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Speculation: Sharks Roster Discussion Part 2

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Mattb124

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Vaasa said:
I would love to see Ward gone, and Wingels as 13th forward or gone (both for cap space to bring up some youngsters and to hopefully make a move).

If Goldobin can come up and play effectively on the RW of either the Couture or Hertl lines, that would be perfect. And as a playmaking RW he should fit with those goal-scorers.

I would then like to get a skilled young guy with at least a bit of experience to play with Hertl on the LW in the line-up below. Tatar maybe, or someone like him. Young, but with some experience, expiring contract but RFA, and even better if he might work well with Hertl (Tatar is Slovak while Hertl is Czech, but I would hope that at least speaks the others language).

But if that doesn't work out I wouldn't mind trying Karrlson as 3LW and trying Goodrow at 4RW before the TDL to see how things work. Since Goodrow has shown a bit more offense, has some NHL experience, and might supply that "toughness" that DeBoer seems to love in Haley. Or even possibly put O'Regan on that 4th line as RW/C with Tierney at either C or wing.

But I really want to see this team by 4 lines deep with some offensive skill on all 4 lines and not too many offensive black-holes or defensive trainwrecks.

So the lineup would look very roughly like this:

Marleau-Thornton-Pavelski
Labanc-Couture-Donskoi
(Tatar)??-Hertl-Goldobin
Boedker-Tierney-Karlsson / Goodrow / O'Regan

Wingels (possibly traded)
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I'll never understand the dislike of Ward. He hasn't been great by his standards so far this season but remains 5th in points for forwards, 7th in ppg for forwards, PK's, can take face-offs, is good defensively - and is a proven playoff performer. This is an example of where I think folks grossly mis-value players, especially suggesting players like Lebanc and Goldobin be on the roster instead of him. I doubt either get iced during the playoffs if we stay healthy.

Hertl - Thornton - Pavelski
Boedker/Ward - Couture - Donskoi
Boedker/Ward - Marleau - Meier
Wingels - Tierney - Karlsson

Folks pooh pooh Hertl on the top line, but in practice (as opposed to on the internet) that is what coach ran to help get us to the SCF. I'll stick with that.
 
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Mattb124 said:
I'll never understand the dislike of Ward. He hasn't been great by his standards so far this season but remains 5th in points for forwards, 7th in ppg for forwards, PK's, can take face-offs, is good defensively - and is a proven playoff performer. This is an example of where I think folks grossly mis-value players, especially suggesting players like Lebanc and Goldobin be on the roster instead of him. I doubt either get iced during the playoffs if we stay healthy.

Hertl - Thornton - Pavelski
Boedker/Ward - Couture - Donskoi
Boedker/Ward - Marleau - Meier
Wingels - Tierney - Karlsson

Folks pooh pooh Hertl on the top line, but in practice (as opposed to on the internet) that is what coach ran to help get us to the SCF. I'll stick with that.
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Vaasa vastly prefers young, Sharks-drafted/trained players to outside players. He's never really warmed up to Thornton, really.
 
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Fistfullofbeer said:
Do you guys expect that the expansion draft lowers the cost of rentals (UFA's) this year? Or do you think it will not make a difference?
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I don't think it'll make a difference. If anything, rental costs will be higher because so few teams are truly out of it.
 
Pinkfloyd

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Vaasa said:
I would love to see Ward gone, and Wingels as 13th forward or gone (both for cap space to bring up some youngsters and to hopefully make a move).

If Goldobin can come up and play effectively on the RW of either the Couture or Hertl lines, that would be perfect. And as a playmaking RW he should fit with those goal-scorers.

I would then like to get a skilled young guy with at least a bit of experience to play with Hertl on the LW in the line-up below. Tatar maybe, or someone like him. Young, but with some experience, expiring contract but RFA, and even better if he might work well with Hertl (Tatar is Slovak while Hertl is Czech, but I would hope that at least speaks the others language).

But if that doesn't work out I wouldn't mind trying Karrlson as 3LW and trying Goodrow at 4RW before the TDL to see how things work. Since Goodrow has shown a bit more offense, has some NHL experience, and might supply that "toughness" that DeBoer seems to love in Haley. Or even possibly put O'Regan on that 4th line as RW/C with Tierney at either C or wing.

But I really want to see this team by 4 lines deep with some offensive skill on all 4 lines and not too many offensive black-holes or defensive trainwrecks.

So the lineup would look very roughly like this:

Marleau-Thornton-Pavelski
Labanc-Couture-Donskoi
(Tatar)??-Hertl-Goldobin
Boedker-Tierney-Karlsson / Goodrow / O'Regan

Wingels (possibly traded)
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My lineup is mostly just what to do this season...at least for a little while. I don't think Ward and Wingels will be on the team next year. Wingels I'm a little more certain of than Ward. Goodrow is likely his replacement. I'm a huge Goldobin fan and I believe he has and had earned an opportunity to play in the NHL but they aren't going that route. I don't think it'll happen this season since they've brought guys like Carpenter and O'Regan and Goodrow ahead of him. Hell, even Labanc and Meier at the times of their call-ups were being put ahead of him and in my mind more to do with skill sets complimenting the lineup that they had at the time over purely merit-based.

Sharks don't really need to trade for anyone right now unless Hertl's injury becomes more serious or someone else goes down for a lengthy period of time.

I think that the off-season will be a pretty fluid time because Wingels probably walks. Someone is gone to the expansion draft and it could be Ward. If Ward has a poor playoff run, I'd expect him to be traded if not selected in the expansion draft provided the team doesn't win the Cup. I honestly think Tim Heed is going to force their hand to move a d-man if one isn't selected in the expansion draft. Between him and Joakim Ryan, they will need to make a spot in the lineup for them. Ideally, that would mean moving Dillon and letting Heed and Ryan compete for the last spot. And whoever wins out ends up playing with Schlemko or Dillon or Martin. If Boedker doesn't have a good playoff run, he's probably gone as well. They don't necessarily need a replacement but they will have a lot of space in which to fill any of these potential openings.

We'll see. Lots of scenarios but none of it really worth discussing yet because the season isn't close to over obviously. Luckily the offense is starting to pick up recently and I hope that continues while the defense remains consistent. Then it's just a matter of getting healthy and staying healthy.
 
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ScottyDont said:
Do UFA's count towards our requirements to expose 2 forwards to the Expansion Draft?
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I don't think so but out of all the UFAs, the most inexpensive one is gonna be Haley so I think they're gonna get him to 40 games or so and re-sign him. They'll hopefully send him down since I think they like him as an AHL vet.
 
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ScottyDont said:
Do UFA's count towards our requirements to expose 2 forwards to the Expansion Draft?
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They do not. But that just means they are exposed then. Which means vegas will have 1 week before the draft to sign them, which would then be vegas pick from said team.
 
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Barrie22 said:
They do not. But that just means they are exposed then. Which means vegas will have 1 week before the draft to sign them, which would then be vegas pick from said team.
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If thats the case, the talk last page about trading Ward is a bit of a red flag. We need to expose 2 forwards, and I'm only seeing Boedker and Ward as options (Unless they do the Haley thing someone mentioned just now)
 
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ScottyDont said:
If thats the case, the talk last page about trading Ward is a bit of a red flag. We need to expose 2 forwards, and I'm only seeing Boedker and Ward as options (Unless they do the Haley thing someone mentioned just now)
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They may re-sign some players other than Haley before the expansion draft, e.g., Karlsson, Tierney.
 
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hohosaregood said:
I don't think Nieto would've done anything to fix our unexpected dearth of centers.
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No but when we move someone like Marleau to the middle, he makes it easier to replace what is lost there. For instance, in either the top or 2nd line, I'd rather have Nieto over Karlsson or Labanc given who the other two are specifically.
 
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Sysreq said:
Fingers crossed on 62 - 12 - 89 and 28 - 50 - 42. If that mid-6 can perform, maybe, we can solve the Joe's with a healthy Couture.
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Why on earth do we need to 'solve the Joe's'? They're fine with Marleau or Meier.

That middle six looks atrocious anyways. God I hope Couture will just get a ****ing flu shot.
 
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