Prospect Info: Shane Wright (Round 1, Pick #4, 2022 draft)

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Concerning Wright, I would err on the side of caution, but Francis seems to be leaning in the other direction. Let's see how the kid looks in his nine game debut before coming to any hasty decision about where he should spend the season

From the article linked above from our GM Ron Francis: “I don’t want to draw a line in the sand, but I would think he’s with us for the year.”

That pretty much says to me he's going to play in the NHL beyond the 9 games. He's not showing anything that i seen that says please put me back in the OHL for another year.

Remember he can not play in the AHL. So its better that he's in the NHL to develop futher than to achieve little in the OHL development wise.
 

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So its better that he's in the NHL to develop futher than to achieve little in the OHL development wise.

Obviously "achieving little development" is what we all want to avoid.

I'll just point out that "we brought him up too early" or "he was rushed" are very common refrains about players that fail to reach their potential, while "we left him in junior too long" is not. Some assert that it isn't possible to ruin a prospect by leaving them in junior too long. I don't think I'd go that far but it is definitely the harder way to ruin a kid compared to bringing them up early.
 

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Concerning Wright, I would err on the side of caution, but Francis seems to be leaning in the other direction. Let's see how the kid looks in his nine game debut before coming to any hasty decision about where he should spend the season
This is exactly where I am on the issue.

I think it is obvious that he has borderline elite potential and I think his development could go either way at this point, either become an elite offensive threat NHL center, or a solid hardworking two way center.

If he is not challenged and he is mentally checked out at the OHL level like @gstommylee is suggesting he might be, then that would be a bad spot for him to be in (although I question the upside of any prospect that mentally packs it in at any level, and I do not think Wright would do that).

On the other hand, keeping him up is going to put limitations on his high-end offensive creativity - you can't really work on new tricks and offensive plays as a teenager in NHL games. That development happens in Juniors when you have more time and the consequences are not so dire when things don't work.

My personal belief is that if his offensive timing isn't apparent by game nine, he would be better long-term served honing that part of his game back in junior for the year, but there are no guarantees that either route will be more long-term beneficial, and my expectations are that he is kept up because that is mostly what expansion teams do with their young, promising prospects with star potential (for better or worse)
 
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Francis would know better than anybody what the right move is here. He was that guy who entered the league at 18, became a hall of fame player and a GM. I’m pretty confident that he knows how to handle decisions on 18 year old players. Just saying. Another GM may not be as uniquely qualified to deal with this. Too lazy to check if there are any others with his resume (lol)
 
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Francis would know better than anybody what the right move is here. He was that guy who entered the league at 18, became a hall of fame player and a GM. I’m pretty confident that he knows how to handle decisions on 18 year old players. Just saying. Another GM may not be as uniquely qualified to deal with this. Too lazy to check if there are any others with his resume (lol)

Since Wright is a CHL player that makes it a harder decision since you can't really advance your development since the CHL leagues have an age cap of 20 and you can only learn so much in the jrs.

send him back to the jrs and hope he comes a better player at the risk of not really developing more or the NHL.

NYR had the same problem with Laf.
 

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Since Wright is a CHL player that makes it a harder decision since you can't really advance your development since the CHL leagues have an age cap of 20 and you can only learn so much in the jrs.

send him back to the jrs and hope he comes a better player at the risk of not really developing more or the NHL.

NYR had the same problem with Laf.
And being an 18 year old rookie in the NHL was not very good for Lafreniere's development.

Wright missed an entire season of development in Junior, and there is definitely still more he can learn there, (although getting him into a different program other than Kingston would be a good idea and likely the reason he doesn't go back to junior) so saying he will only stagnate in the OHL is not a fact, it is pure speculation.

The NHL may be a great move for Wright at 18 for his long-term development, or it might stunt his offensive ceiling. Junior might be a great path to fulfilling his development into an offensive powerhouse, or he might sulk and lose focus.

No one knows which path would ultimately produce the best version of Shane Wright, not even Ron Francis or Wright himself, but we all have our opinions. Truth is, there is no guarantee either way.
 

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Honestly, I think Lafreniere is a pretty good hockey player for a 20 year old in the NHL. Sure he could be better, but I think eventually he will be a decent reliable NHL .5ppg or better player. I didn’t think he was going to develop that quickly and life sort of f***ed his chances too. Give him time. Granted I don’t want any of that as I hate the Rangers.
 

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Honestly, I think Lafreniere is a pretty good hockey player for a 20 year old in the NHL. Sure he could be better, but I think eventually he will be a decent reliable NHL .5ppg or better player. I didn’t think he was going to develop that quickly and life sort of f***ed his chances too. Give him time. Granted I don’t want any of that as I hate the Rangers.

Laf issue was he dominated the QJMHL so much that going back would have done him nothing and again since he was a CHL player it was jr majors or the NHL. The AHL would had done him good had it been the option.
 

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Honestly, I think Lafreniere is a pretty good hockey player for a 20 year old in the NHL. Sure he could be better, but I think eventually he will be a decent reliable NHL .5ppg or better player. I didn’t think he was going to develop that quickly and life sort of f***ed his chances too. Give him time. Granted I don’t want any of that as I hate the Rangers.
He's not what everyone hoped he'd be when drafted though.

At 18 his game was far from complete. Playing in the Q made things worse imo. That league puts so much emphasis on offense, and a big skilled kid like Lafreniere, who was a man among boys, ran completely over a league that is defensively below it's peers, and everything else about his game was ignored.

For the record, I also do not think wright and Lafreniere are very similar prospects, so comparing their situations and best development paths may be counter-productive.
 
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He's not what everyone hoped he'd be when drafted though.

At 18 his game was far from complete. Playing in the Q made things worse imo. That league puts so much emphasis on offense, and a big skilled kid like Lafreniere, who was a man among boys, ran completely over a league that is defensively below it's peers, and everything else about his game was ignored.

For the record, I also do not think wright and Lafreniere are very similar prospects, so comparing their situations and best development paths may be counter-productive.

Yeah, Wright's defensive game is well developed, his offensive understanding is as well. You don't have to teach the guy how to play D and still work well offensively. He's the sort of prospect who has less to learn at the NHL level, but what he does have to learn is more "on the job training" type stuff, like adjusting to the speed of the game and size of opposing players. The more we've watched him out there this pre-season, the more it seems to me that the OHL is a bad idea. I'm sure we're going to see him go through growing pains, but eventually he's going to adjust. Not arguing with you here, more just adding my own personal thoughts in light of the Lafreniere talk.
 

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Granted with a limited database of his play with NHL players, I have seen nothing to suggest he 'desperately' needs more time with lesser players particularly in Junior hockey. He definitely, IMO, will help the NHL club compete this year. I agree with @gstommylee that if he were eligible for the AHL that may be a better option. I trust GMRF will do what is best as he is conservative in his approach anyway. If he craps the bed in first nine I don't think he will hesitate to send him back.
 
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Granted with a limited database of his play with NHL players, I have seen nothing to suggest he 'desperately' needs more time with lesser players particularly in Junior hockey. He definitely, IMO, will help the NHL club compete this year. I agree with @gstommylee that if he were eligible for the AHL that may be a better option. I trust GMRF will do what is best as he is conservative in his approach anyway. If he craps the bed in first nine I don't think he will hesitate to send him back.
I think the AHL would have been an optimal route. To some degree, I understand that he should go back and 'dominate' against the junior players, but it is much lesser competition than what he would face in the AHL or NHL.

Letting him play in the NHL, in my mind, is the right move because they can make sure that he is working and improving the way they want and expect him to. It is not always about the points but the little things that can still be improved.

The big issue here is just to make sure that he does not get disheartened by the lack of points if that does happen. The coaching and management need to do an excellent job setting his expectations correctly.
 
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Imo the only ppl harping on this attitude nonsense are the 70% of Habs fans that were on the Wright bandwagon prior to the draft and needed a justification to support who we did pick. Majority of Habs fans wanted Wright. Now on our boards it is poster after poster, many of those same posters who wanted him selected have jumped on this poor attitude train. I see no evidence of a kid with a poor attitude.

Not only that but people misinterpreted what was coming out. It's not that he had a bad attitude. It was that the Montreal Canadiens put clips of him in OHL and asked him to explain his decisions and he didn't have much of a response for it. That isn't a bad attitude. That's an 18 year old who couldn't explain himself.
 
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Not only that but people misinterpreted what was coming out. It's not that he had a bad attitude. It was that the Montreal Canadiens put clips of him in OHL and asked him to explain his decisions and he didn't have much of a response for it. That isn't a bad attitude. That's an 18 year old who couldn't explain himself.

Not everyone is great at handling interviews like that. I could been a hockey player have been just a great of a talent player and yet struggle at the team interviews. One of my biggest issues is actually explaining stuff in which people understand what i mean.

Not everyone is great at explaining things.
 
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Laf issue was he dominated the QJMHL so much that going back would have done him nothing and again since he was a CHL player it was jr majors or the NHL. The AHL would had done him good had it been the option.
^ This. ALF missed 12 games and still won the scoring title his draft year. He had the season you hope Wright could have in Junior this year. If Wright forces his way in fine, but bringing a kid in early means they have spent a year of his ELC on a guy that may not move the needle in a year that doesn't matter that much. Maybe the cap space won't matter that much when his rookie deal is done, but maybe it will.
 
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His stat line was better than Wennberg at least. That’s about it though. Not a great game for him, but he’s going to have those. He was playing against a very good team.
I think the biggest risk of giving him a spot is the amount of risk you take in destroying his confidence at such a young age. I also don't think it sends a great message that he's essentially been told he's made the team despite not 100% earning it. He became quite lackadaisical once he was anointed the #1 pick a year ahead of the draft, and displayed a fairly entitled attitude, so he's got a bit of a bad history with being given things before they're earned.

For 18 year olds, I don't think you should really consider keeping them unless they absolutely force you to. Which I don't think he's done. He's had only 1pp assist in 5 games, with only 2 shots at 5v5. That doesn't scream ready to me.
 

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^ This. AF missed 12 games and still won the scoring title his draft year. He had the season you hope Wright could have in Junior this year. If Wright forces his way in fine, but bringing a kid in early means they have spent a year of his ELC on a guy that may not move the needle in a year that doesn't matter that much. Maybe the cap space won't matter that much when his rookie deal is done, but maybe it will.

Seattle just like NYR with laf has no choice. Its either jr majors and risk that the player doesn't develop further or NHL.
 

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I been thinking regarding wright and i feel the scouts were harsh on wright and its the scouts that didn't adjust how they are scouting to match the situation player is in as a result of the virus mess. Yes OHL didn't cancel their 20-21 season until apirl of 21. Perhaps it wasn't wrights best interest to play in europe cause of the virus mess.

No player deciding to skip a year as a result of situation beyond anyone's control shouldn't be used against him. Sometimes a decision goes beyond the sport itself for what ever reason Wright decided not to play in europe, maybe its healthy reasons, maybe he doesn't want to get stuck in Europe due to travel restricitions of having to quarantee. Maybe European teams didn't want to sign him. What ever the reason is, should not be used against him. And that's the fault of the scouts for not adapting than the player himself.
 

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I been thinking regarding wright and i feel the scouts were harsh on wright and its the scouts that didn't adjust how they are scouting to match the situation player is in as a result of the virus mess. Yes OHL didn't cancel their 20-21 season until apirl of 21. Perhaps it wasn't wrights best interest to play in europe cause of the virus mess.

No player deciding to skip a year as a result of situation beyond anyone's control shouldn't be used against him. Sometimes a decision goes beyond the sport itself for what ever reason Wright decided not to play in europe, maybe its healthy reasons, maybe he doesn't want to get stuck in Europe due to travel restricitions of having to quarantee. Maybe European teams didn't want to sign him. What ever the reason is, should not be used against him. And that's the fault of the scouts for not adapting than the player himself.
Scouts weren't down on him because he didn't play in 2020-21. They were down on him because he played extremely uninspired hockey last year. Go read quotes from scouts in the Black Book.
 
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Not sure if he should stick or not, but time will tell. Worst thing for him him is to go back to Kingston. I think the magic number is around 41 games before free agency clocks start. Worst case scenario of not being in the nhl would be he goes plays the under 20 and then has his rights traded to a strong OHL team.
 

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And being an 18 year old rookie in the NHL was not very good for Lafreniere's development.

Wright missed an entire season of development in Junior, and there is definitely still more he can learn there, (although getting him into a different program other than Kingston would be a good idea and likely the reason he doesn't go back to junior) so saying he will only stagnate in the OHL is not a fact, it is pure speculation.

The NHL may be a great move for Wright at 18 for his long-term development, or it might stunt his offensive ceiling. Junior might be a great path to fulfilling his development into an offensive powerhouse, or he might sulk and lose focus.

No one knows which path would ultimately produce the best version of Shane Wright, not even Ron Francis or Wright himself, but we all have our opinions. Truth is, there is no guarantee either way.

I still believe part of the issue with Laf was that the Rangers didn't follow through with the required variety of training Laf still needed if they were going to keep him with the team. Before the draft, everyone was saying "he's going to have to slow the game down to his speed at the NHL level", and to me, in an increasingly faster NHL, that's one of the most worrying statements that can be made about a prospect. It doesn't guarantee failure but it's not a good sign. Especially for a top 5 pick. My Dylan Strome alarm goes off. Super talented, but can't do much at the necessary speed and skating ability. And that's just not something you want to be dealing with at the NHL level. But Laf had to, and he's not that much better a skater or faster today than when he was drafted. Well, he's "improved", but it's not what I think he would require to really unlock his talent. One of his biggest issues was skating and I don't believe they ever put him with a dedicated skating coach for even a summer, let alone the time he needed. I really believe he required Bo Horvat type skating focus. Kakko also frankly. But that could be more a failing on the Rangers part, not understanding what these young players still needed, perhaps making assumptions. I'm not sure this Drury regime has been much better than the previous regime.

And someone mentioned Francis knowing what to do with a young 18 year old. Well, I hope that's true, but few things to consider, it largely depends on the individual anyway. Like Beniers, I don't think he had to even think about it. It was fairly obvious for all. With Wright, not the case. And Francis' generation, just on a character level, is TOTALLY different than Wright's generation. Not that this effects every individual of course, there are all characters to all generations, but certain trends certainly exist. And coddling and sheltering children, whether justified or not, has an effect broadly and on individuals. And it's simply a fact of our broader culture these days, meaning a higher percentage of people who mature later in life, who develop later, emotionally, personality, habits. In my generation, by the time I was in highschool, I was working and didn't even really have a curfew. While starting highschool. And crap was still analog. Ugh, Gen Z. But compared to the generation before me, I'm a lazy do nothing who started late. Now kids still live at home until 30, don't get married until around then, and well, their lives just seem to start a bit later and they spend more of the early part of their life focusing on socializing and social contact and playing as it were, than mapping their lives and constructing or doing. And it's just a trend of the days. Just meaning, Wright might not fit into the mold of a Francis. So if there are parts of Wright's game that would benefit from Jr.s I think it's the job of Francis and coaches to provide him with those things specifically. And if they keep him and do not, that's delinquent on them. "IF", as we don't know how it will play out of course.

Now Laf's issue, also coincided with other issues, established wingers ahead of him and previously drafted top wing prospects (which is one reason I didn't want to draft him, but then Kakkp and Krav have been a mess too), and his issue was mechanical, tangible, Wright's might be more emotional or psychological. And to me, I thought he was bored last year in the OHL. And I chock that up to attitude. Not that he has a "bad" attitude, but at times it seemed like he was just going through the motions, just waiting for the draft. As a character flaw, that's not a great sign, but correctable with time and experience. It also means if you put him in a situation with higher level competition he might be inspired. Now will he maintain that inspiration long term? Well, if that is the reason his OHL play was on the downtrend, then perhaps. But again, he might just as easily learn or just being at the highest levels of competition might be all he needed. So I am definitely in the keep him boat honestly, but that will require very specific, detailed training from the staff and if they omit some necessary things, that could be a problem. All though with Wright, I'm really not sure what part of his game, mechanically or materially would need intense development. So in that sense, I would think, if we want him to learn to be creative, he'd be better off with the most creative players in the world and how to integrate them into tactical, formation hockey. At Wright's stage and talent level, I don't think more time to freewheel would necessarily make him more creative or help with that. I honestly think that trait would be better served in the NHL, or AHL if that were possible. And creativity, I hate to say is often something you have, a way of thinking in general, or you don't. And it's not necessarily something one can control, because it has to do with how your specific brain patterns the world, and that is incredibly difficult to change, especially in adults. But that's ok too. I think he's plenty creative. Maybe he won't be Mario creatively, but that's ok because he will still produce and the rest of his game is still high level enough. It's not like he's creatively disabled.

But yea, I'm in the keep him boat for sure. Berniers will really be taking the focus and for good reason. Maybe seeing how good Beniers is would inspire Wright to work harder too. And it's cray, but I think he could probably learn a lot from Beniers. He's been doing it for haha a couple of years longer but he seems much further ahead. Now I think Seattle has to know this is a developmental year. And I kind of hope they let them play with the higher level talent. I think opportunity has been another thing holding Laf back. He hardly gets any PP time. His 5v5 numbers are actually fairly good last year. And with the Rangers contending last year, I actually think that also hurt their prospect development, except on D. Miller and Schneider certainly held their own and Laf did play very well in the playoffs. But then, so did Chytil and I don't expect him to continue that lol But yea, I think that would be the perfect environment for Wright, Seattle situation is like complete opposite of the Rangers anyway. Not suggesting throwing the season. But realistically, it's a young group. All though, I don't know how much fun outside the lines Hakstol will allow for.

And I do hate the restriction on playing in the AHL. I understand why it exists, but I think it causes an issue in player development where AHL might be exactly what a player does need and going back to Jrs . will just be a waste of a year of development and when they still aren't ready for the NHL. I honestly think sometimes some of these North American prospects, or at least restricted prospects, would sometimes be better off going to play in Europe in like the SHL for a year or whatever. Which I think would at least get them used to a faster game, all be it on bigger ice, but also playing with grown men. And for some prospects, that might really be what they need. I'm sure many will disagree with that. But I really don't see Jr's as being a superior option. And a prospect can get ruined being sent to the NHL too early. I think Othmann is a player in this situation. Wyatt Johnston and Stankoven too I believe. Too good for Jrs., not quite ready for the NHL. Anyway.
 
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