News Article: Shane Pinto suspended 41 games for violating gambling rules

[6stringmofo]

How's Op Honor doing?

The military is probably the last organization you want to refer to when mentioning "abide by a code of conduct"

keyboard warriors.

 

[Silencio]

Pinto talking to his teammates:

 

[Wondercarrot]

Dean brown going on and on about how people were recklessly speculating today and it was so funny to him and he obviously stays away from that and then one second later he goes on and on about what could have potentially happened.

Wow this guy is unbelievable. The pregame shows are so good except when Dean brown is on when they suddenly become the absolute worst thing you can expose your ears to.

I turned that sanctimonious hypocritical windbag off, can’t stand him.

 

[WORLDSTARHIPHOP]

keyboard warriors.

lol sure man, I did my time. How many years do you have in that you still take it seriously? Are you new or something?

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Elliote Friedman

Senators' Pinto suspended 41 games for violating NHL gambling rules

The NHL has suspended unsigned Ottawa Senators centre Shane Pinto 41 games for violating league gambling rules, multiple sources told Sportsnet.

www.sportsnet.ca

checks out

 

[Micklebot]

Elliote Friedman

Senators' Pinto suspended 41 games for violating NHL gambling rules

The NHL has suspended unsigned Ottawa Senators centre Shane Pinto 41 games for violating league gambling rules, multiple sources told Sportsnet.

www.sportsnet.ca

So he was letting buddies bet with his account? Weird, why would anyone want to do that? Is it to allow his buddies to get around gambling laws?

I really don't get why anyone would engage in proxy betting or why it's an issue...

 

[WallyD]

One would think any competent business would have procedures in place to avoid this type of situation but apparently neither the team not the league did, read into that what you will

Agreed... my point was that the league records everything and reviews all trades to ensure they are approved, meet existing and past terms. If there was any question of anything related to a pre-existing no-trade clause (ntc) then the league should have questioned it and got confirmation that if in place it was waived. Perhaps I assume too much, but you would think it would be a simple as a standard form and a review checklist! Also think the player and his agent could have objected to the trade at that time.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Agreed... my point was that the league records everything and reviews all trades to ensure they are approved, meet existing and past terms. If there was any question of anything related to a pre-existing no-trade clause (ntc) then the league should have questioned it and got confirmation that if in place it was waived. Perhaps I assume too much, but you would think it would be a simple as a standard form and a review checklist! Also think the player and his agent could have objected to the trade at that time.

Maybe the process is the trading team provides the recieving team with trade protection info. Not saying that would be the best possible process in these days where this is simple information management and easily automated but its a repeatable process that would lay the onus squarely on the trading team.

 

[Larionov]

I was just going to say that Friedman is probably the best insider going these days, and his article that was just updated has some further details as to what might have raised red flags.

I certainly understand all the discussion of the rank hypocrisy on display here and I agree. I hate that NHL owners have become such massive gambling, err, promoters. (I was going to use a crass word that might get me in trouble with the mods.) Putting that aside, though, the league absolutely has to take a tough line on players falling on the wrong side of the gambling rules. Here's why:

Firstly, any coach, executive or player who racks up a bunch of gambling debts would be hugely vulnerable to blackmail from organized crime. It doesn't take a genius to figure out what this could involve - pressure to directly influence games.

Less dramatic, but more common, would be players, either deliberately or accidentally, passing on inside information to their buddies who then place bets. It looks like proxy betting was the issue that rose to the attention of investigators. You also have to believe that some serious money was being bet - I highly doubt that we are talking harmless twenty buck bets on occasional college football games.

This may be an unpopular take, but the NHL may have done Pinto a favour here. Seeing a young guy heavily tied up in a gambling habit is a huge red flag for his future - he now has the opportunity to set himself right, and it only cost him half a season instead of a full year or much more.

 

[6stringmofo]

lol sure man, I did my time. How many years do you have in that you still take it seriously? Are you new or something?

retiring in a few months. I'll be at 24y.

Seriously? hahah no.. Can't wait to hand all the crap back into stores.

 

[dumbdick]

So can somebody give me the 5 second explanation of how this affects our cap?

Are we just kicking the can down the road here, or does this help us somehow?

 

[ottawah]

Agreed... my point was that the league records everything and reviews all trades to ensure they are approved, meet existing and past terms. If there was any question of anything related to a pre-existing no-trade clause (ntc) then the league should have questioned it and got confirmation that if in place it was waived. Perhaps I assume too much, but you would think it would be a simple as a standard form and a review checklist! Also think the player and his agent could have objected to the trade at that time.

My understanding (from news articles only) is that the question did come up, and the Senators said he did not provide his list by the required date, therefore the NTC was void for that year.

From sportsnet "Dadonov was traded to Vegas from the Ottawa Senators on July 28, 2021. Friedman reports that on that trade call, the Golden Knights and NHL were led to believe the no-trade protection had expired or was not filed properly, making Dadonov eligible to be traded anywhere"

 

[Senator Stanley]

So he was letting buddies bet with his account? Weird, why would anyone want to do that? Is it to allow his buddies to get around gambling laws?

I really don't get why anyone would engage in proxy betting or why it's an issue...

The obvious explanation is Pinto has a lot of money for a 22 year old and his non-NHL buddies probably have far less.

This is purely speculation, but say Pinto has a buddy who he thinks is good at betting on games. Rather than hand his buddy cash to go place bets, he gives his buddy access to his account with money in it, his buddy places bests, and they split what they make.

 

[Loach]

Close this thread too!

 

[Adrianopolous]

Idiot

The obvious explanation is Pinto has a lot of money for a 22 year old and his non-NHL buddies probably have far less.

This is purely speculation, but say Pinto has a buddy who he thinks is good at betting on games. Rather than hand his buddy cash to go place bets, he gives his buddy access to his account with money in it, his buddy places bests, and they split what they make.

That's stupid on Pinto, why not use cash

 

[Crosside]

LeBrun saying Bettman would have wanted to give more game to Pinto. Wow

 

[Senator Stanley]

Idiot


That's stupid on Pinto, why not use cash

Who uses cash?

Still speculating here, but I doubt he thought he was doing something all that bad, so it was probably just whatever was easiest. If you trust the other person, the easiest thing to do these days is share your account info.

 

[WallyD]

Dean brown going on and on about how people were recklessly speculating today and it was so funny to him and he obviously stays away from that and then one second later he goes on and on about what could have potentially happened.

Wow this guy is unbelievable. The pregame shows are so good except when Dean brown is on when they suddenly become the absolute worst thing you can expose your ears to.

Years ago I visited the broadcast booth as part of a business dinner guest tour. The incredibly Denis Potvin was in there, as DB's game calling partner. What a class act Potvin is, a real gentleman!. The NY Islander Hockey Hall of Fame D-man made a point of standing up, welcoming the group, shaking some hands, exchanging pleasantries. It remains my favourite hockey fan encounter of all time!

In contrast, Dean Brown sat there like a bump on a log. At one point he turned around only to gift the group with a rather miffed expression. It can best be described as looking like somebody among the great unwashed unworthy group had pooped in his KD. The difference in the two men was staggering, and very telling. Both left lasting impressions. One has a simple choice to be remembered as a class act or an ass-hat? Not saying nobody is entitled to the odd bad day, but it was shocking.

 

[vandelay]

Leburn with a convoluted statement on the correlation between not signing and the sens awareness of the matter...
But according to him, sens management would have been notified at some point before training camp

 

[WallyD]

My understanding (from news articles only) is that the question did come up, and the Senators said he did not provide his list by the required date, therefore the NTC was void for that year.

From sportsnet "Dadonov was traded to Vegas from the Ottawa Senators on July 28, 2021. Friedman reports that on that trade call, the Golden Knights and NHL were led to believe the no-trade protection had expired or was not filed properly, making Dadonov eligible to be traded anywhere"

Thanks you for the background on this, much increased clarity!

 

[Habano]

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[Mookie McGee]

traded the eventual Hart trophy winner for a scrub. Hell no!

 

[mouser]

Did anyone know this must sign by Dec 1 did not apply to 10.2c RFAs?

It seems from any comments on signing Pinto .. it had to be done by Dec 1. Cap Friendly does not say except for 10.2c RFAs ; I don't recall anyone clearing that up and usually one thing like to do on here is correct you if you are wrong.

It’s clearly stated in the CBA, but you have to catch the nuances in the language. Here’s the Dec 1st deadline rule:

There are three categories of RFA in the CBA:

- 10.2(a) Group 2 RFAs
- 10.2(b) Defected Players
- 10.2(c) Players with less than three years of professional experience. E.g. Pinto

The Dec 1st deadline only applies to the first category “Group 2” 10.2(a). Not the other two categories, of which Pinto is a member.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

It’s clearly stated in the CBA, but you have to catch the nuances in the language. Here’s the Dec 1st deadline rule:

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There are three categories of RFA in the CBA:

- 10.2(a) Group 2 RFAs
- 10.2(b) Defected Players
- 10.2(c) Players with less than three years of professional experience. E.g. Pinto

The Dec 1st deadline only applies to the first category “Group 2” 10.2(a). Not the other two categories, of which Pinto is a member.

Thanks

 

[JaredCowen4Norris]

The obvious explanation is Pinto has a lot of money for a 22 year old and his non-NHL buddies probably have far less.

This is purely speculation, but say Pinto has a buddy who he thinks is good at betting on games. Rather than hand his buddy cash to go place bets, he gives his buddy access to his account with money in it, his buddy places bests, and they split what they make.

Feels like a suspension to appease the NHLs gambling sponsors. Caught him proxy betting and went crying to the NHL about how it jeopardizes their partnership. Bettman was probably ready to throw the book at him (1 year suspension) before the NHLPA stepped in during the hearing.