last moment to sign. Plus if we don't at the very least sign one of them we would most likely not be in a position to compete anyway. I'm sure DW has had discussions with them about the team's direction. I understand your team philosophy Vaasa, but I don't think you're being realistic.

 

[Juxtaposer]

Stepping into the world of insanity, I have another hilariously unrealistic stealth tank idea.

Vlasic seems to really want to go to the Olympics next year. He has one year left on his contract. Let's say he wanted to go badly enough to forgo an NHL season. Let's say the league voids his contract because of it. But let's say that DW and Vlasic have a handshake agreement that he'll sign with the Sharks again after the Olympics for the 2018-2019 season. Vlasic misses next season, which helps us tank, but comes right back after to help us contend again.

I can't get this crap out of my head.

 

[Jwec]

Stepping into the world of insanity, I have another hilariously unrealistic stealth tank idea.

Vlasic seems to really want to go to the Olympics next year. He has one year left on his contract. Let's say he wanted to go badly enough to forgo an NHL season. Let's say the league voids his contract because of it. But let's say that DW and Vlasic have a handshake agreement that he'll sign with the Sharks again after the Olympics for the 2018-2019 season. Vlasic misses next season, which helps us tank, but comes right back after to help us contend again.

I can't get this crap out of my head.

Yeah, I think you are bit too excited about the idea of a stealth tank

But honestly I think stealth tank is almost impossible to do. If we suck enough to get high pick it is very very likely that year after that team still sucks so it is either full rebuild, go for the cup or be mediocre.

 

[Vaasa]

NHL GMs are way to conservative to take that approach. That and it isn't in JT and Patty's financial/personal interest to wait til the last moment to sign. Plus if we don't at the very least sign one of them we would most likely not be in a position to compete anyway. I'm sure DW has had discussions with them about the team's direction. I understand your team philosophy Vaasa, but I don't think you're being realistic.

I didn't say I expect them to stick around, I said that's the priority DW should be taking. If they think it's not in their best interest to wait, then they leave. And that's fine with me. Even with JT and Patty this team is not going to be a serious Cup contender for a while unless they pull 1 or 2 more JT-level robberies for near-JT-level players. And I doubt that happens. So why should they stick around on a sinking team unless they choose to do so for sentimental reasons (which by the way, I am also fine with. See Doan as an example of that).

 

[Juxtaposer]

Yeah, I think you are bit too excited about the idea of a stealth tank

But honestly I think stealth tank is almost impossible to do. If we suck enough to get high pick it is very very likely that year after that team still sucks so it is either full rebuild, go for the cup or be mediocre.

I am too excited, but I disagree with you that it wouldn't work.

 

[Anomie2029]

http://www.tsn.ca/tsn-hockey-s-trade-bait-1.203546

TSN's trade bait list. Not many names of interest this year. That coupled with slim pickens in ufa might like to some high prices.

Really very little on offer. Only names I'm interested in is Galch, Duchene, or Kane. I'd love to give Kane a go to bring a genuine goalscorer into the team.

 

[T0uGh C0oki3]

Really very little on offer. Only names I'm interested in is Galch, Duchene, or Kane. I'd love to give Kane a go to bring a genuine goalscorer into the team.

Evander Kane has an attitude issue, DW wouldn't touch him with a 10-foot pole.

 

[Anomie2029]

Evander Kane has an attitude issue, DW wouldn't touch him with a 10-foot pole.

Oh I know. More a pipe dream for a young goalscorer than a realistic expectation.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Because the Jones and Vlasic contracts will have an impact on what they can afford to sign Marleau and JT for. Karlsson's contract isn't going to matter in that area.

Also, presumably DW is looking to make moves for other folks who may need contracts (Galynchuk, etc) and he needs to leave cap space open for those moves. I love both Marleau and JT, but unless they are signing $2 mil contract, they can wait. The Sharks don't need to have them signed by July 1st. If they want to stick around and DW is clear with on what the delay is, they can still work out general deals and just not sign until the Sharks near-future cap situation is much clearer.

And as I said, if they choose to leave to pursue a Cup elsewhere, more power to them. The Sharks won't be real contenders for the foreseeable future and I want both to win a Cup. So that's probably going have to happen elsewhere anyway.

The Jones and Vlasic contracts will not in any real way impact Thornton and Marleau's contracts and vice-versa. They have plenty of room to afford all of them quite easily. And he has more than enough flexibility to make moves if he so chooses. This concern for cap space is unwarranted. You're nowhere near reasonable talking about a 2 mil contract or they can wait. That is just absurd.

 

[Barrie22]

Evander Kane has an attitude issue, DW wouldn't touch him with a 10-foot pole.

And he has talent and wilson and the scouts don't know what that word means.

 

[Sysreq]

Roster as of today:

LW1 - C1 - Pavelski
LW2 - Couture - Donskoi
Boedker - Hertl - Hansen
Ward - Tierney - Karlsson

Without Marleau and Jumbo, we need 3-top 6 players. Arguably more if Donskoi doesn't bounce back. Timo and Labanc may let you play Ward, Boedker, Hansen, Karlsson in the top-6 but that's sub-optimum. There is simply no way one of them doesn't come back and even then we would still need a MAJOR trade to replace the other.

We scored 219 goals last season, and where in the bottom half of the league in terms of offense. Jumbo and Marleau are conservatively 30GFs a piece, while we would want to add another 10-20 irregardless.

Tldr: Doug Wilson better get off his ass if we are going to add 80 goals to this roster without Jumbo and Patty.

 

[SactoShark]

We scored 219 goals last season, and where in the bottom half of the league in terms of offense. Jumbo and Marleau are conservatively 30GFs a piece, while we would want to add another 10-20 irregardless.

Now that's a word I haven't heard in a long, long time.

 

[Sysreq]

Now that's a word I haven't heard in a long, long time.

I also write my 7's like this:

 

[weastern bias]

You seem to have personal issues you need to work out.

Yadayadayada personal attack no content post

Lirl. This is way funnier to me than anyone else.

Whatever dude, I know where you at

 

[Sysreq]

Karlsson - Couture - Pavelski
Ward - Hertl - Donskoi
Boedker - Tierney - Hansen
Timo - Carpenter - Labanc

Roster without Jumbo and Marleau.
#Tank'enForDahlén