Speculation: Sharks Roster Discussion Part 2

[landshark]

Why on earth do we need to 'solve the Joe's'? They're fine with Marleau or Meier.

That middle six looks atrocious anyways. God I hope Couture will just get a ****ing flu shot.

Aren't flu shots preventative? You get them before you get the flu so you don't get the flu? (never had one)

Not like, "oh I got the flu, lemme go get a flu shot to fix it?"

 

[rangerssharks414]

Aren't flu shots preventative? You get them before you get the flu so you don't get the flu? (never had one)

Not like, "oh I got the flu, lemme go get a flu shot to fix it?"

Yeah, that's what it is.

 

[Vaasa]

I'll never understand the dislike of Ward. He hasn't been great by his standards so far this season but remains 5th in points for forwards, 7th in ppg for forwards, PK's, can take face-offs, is good defensively - and is a proven playoff performer. This is an example of where I think folks grossly mis-value players, especially suggesting players like Lebanc and Goldobin be on the roster instead of him. I doubt either get iced during the playoffs if we stay healthy.

Hertl - Thornton - Pavelski
Boedker/Ward - Couture - Donskoi
Boedker/Ward - Marleau - Meier
Wingels - Tierney - Karlsson

Folks pooh pooh Hertl on the top line, but in practice (as opposed to on the internet) that is what coach ran to help get us to the SCF. I'll stick with that.

I don't dislike Ward at all. I just don't think he's worth the $3.25+ mil in salary cap he is taking up and that that money could be better allocated to bring up youngsters who provide more options at a lower price. Not to mention it clears cap space for Hertl to come back.

Why does every statement about a player being traded have to be taken as some sort of personal animus against the player?

 

[Vaasa]

Vaasa vastly prefers young, Sharks-drafted/trained players to outside players. He's never really warmed up to Thornton, really.

And this is why I have pulled way back from posting to this forum. I grew up a Boston fan and was a fan of Joe Thornton before I was a fan of the Sharks. It's this type of constant mis-representation of the things I have said that make me think it's not worth posting here any more.

 

[Juxtaposer]

Aren't flu shots preventative? You get them before you get the flu so you don't get the flu? (never had one)

Not like, "oh I got the flu, lemme go get a flu shot to fix it?"

Yes, this is what I mean. I think it's ridiculous that all NHLers don't get flu shots. But then again, so many didn't have mumps vaccinations.

 

[Mattb124]

I don't dislike Ward at all. I just don't think he's worth the $3.25+ mil in salary cap he is taking up and that that money could be better allocated to bring up youngsters who provide more options at a lower price. Not to mention it clears cap space for Hertl to come back.

Why does every statement about a player being traded have to be taken as some sort of personal animus against the player?

I'd cut Wingels (4th liner with less than 1/2 the production as Ward at 75% the cap hit) or Boedker (85% of the production at 125% the cap hit) before Ward. I'd get rid of Dillon before Ward as well. Dislike may be the wrong word, but at some level Ward's objective contribution is being devalued relative to other players - not sure how you care to characterize that.

Hertl was on the opening night roster, so I don't think we need to do anything in particular save for sending a couple of players down to fit him in and I do not think that hurts the team.

 

[hotcabbagesoup]

Yes, this is what I mean. I think it's ridiculous that all NHLers don't get flu shots. But then again, so many didn't have mumps vaccinations.

And to compound the issue, Logan is perpetually gloomy and never smiles during interviews. And in turn, this constant melancholy affects his immune system making him so susceptible to getting sick like this all the time.

I think we need to trade for Jamie McGinn ASAP.
He's the goal-scoring winger we've been looking for!

 

[WTFetus]

Yes, this is what I mean. I think it's ridiculous that all NHLers don't get flu shots. But then again, so many didn't have mumps vaccinations.

Pretty sure the majority did. Just waning immunity and being in close proximity to those infected can still cause it (like the outbreak in UC Berkeley a few years back).
Do we even know if Couture has the flu? Illness could mean anything, it could just be a cold considering the weather lately.

 

[CrypTic]

Pretty sure the majority did. Just waning immunity and being in close proximity to those infected can still cause it (like the outbreak in UC Berkeley a few years back).
Do we even know if Couture has the flu? Illness could mean anything, it could just be a cold considering the weather lately.

Or getting vaccinated for a different strain of flu. That's a big reason that flu vaccines aren't effective in healthy adults. Overall, IIRC they're only about 50% effective but it's higher than that for healthy adults.

 

[rangerssharks414]

Yes, this is what I mean. I think it's ridiculous that all NHLers don't get flu shots. But then again, so many didn't have mumps vaccinations.

How could I forget about the mumps?

 

[Mattb124]

You can get a flu shot and still get the flu.

 

[Juxtaposer]

Pretty sure the majority did. Just waning immunity and being in close proximity to those infected can still cause it (like the outbreak in UC Berkeley a few years back).
Do we even know if Couture has the flu? Illness could mean anything, it could just be a cold considering the weather lately.

You can get a flu shot and still get the flu.

It could be a cold, or a different flu strain, but I still think my point stands. NHLers aren't nearly as health-conscious (in terms of avoiding illness) as they should be. Remember how it took like five teams being infected with mumps before one finally realized they should label their water bottles?

How could I forget about the mumps?

There were two good things about the 2014-2015 NHL season: NHL All-Star John Scott and the mumps.

 

[DG93]

You can get a flu shot and still get the flu.

Yes, but not from the vaccine itself.

 

[Vaasa]

I'd cut Wingels (4th liner with less than 1/2 the production as Ward at 75% the cap hit) or Boedker (85% of the production at 125% the cap hit) before Ward. I'd get rid of Dillon before Ward as well. Dislike may be the wrong word, but at some level Ward's objective contribution is being devalued relative to other players - not sure how you care to characterize that.

Hertl was on the opening night roster, so I don't think we need to do anything in particular save for sending a couple of players down to fit him in and I do not think that hurts the team.

Did you not see the very first line of my posting where I said "I would love to see Ward gone, and Wingels as 13th forward or gone"? I assume Boedker won't be traded since DW just signed him. He's also 9 years younger and brings a speed element to the game that few other Sharks players have. Lastly, Dillon may be an option to move, although I would move Martin before him. But given the recent injuries on defense, the general need for defensive depth, and the upcoming expansion draft; I don't see DW moving an NHL roster defenseman this year.

So yes, Ward is a great 3rd-liner and he brings a lot to the table. I'm a fan. But he's also 36, overpaid (IMO) by about $1 million, and he's actually a good enough player that DW has a chance of trading him without having to pay another team. He might even bring something back in value if packaged with an expendable younger asset. To me, all that makes him the player to move. Feel free to disagree.

 

[Mattb124]

Did you not see the very first line of my posting where I said "I would love to see Ward gone, and Wingels as 13th forward or gone"? I assume Boedker won't be traded since DW just signed him. He's also 9 years younger and brings a speed element to the game that few other Sharks players have. Lastly, Dillon may be an option to move, although I would move Martin before him. But given the recent injuries on defense, the general need for defensive depth, and the upcoming expansion draft; I don't see DW moving an NHL roster defenseman this year.

So yes, Ward is a great 3rd-liner and he brings a lot to the table. I'm a fan. But he's also 36, overpaid (IMO) by about $1 million, and he's actually a good enough player that DW has a chance of trading him without having to pay another team. He might even bring something back in value if packaged with an expendable younger asset. To me, all that makes him the player to move. Feel free to disagree.

I'd rather spend the extra $800K and keep the guy who generated 13 points in the PO's last year than save the $800K and keep the guy with 2. We disagree.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

For me, it's tough to say anything about Ward or Wingels until we see what happens to finish this season. Wingels is maybe on the trade block as part of moving money to bring someone in like a Hanzal but both of them pretty much have something to prove this post-season regarding their ability to stay beyond this season, imo.

 

[hohosaregood]

I'd be okay with just shipping out Wingels if possible.

 

[Juxtaposer]

Ward >> Wingels IMO.

 

[Lebanezer]

Ward >> Wingels IMO.

Not enough >>>>>>>s Jux. Not nearly enough.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

I'd be okay with just shipping out Wingels if possible.

I would be too but I don't see a whole hell of a lot out there to trade for if we just limit it to rentals. I'm more inclined to not even bother with Hanzal but he's about the only thing that even looks remotely interesting for an acquisition.

 

[rangerssharks414]

Isn't Hanzal hurt a lot?

 

[hohosaregood]

Note that I'm not super into Ward either.

Wingels+Ward for Strome.

 

[rangerssharks414]

Note that I'm not super into Ward either.

Wingels+Ward for Strome.

The Islanders wouldn't do that. They're in rebuild mode.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Isn't Hanzal hurt a lot?

Yeah but as a rental, you're not terribly concerned about that as long as he's healthy when you get him. But it would behoove people to know that you shouldn't expect him to produce anything. If we get him, it's basically to make the 3rd line a shutdown line. Not something I'd personally go with but also not to expect much in way of offense either.

I think if anything, take a shot on Vrbata. He'll be interested in going to a playoff team given his contract. He's already getting 500k in bonuses for games played. He's going to get another 500k when he hits 40 points. Then there's another potential 1.25 mil in playoff bonuses but it's unknown what those are. Not sure what the asking price for Vrbata would be but he'd be perfect given the Sharks' cap situation. They wouldn't have to trade much. Pretty much any contract would fit.

 

[Juxtaposer]

Isn't Hanzal hurt a lot?

Hanzal is always hurt.

Not enough >>>>>>>s Jux. Not nearly enough.

Fair. I just didn't want to make too controversial a statement. You know how HF Boards is with '>>>>'.