Prospect Info: Shane Wright (Round 1, Pick #4, 2022 draft)

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Wright's might be more emotional or psychological. And to me, I thought he was bored last year in the OHL. And I chock that up to attitude. Not that he has a "bad" attitude, but at times it seemed like he was just going through the motions, just waiting for the draft. As a character flaw, that's not a great sign, but correctable with time and experience. It also means if you put him in a situation with higher level competition he might be inspired. Now will he maintain that inspiration long term? Well, if that is the reason his OHL play was on the downtrend, then perhaps. But again, he might just as easily learn or just being at the highest levels of competition might be all he needed. So I am definitely in the keep him boat honestly, but that will require very specific, detailed training from the staff and if they omit some necessary things, that could be a problem. All though with Wright, I'm really not sure what part of his game, mechanically or materially would need intense development. So in that sense, I would think, if we want him to learn to be creative, he'd be better off with the most creative players in the world and how to integrate them into tactical, formation hockey. At Wright's stage and talent level, I don't think more time to freewheel would necessarily make him more creative or help with that. I honestly think that trait would be better served in the NHL, or AHL if that were possible. And creativity, I hate to say is often something you have, a way of thinking in general, or you don't. And it's not necessarily something one can control, because it has to do with how your specific brain patterns the world, and that is incredibly difficult to change, especially in adults. But that's ok too. I think he's plenty creative. Maybe he won't be Mario creatively, but that's ok because he will still produce and the rest of his game is still high level enough. It's not like he's creatively disabled.

I watched Wright about 10 times last year and I gave some consideration to the idea that he was just bored. But I would think that boredom would show up as inconsistency of effort. Bored players will give you glimpses of effort. Wright couldn't do that, there was something off with his conditioning. Now he certainly appears to have worked his ass off over the summer and shown up faster and with infinitely more energy, which gives me a huge sigh of relief as a Kraken fan. He can keep up in the NHL.

If you're thinking of maximizing creativity then I think that is the number one reason why he should be sent down. Creativity requires an allowance for trial and error. A lot of error. And playing against players you're better than. If you try to be creative vs NHLers, especially at this age and physical development, you will learn that nothing seems to work and that's how players who start early often end up becoming boring player types. They learn to be boring. It would be fine if you want to groom Shane to be a 2nd line center, but we're trying to develop him into a superstar here.
 
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I watched Wright about 10 times last year and I gave some consideration to the idea that he was just bored. But I would think that boredom would show up as inconsistency of effort. Bored players will give you glimpses of effort. Wright couldn't do that, there was something off with his conditioning. Now he certainly appears to have worked his ass off over the summer and shown up faster and with infinitely more energy, which gives me a huge sigh of relief as a Kraken fan. He can keep up in the NHL.

If you're thinking of maximizing creativity then I think that is the number one reason why he should be sent down. Creativity requires an allowance for trial and error. A lot of error. And playing against players you're better than. If you try to be creative vs NHLers, especially at this age and physical development, you will learn that nothing seems to work and that's how players who start early often end up becoming boring player types. They learn to be boring. It would be fine if you want to groom Shane to be a 2nd line center, but we're trying to develop him into a superstar here.
The thing I think many overlook is that the NHL schedule actually affords much less on-ice practice time compared to juniors. Also, team practices are typically not a place encouraging creativity. Optional skates are better, but they are not very common.

Add in the fact that the puck is on the tape of a player like wright about 5-10 times more per game in juniors than it will be in the NHL, and there is a solid argument that offensive creativity develops better at lower levels of competition.

Most young NHL players tend to up their offensive potential more in the off-season than during the year as they can focus on skills more than team play if they take part in off season workouts with their peers.

What is really unfortunate is that I think if Wright were born six days earlier, he would have been eligible to play in Coachella after the Christmas break. That would have been a nice salvage option if he were to be kept up and struggled.
 

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I still believe part of the issue with Laf was that the Rangers didn't follow through with the required variety of training Laf still needed if they were going to keep him with the team. Before the draft, everyone was saying "he's going to have to slow the game down to his speed at the NHL level", and to me, in an increasingly faster NHL, that's one of the most worrying statements that can be made about a prospect. It doesn't guarantee failure but it's not a good sign. Especially for a top 5 pick. My Dylan Strome alarm goes off. Super talented, but can't do much at the necessary speed and skating ability. And that's just not something you want to be dealing with at the NHL level. But Laf had to, and he's not that much better a skater or faster today than when he was drafted. Well, he's "improved", but it's not what I think he would require to really unlock his talent. One of his biggest issues was skating and I don't believe they ever put him with a dedicated skating coach for even a summer, let alone the time he needed. I really believe he required Bo Horvat type skating focus. Kakko also frankly. But that could be more a failing on the Rangers part, not understanding what these young players still needed, perhaps making assumptions. I'm not sure this Drury regime has been much better than the previous regime.

And someone mentioned Francis knowing what to do with a young 18 year old. Well, I hope that's true, but few things to consider, it largely depends on the individual anyway. Like Beniers, I don't think he had to even think about it. It was fairly obvious for all. With Wright, not the case. And Francis' generation, just on a character level, is TOTALLY different than Wright's generation. Not that this effects every individual of course, there are all characters to all generations, but certain trends certainly exist. And coddling and sheltering children, whether justified or not, has an effect broadly and on individuals. And it's simply a fact of our broader culture these days, meaning a higher percentage of people who mature later in life, who develop later, emotionally, personality, habits. In my generation, by the time I was in highschool, I was working and didn't even really have a curfew. While starting highschool. And crap was still analog. Ugh, Gen Z. But compared to the generation before me, I'm a lazy do nothing who started late. Now kids still live at home until 30, don't get married until around then, and well, their lives just seem to start a bit later and they spend more of the early part of their life focusing on socializing and social contact and playing as it were, than mapping their lives and constructing or doing. And it's just a trend of the days. Just meaning, Wright might not fit into the mold of a Francis. So if there are parts of Wright's game that would benefit from Jr.s I think it's the job of Francis and coaches to provide him with those things specifically. And if they keep him and do not, that's delinquent on them. "IF", as we don't know how it will play out of course.

Now Laf's issue, also coincided with other issues, established wingers ahead of him and previously drafted top wing prospects (which is one reason I didn't want to draft him, but then Kakkp and Krav have been a mess too), and his issue was mechanical, tangible, Wright's might be more emotional or psychological. And to me, I thought he was bored last year in the OHL. And I chock that up to attitude. Not that he has a "bad" attitude, but at times it seemed like he was just going through the motions, just waiting for the draft. As a character flaw, that's not a great sign, but correctable with time and experience. It also means if you put him in a situation with higher level competition he might be inspired. Now will he maintain that inspiration long term? Well, if that is the reason his OHL play was on the downtrend, then perhaps. But again, he might just as easily learn or just being at the highest levels of competition might be all he needed. So I am definitely in the keep him boat honestly, but that will require very specific, detailed training from the staff and if they omit some necessary things, that could be a problem. All though with Wright, I'm really not sure what part of his game, mechanically or materially would need intense development. So in that sense, I would think, if we want him to learn to be creative, he'd be better off with the most creative players in the world and how to integrate them into tactical, formation hockey. At Wright's stage and talent level, I don't think more time to freewheel would necessarily make him more creative or help with that. I honestly think that trait would be better served in the NHL, or AHL if that were possible. And creativity, I hate to say is often something you have, a way of thinking in general, or you don't. And it's not necessarily something one can control, because it has to do with how your specific brain patterns the world, and that is incredibly difficult to change, especially in adults. But that's ok too. I think he's plenty creative. Maybe he won't be Mario creatively, but that's ok because he will still produce and the rest of his game is still high level enough. It's not like he's creatively disabled.

But yea, I'm in the keep him boat for sure. Berniers will really be taking the focus and for good reason. Maybe seeing how good Beniers is would inspire Wright to work harder too. And it's cray, but I think he could probably learn a lot from Beniers. He's been doing it for haha a couple of years longer but he seems much further ahead. Now I think Seattle has to know this is a developmental year. And I kind of hope they let them play with the higher level talent. I think opportunity has been another thing holding Laf back. He hardly gets any PP time. His 5v5 numbers are actually fairly good last year. And with the Rangers contending last year, I actually think that also hurt their prospect development, except on D. Miller and Schneider certainly held their own and Laf did play very well in the playoffs. But then, so did Chytil and I don't expect him to continue that lol But yea, I think that would be the perfect environment for Wright, Seattle situation is like complete opposite of the Rangers anyway. Not suggesting throwing the season. But realistically, it's a young group. All though, I don't know how much fun outside the lines Hakstol will allow for.

And I do hate the restriction on playing in the AHL. I understand why it exists, but I think it causes an issue in player development where AHL might be exactly what a player does need and going back to Jrs . will just be a waste of a year of development and when they still aren't ready for the NHL. I honestly think sometimes some of these North American prospects, or at least restricted prospects, would sometimes be better off going to play in Europe in like the SHL for a year or whatever. Which I think would at least get them used to a faster game, all be it on bigger ice, but also playing with grown men. And for some prospects, that might really be what they need. I'm sure many will disagree with that. But I really don't see Jr's as being a superior option. And a prospect can get ruined being sent to the NHL too early. I think Othmann is a player in this situation. Wyatt Johnston and Stankoven too I believe. Too good for Jrs., not quite ready for the NHL. Anyway.

There’s a lot here. I said a few of the things you mention, but I’m drunk, traveling for work and that said I don’t disagree, but I do think he’s going to get it figured out, and soon.

I’ll say this about Hakstol…. He’s a very successful NCAA coach, but not as successful at the NHL level. Perhaps that’s a positive in Wrights case. He probably knows the tools he needs and can get him there. The question with Hak is more about what to do AFTER he gets to the level he needs to be at. Will he use him properly, etc.

Also… people under 30 still get married? I thought they just f***ed anything that moves and lived with them all. /I’m old I’m 43
 

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What is sea doing with Wright right now? Is he in juniors, AHL, NHL? Just wondering. I'd like to see him asap and what he can do.
 

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I think if you get Shane confident he’s going to play amazing. Since it’s his 9 game tryout I don’t get why Hak doesn’t set him up for more success. I get the line up is pretty solid at forward and it isn’t as easy to give him a higher shot but we’ve seen flashes of a great plays in the pre season. I wanna know for sure rather than play him 6 min. Shane’s probably never done that in his career it’s hard to get consistent and confident when you barely touch the ice. Hope he gets more time tonight.
 

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I wanna know for sure rather than play him 6 min. Shane’s probably never done that in his career it’s hard to get consistent and confident when you barely touch the ice. Hope he gets more time tonight.
Nope, they healthy scratched him.

I seriously don't get what the Krak are doing here??? please fill me in.

if the kid isn't ready for the NHL, then send him down to play big minutes in a lower level. Where he can learn and develop. if the goal is to just keep him up for 9 games, then this isn't how you do that.... Just stapling the kid to the bench for the entire game minus 6 minutes or healthy scratching the kid isn't going to help his confidence. this seems like some real bad prospect management unless I'm missing something here. Unless they think he just isn't working.... but even then I'm not sure I make that public by healthy scratching my recent #4OA pick.
 

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Nope, they healthy scratched him.

I seriously don't get what the Krak are doing here??? please fill me in.

if the kid isn't ready for the NHL, then send him down to play big minutes in a lower level. Where he can learn and develop. if the goal is to just keep him up for 9 games, then this isn't how you do that.... Just stapling the kid to the bench for the entire game minus 6 minutes or healthy scratching the kid isn't going to help his confidence. this seems like some real bad prospect management unless I'm missing something here. Unless they think he just isn't working.... but even then I'm not sure I make that public by healthy scratching my recent #4OA pick.
I think you’re over reacting here. Getting worked up over his play time is silly. Let the professionals do their job because I’m going to bet they know slightly a little bit more than we do when it comes to prospect management.
 

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Nope, they healthy scratched him.

I seriously don't get what the Krak are doing here??? please fill me in.

if the kid isn't ready for the NHL, then send him down to play big minutes in a lower level. Where he can learn and develop. if the goal is to just keep him up for 9 games, then this isn't how you do that.... Just stapling the kid to the bench for the entire game minus 6 minutes or healthy scratching the kid isn't going to help his confidence. this seems like some real bad prospect management unless I'm missing something here. Unless they think he just isn't working.... but even then I'm not sure I make that public by healthy scratching my recent #4OA pick.
I have not been a fan of playing Wright on the 4th line with limited minutes, but this is quite an overreaction. Not overwhelming Wright by sitting him on the team's first back-to-back, while on the road, is fine.

I get the feeling, for better or worse, the team has decided that Wright is staying up this year. If that is the case, he can be eased into his role through the first quarter of the season. Find better matchups during home games. Also, identify what this team looks like before forcing Wright into a spot that hurts his development even more. Francis is more invested in Wright's success than the fans are so I am pretty sure he has a plan in place.

I am not opposed to sending him back to Juniors after 9 games but again my concern is simply that Kingston is not a good team for him to develop more in. Even the Kingston fans who think Wright should come back to Juniors generally agree that Kingston is not the best team for him.
 

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I have not been a fan of playing Wright on the 4th line with limited minutes, but this is quite an overreaction. Not overwhelming Wright by sitting him on the team's first back-to-back, while on the road, is fine.

I get the feeling, for better or worse, the team has decided that Wright is staying up this year. If that is the case, he can be eased into his role through the first quarter of the season. Find better matchups during home games. Also, identify what this team looks like before forcing Wright into a spot that hurts his development even more. Francis is more invested in Wright's success than the fans are so I am pretty sure he has a plan in place.

I am not opposed to sending him back to Juniors after 9 games but again my concern is simply that Kingston is not a good team for him to develop more in. Even the Kingston fans who think Wright should come back to Juniors generally agree that Kingston is not the best team for him.
Why is it he can't go to the AHL? Too young? If so, that's BS you can't have some sort of waiver.
 

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I did not realize he couldn't be sent to the AHL. I agree back to juniors is not where he needs to go either.
sucks there isn't a better option for guys like him.

Now i can see why they kept him up even though he may not be fully ready.

This is why my post said "fill me in..." lol.
now I've been filled in and now I can see now why they kept him up even though it might not have been ideal. It was pretty much the only option other than sending him back to Kingston.

dumb rule.
 

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I did not realize he couldn't be sent to the AHL. I agree back to juniors is not where he needs to go either.
sucks there isn't a better option for guys like him.

Now i can see why they kept him up even though he may not be fully ready.

This is why my post said "fill me in..." lol.
now I've been filled in and now I can see now why they kept him up even though it might not have been ideal. It was pretty much the only option other than sending him back to Kingston.

dumb rule.
it's a rule meant to protect young players, which I agree with. NHL teams do not care for the individual (no matter how much they say they do). What Seattle has just done - 6min gm1 / Healthy scratched gm2 is not how to develop the player. The AHL is a rougher league in that every player is willing to break legs for a shot at promotion. so it's a simple formula really: If he is NHL ready at 18 great, he can stay. if not, then no reason whatsoever to keep him. He should be sent back to OHL to play with 17-20yos, ridiculous to think he's too good for that league.
 
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I don't really know but I've always heard it's a rule meant to protect the CHL. CHL clubs get to keep their star talent which helps keep the league afloat, and the NHL wants to protect the CHL because it is the biggest feeder league for the NHL.
As someone with no clue how junior hockey works. Can a player move/be traded from the OHL to WHL? Is there a big difference in standard? If there is not, why could Wright not go to the Thunderbirds, learn there for a season and still be around the city/Kraken on off days? (i'm sure there are 100 reasons why not but genuinely curious on the rules).
 

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As someone with no clue how junior hockey works. Can a player move/be traded from the OHL to WHL? Is there a big difference in standard? If there is not, why could Wright not go to the Thunderbirds, learn there for a season and still be around the city/Kraken on off days? (i'm sure there are 100 reasons why not but genuinely curious on the rules).

WHL and OHL are usually considered comparable but since the pandemic some have said that OHL has declined in quality with a lot of teams playing horrendous defense. WHL has long been considered the best junior league for defensive quality.

Normally you can't trade between the leagues. There might be a process for exemption from that - I know the Kraken would love to have Shane in the area so they could keep working with him - but my guess is that they wouldn't be able to do that.

They could probably force a trade to a different OHL team. Personally I think Kingston is actually a pretty good OHL team and Wright would have a much better season this year if he went back. His biggest problems last year were not team related and I think he would be in a better position to dominate this year.
 

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WHL and OHL are usually considered comparable but since the pandemic some have said that OHL has declined in quality with a lot of teams playing horrendous defense. WHL has long been considered the best junior league for defensive quality.

Normally you can't trade between the leagues. There might be a process for exemption from that - I know the Kraken would love to have Shane in the area so they could keep working with him - but my guess is that they wouldn't be able to do that.

They could probably force a trade to a different OHL team. Personally I think Kingston is actually a pretty good OHL team and Wright would have a much better season this year if he went back. His biggest problems last year were not team related and I think he would be in a better position to dominate this year.
One follow up question. Is there a big difference in the standard between college and the juniors? Beniers is obviously a bit older but was able to play in the NHL right away, is he just a freak or are college players more likely to be league ready?

Can junior players play in college or is it a hard rule you do one or the other?

Sorry for the dumb questions, as far as i'm aware no Washington schools have a college program, do any west coast schools? If the Kraken become a long term success I can see the state produce a lot of talented NHL players eventually once the infrastructure is all there. We get credited with producing a lot of NBA talent due to the grey/wet winters and having to be indoors in gyms etc a lot.

Hockey feels a lot more like baseballs system with the way prospects and draft picks are handled compared to the NFL where it's sink or swim once drafted from college.
 

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One follow up question. Is there a big difference in the standard between college and the juniors? Beniers is obviously a bit older but was able to play in the NHL right away, is he just a freak or are college players more likely to be league ready?

Can junior players play in college or is it a hard rule you do one or the other?

Sorry for the dumb questions, as far as i'm aware no Washington schools have a college program, do any west coast schools? If the Kraken become a long term success I can see the state produce a lot of talented NHL players eventually once the infrastructure is all there. We get credited with producing a lot of NBA talent due to the grey/wet winters and having to be indoors in gyms etc a lot.

Hockey feels a lot more like baseballs system with the way prospects and draft picks are handled compared to the NFL where it's sink or swim once drafted from college.

D1 College teams are better but that's mostly because the players are older and bigger than junior kids. College kids are certainly more likely to be physically ready. But the talent level varies. Some pretty good college teams rarely produce NHL talent.

CHL junior players get paid a stipend so they're considered ineligible to play in the NCAA after that. So players that want to eventually play in the NCAA have to go through other junior leagues, usually the USHL. The USHL is a junior league that is not a part of the CHL but it is comparable in quality to CHL, just a tiny bit behind. The best USHL team is usually the Chicago Steel and they would beat a lot of CHL teams.

There's no NCAA D1 teams on the west coast, unless you count a couple Alaska programs which don't play in regular NCAA conferences. There are powerhouse teams in Colorado and North Dakota but nothing NW of there in the lower 48.
 

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I don't really know but I've always heard it's a rule meant to protect the CHL. CHL clubs get to keep their star talent which helps keep the league afloat, and the NHL wants to protect the CHL because it is the biggest feeder league for the NHL.
exactly - and for that reason alone, an 18yo should not be playing in the NHL or AHL until they are physically mature or generational.
draft talent 18yo's develop amongst their peers in several options:
1- OHL, WHL, QMJHL 17-20 yos
2- NCAA- if eligible 18-23 yos
3- Europe - if eligible
or
4- NHL is they are generational

the AHL is chalk full of men up to 30+ ex-NHLers, journeymen, etc.. While it sets the standard for professional, the environment is a dog eat dog setting. Not ideal for an 18yo imo
 
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D1 College teams are better but that's mostly because the players are older and bigger than junior kids. College kids are certainly more likely to be physically ready. But the talent level varies. Some pretty good college teams rarely produce NHL talent.

CHL junior players get paid a stipend so they're considered ineligible to play in the NCAA after that. So players that want to eventually play in the NCAA have to go through other junior leagues, usually the USHL. The USHL is a junior league that is not a part of the CHL but it is comparable in quality to CHL, just a tiny bit behind. The best USHL team is usually the Chicago Steel and they would beat a lot of CHL teams.

There's no NCAA D1 teams on the west coast, unless you count a couple Alaska programs which don't play in regular NCAA conferences. There are powerhouse teams in Colorado and North Dakota but nothing NW of there in the lower 48.
Thanks for this.

Seems pretty brutal asking teenagers to make decisions so early on e.g. go to college where worst case you get a mostly free degree out of it and set your long term future up vs going to the juniors and getting paid a little. Especially as i'm guessing most college and junior players don't even sniff the NHL. You'd think the NCAA would change the rules now that college players can make NIL money now.
 

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