Prospect Info: Sharks Prospect Info & Discussion Thread XX

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theguardianII

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Offer sheet to EP if unmatched costs the Sharks four 1st round picks. No thank you.
If EP offer sheet was done I doubt it would be the only trade.
The team would improve so the picks drop into the late teens and further the better the team goes.
Also have more than 4 years to give 4 so there is a little bit of give there.
The other question for you might be how many more years do you wait until the team improves?
The offer sheet eliminates 4 years of player development for a #1 center position getting 100+ points per season.
 

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If EP offer sheet was done I doubt it would be the only trade.
The team would improve so the picks drop into the late teens and further the better the team goes.
Also have more than 4 years to give 4 so there is a little bit of give there.
The other question for you might be how many more years do you wait until the team improves?
The offer sheet eliminates 4 years of player development for a #1 center position getting 100+ points per season.
The problem for the sharks is that the depth and cupboard is close to barren. The sharks have few depth players worth holding and only a few prospects that may make the roster. If you try to acquire EP by offer sheet with this roster, you're basically committing to building a full team through free agency almost immediately. This basically means finding at least 1D, 2D, 3D, 1LW, 1RW from other teams in the next year and a half to make it a worthwhile move. We don't have the pieces to build that from within nor the pieces to buy those especially if we're sending 4 1sts to Vancouver.
 

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The problem for the sharks is that the depth and cupboard is close to barren. The sharks have few depth players worth holding and only a few prospects that may make the roster. If you try to acquire EP by offer sheet with this roster, you're basically committing to building a full team through free agency almost immediately. This basically means finding at least 1D, 2D, 3D, 1LW, 1RW from other teams in the next year and a half to make it a worthwhile move. We don't have the pieces to build that from within nor the pieces to buy those especially if we're sending 4 1sts to Vancouver.

Yeah, exactly. Right now, we need as many lottery tickets as possible, we need to have a treasure trove of prospects. After this draft, we should get a decent haul. One more draft of having a fairly bad team, and I think we’ll be prospect-rich enough (you hope) that we can start considering trading some of those prospects to balance out anything we’re missing.

But right now, we’re hoarding.
 

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If EP offer sheet was done I doubt it would be the only trade.
The team would improve so the picks drop into the late teens and further the better the team goes.
Also have more than 4 years to give 4 so there is a little bit of give there.
The other question for you might be how many more years do you wait until the team improves?
The offer sheet eliminates 4 years of player development for a #1 center position getting 100+ points per season.
EP would improve the team but being a fringe playoff contender isn't the goal here. Sacrificing four 1st round picks for a 1C to tie up 12 mil of your cap is not an easy thing to accommodate when we're still nowhere near a legitimately rebuilt blue line, have no goalies that are looking like future starters, and have pretty significant depth issues up front. We have some forwards coming up that could one day fill in there and help the team compete but it's not going to happen overnight and it would be a bad idea to trade them for short term improvements to compete now.

Your question for how many more years do you wait until the team improves is not something that can be legitimately answered. The Sharks have been rebuilding while tearing down the old team and there's still a bit of the old team still tied up here for a while. Grier is only in his second season doing his version of this while the previous guy wasn't actually rebuilding. The young guys that this team currently believes in seemingly are only Eklund, Smith, Zetterlund, Mukhamadullin, and probably Musty. There's still a long way to go before this team has the base group needed to build around and compete. If they're lucky enough to land Celebrini, it could be a kickstart towards improving but if it's not him, it's not going to go any quicker.
 
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CaptainShark

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Which is only three picks - Mueller, Goldobin and Merkley - all of whom were drafted in a range where prospects historically have a 20-25% chance of developing into full time NHLers.

This is just how the draft works and why IMO it's a waste of time to pay attention to individual prospects drafted outside the top 10. The vast majority will never make it and nobody seems good at predicting which ones will ahead of time.

Spot on. I browsed through all the drafts since the Sharks entered the league a few days ago. I only looked at the first two rounds, cause even if a great player was picked in a later round, that doesn’t mean he should have been picked earlier as the fact that he went later than 2nd round indicates he was a late bloomer/on an unexpected development curve.

Like poker, the draft is a game of incomplete information and you can’t judge your decisions in hindsight. If you fold on the turn cause you correctly assume you are behind and the river shows your only out, that hurts, but folding was still the right move.

With those baselines, I saw a lot of Sharks picks that didn’t work out, but the picks around those picks where almost always as bad or even worse. There were a few instances (Miller was already given as an example, Timo over Miko still hurts), where they left better value on the table, but almost all of the „glaring misses“ were an result of a shallow pool at the time of the pick, not of terrible scouting.

Eg: Getting Rathje 3rd OA is pretty underwhelming, but there were very few players in the first two rounds, that - in hindsight - offered a clear better value.

What hasn’t happend in a long time is a late round lottery ticket striking gold (Nabby, Clowe, Pavs, Kipper), but that’s more about pure luck than anything…

Conclusion for me: 1st-round-picks by good teams a grossly overrated.
 

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Like poker, the draft is a game of incomplete information and you can’t judge your decisions in hindsight. If you fold on the turn cause you correctly assume you are behind and the river shows your only out, that hurts, but folding was still the right move.
Well stated, man.
 

Jts4thgoal

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Good for him, I'm not sold on him but I certainly don't begrudge his chance.
Had some pretty underwhelming D+ seasons with good London teams but he has added some grit to his game. Cuda have alot of similar players right now but good for him for getting a shot.
 

LilLeeroy

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Gauthier has been on an absolute tear since he was traded from the Flyers. Definitely was my least favorite of the BC 4 1st rounders, maybe that was just to intentionally lower his trade value though.
 
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Weird, un-Smith like game for Smith today. Got his points but not super involved in the offense today. Feels like he never gets to touch the puck when playing with Leonard and Gauthier.

But he was pretty involved defensively, won some key faceoffs, and finished a bizarrely huge number of checks. Not sure what to think, except that his best offensive shifts seemed to come when he wasn’t with Leonard and Gauthier. I’d really like to see him without another top player on his line, honestly.
 

LilLeeroy

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Unfortunately don't think Smith has any chance at the Hobey if Gauthier keeps putting up points like he has been. Always going to give it to the older guy.
 
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CaptainShark

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There’s a thread in the prospects forum about the new future watch 2024 hockey news issue and it took all of three replies for a rangers fan to complain about Smith over Perrault. Seems to really irk that fan base.

Carry on lol

Does anyone know which other Sharks made the list? Guess Musty and Muk should be locks. Just looked up last years issue, it had Eklund @12, Bystedt @27 and Bords @59.

Edit: Muk was @42, missed him at first glance cause he was a devil back then.
 
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