Prospect Info: Sharks Prospect Info & Discussion Thread XX

[Cas]

Interesting, didn't suspect them to be that high with only Musty, Mukh, Smith, and a few wildcards (Gushchin, Cagnonin, Havelid) in the prospect pool. I guess that's the nice part about having an elite prospect like Will Smith in the system.

One elite prospect is worth an awful lot of mid-grade prospects.

 

[hohosaregood]

Interesting, didn't suspect them to be that high with only Musty, Mukh, Smith, and a few wildcards (Gushchin, Cagnonin, Havelid) in the prospect pool. I guess that's the nice part about having an elite prospect like Will Smith in the system.

A bunch of the lesser prospects are having pretty good seasons too. They might not be anything but I'd say the stocks of guys like Lund, Rimashevsky, Furlong, Guryev, Wiesblatt, and Landen are higher than they were a year ago. There's a decent mix of high end talent and depth talent at the moment.

 

[Barrie22]

Interesting, didn't suspect them to be that high with only Musty, Mukh, Smith, and a few wildcards (Gushchin, Cagnonin, Havelid) in the prospect pool. I guess that's the nice part about having an elite prospect like Will Smith in the system.

Will Smith is rated as just as high or just slightly less then fantilli/Carlsson but those are apparently not counting for this list. So Smith is or very close to the top rated prospect on this list. And then you have a few of the Sharks draft picks which some fell to there eventual draft spot are having even better years then there draft years. It really is not that surprising to see them this high.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

I’m not totally sure why they HAD to trade Burns right at that moment, and not wait even a few months or til the trade deadline. But maybe Burns was like GET ME THE f*** OUT OF HEEEERE

Grier let Burns lead the way on that front. He told the vets that if they wanted out, he'd do his best to accommodate them. With Burns' contract being what it was, moving him in July was going to be much easier than moving him later in that offseason or at the deadline.

 

[Jargon]

Grier let Burns lead the way on that front. He told the vets that if they wanted out, he'd do his best to accommodate them. With Burns' contract being what it was, moving him in July was going to be much easier than moving him later in that offseason or at the deadline.

Yeah, fair enough.

 

[TheBeard]

Grier let Burns lead the way on that front. He told the vets that if they wanted out, he'd do his best to accommodate them. With Burns' contract being what it was, moving him in July was going to be much easier than moving him later in that offseason or at the deadline.

I'm genuinely curious if Carolina was to trade him what his value would be. He's only got one more year left on this deal at I believe 6 million? He's also sitting on pace for another double digit 50 point season while playng significantly less minutes than he's used to (21:00 TOI)

 

[Pinkfloyd]

I'm genuinely curious if Carolina was to trade him what his value would be. He's only got one more year left on this deal at I believe 6 million? He's also sitting on pace for another double digit 50 point season while playng significantly less minutes than he's used to (21:00 TOI)

He's sitting at 5.28 mil. Depending on when his signing bonus is paid and how many teams he's willing to go to, it could be a great deal. A team could get Burns with just the 3 mil salary minus whatever retention is attached to such a trade. A cap hit as low as 2.64 mil for a defenseman as Burns has been could be incredibly valuable and return a good amount as a rental. With the Hurricanes going for it though, I have a hard time thinking that they'd make such a move.

 

[TheBeard]

He's sitting at 5.28 mil. Depending on when his signing bonus is paid and how many teams he's willing to go to, it could be a great deal. A team could get Burns with just the 3 mil salary minus whatever retention is attached to such a trade. A cap hit as low as 2.64 mil for a defenseman as Burns has been could be incredibly valuable and return a good amount as a rental. With the Hurricanes going for it though, I have a hard time thinking that they'd make such a move.

While I agree, if by some reason next year they crap out he'll be basically a half-season rental. Also, with the news of them potentially trading Necas I do wonder if perhaps Rod is starting to think about the future.

 

[CaptainShark]

Wheeler has the Sharks at Nr.4

Smith, Musty, Muk, Bystedt and Thrun are his top5.

 

[Stewie Griffin]

Wheeler has the Sharks at Nr.4

Smith, Musty, Muk, Bystedt and Thrun are his top5.

Very good chance we move up to #1 this summer with 4 top-50 picks, including 2 in the top-15 hopefully. Thrun really being the only "graduate".

The teams above us (Buffalo, Detroit, and Columbus draft later & less than us)

 

[OrrNumber4]

Very good chance we move up to #1 this summer with 4 top-50 picks, including 2 in the top-15 hopefully. Thrun really being the only "graduate".

The teams above us (Buffalo, Detroit, and Columbus draft later & less than us)

No, the Sharks will drop as Celebrini, Musty, Smith, and Mukhamadullin will have all graduated to the NHL.

 

[Stewie Griffin]

No, the Sharks will drop as Celebrini, Musty, Smith, and Mukhamadullin will have all graduated to the NHL.

I mean after the draft in a summer ranking. Very good chance Musty and Smith don't graduate by this time next year too though.

 

[OrrNumber4]

I mean after the draft in a summer ranking. Very good chance Musty and Smith don't graduate by this time next year too though.

Alright Mr. pessimist...

 

[Hodge]

There is zero justification for sending Smith back to college for another year.

 

[Barrie22]

There is zero justification for sending Smith back to college for another year.

Only one is if it his suggestion.

 

[Hodge]

Only one is if it his suggestion.

True, but what 18 year old is turning down that kind of money?

 

[Jargon]

True, but what 18 year old is turning down that kind of money?

He can play in the AHL next year, right? It’s not the Musty situation? I think seeing Smith away from his buddies in the AHL would be ideal for his development.

 

[Barrie22]

True, but what 18 year old is turning down that kind of money?

19 but, one that was told by agents/parents to make sure they have some sort of education to fall back on lol. Not saying it is what he will do, but that its the only way he should go back to the NCAA.

 

[Hodge]

He can play in the AHL next year, right? It’s not the Musty situation? I think seeing Smith away from his buddies in the AHL would be ideal for his development.

Yeah he can play in the AHL but he probably won't because he's easily a top six forward on the Sharks already

19 but, one that was told by agents/parents to make sure they have some sort of education to fall back on lol. Not saying it is what he will do, but that its the only way he should go back to the NCAA.

2 years of college vs. 1 is a pretty meaningless difference unless you're suggesting he's planning to stay 3-4 years to complete his degree.

 

[one2gamble]

19 but, one that was told by agents/parents to make sure they have some sort of education to fall back on lol. Not saying it is what he will do, but that its the only way he should go back to the NCAA.

you can go back to college at any point, you only have 1 shot at a pro career

 

[gaucholoco3]

No 19 year old will turn down close to a million dollars just to go back to school. He is too good to mess around with him playing another season. Unless he insists on staying in college you sign him and keep him in the NHL. He will only play in the AHL if he has 20+ games where he is the worst forward on the team.

The flyers not “guaranteeing” Gauthier an NHL spot out of camp this year is not smart to do with a top 10 pick.

If that caliber of a prospect wants to turn pro you make it work. If they play so poorly they have to be sent down to the AHL then you can do that but only after it is obvious to the prospect. The pay difference between NHL and AHL on ELC’s is almost 20x.

 

[LilLeeroy]

There is zero justification for sending Smith back to college for another year.

1. He has a lot of work to do on strength and conditioning. Fewer game college schedule is the perfect thing to have enough time to put some serious work into this.

2. He would sign at the end of the year and burn his ELC anyways, he would not get that years salary but that is pretty minimal in the grand scheme of things.

No 19 year old will turn down close to a million dollars just to go back to school. He is too good to mess around with him playing another season. Unless he insists on staying in college you sign him and keep him in the NHL. He will only play in the AHL if he has 20+ games where he is the worst forward on the team.

The flyers not “guaranteeing” Gauthier an NHL spot out of camp this year is not smart to do with a top 10 pick.

If that caliber of a prospect wants to turn pro you make it work. If they play so poorly they have to be sent down to the AHL then you can do that but only after it is obvious to the prospect. The pay difference between NHL and AHL on ELC’s is almost 20x.

Gauthier apparently was mad the Flyer's wouldn't burn a year of his ELC by giving him 10 games last year. That's not possible with Smith since BC will be making the tournament this year though.

 

[gaucholoco3]

1. He has a lot of work to do on strength and conditioning. Fewer game college schedule is the perfect thing to have enough time to put some serious work into this.

2. He would sign at the end of the year and burn his ELC anyways, he would not get that years salary but that is pretty minimal in the grand scheme of things.


Gauthier apparently was mad the Flyer's wouldn't burn a year of his ELC by giving him 10 games last year. That's not possible with Smith since BC will be making the tournament this year though.

I read they also wouldn’t guarantee him an NHL spot which is dumb. You can guarantee a spot and if they play their way into the AHL so be it.

Can a team sign a player after the regular season but before the league year ends to burn an ELC year?

 

[Jargon]

I think unless he comes into training camp and blows the doors off, I can see them giving him the Eklund treatment: let him bulk up/get used to higher end competition and bring him in at the deadline.

Maybe not though - it’s hard to say, we haven’t had a prospect of this level in a long time.

 

[Barrie22]

I read they also wouldn’t guarantee him an NHL spot which is dumb. You can guarantee a spot and if they play their way into the AHL so be it.

Can a team sign a player after the regular season but before the league year ends to burn an ELC year?

Yes they can sign him after the end of the NCAA season and then it burns year one of the ELC contract without even playing one game.