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News Article: Shane Pinto suspended 41 games for violating gambling rules

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CorrectOpinion said:
Has anyone considered this might not have happened if he had been with the team instead of f*cking the dog waiting on a contract?
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No that’s incorrect opinion, sine it must have happened last year, since investigation started in the summer.
 
Do Make Say Think said:
I mean sure, but I don't care about narratives and tone policing.

All I see is Dorion getting very lucky that Pinto can't play so a lot of pressure suddenly vanished thanks to Shane being an idiot.

None of this suspension mess sheds any light on anything Dorion did this summer that might explain why Dorion completely bungled managing cap. Had he known about the investigation during the summer, prior to signing Tarasenko, then yeah, he'd look a lot better.

However we are being told Dorion found out about this in September, a while after getting cap f***ed.

Contract negotiations? That's a whole lot of white noise, I suggest people don't pay much attention to "this is what they offered and the player is angry etc." or "it turns out Pinto actually wants 3 million per!".
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Maybe it was a bungle, but maybe it was similar to a lot of other teams who aren't cap compliant until the season is close. The Pinto thing very cleary added complexity to the situation, and would have for any GM as training camp approached. To me, the utter certainly of some here that Pierre as idiot GM is THE defining feature of this situation is hard to understand. We're simply not privy to everything that went into the decision making.
 
I have a theory.

I think his father was using his an account and was getting info from Shane.
They probably looked at his account and saw bets were being made from NY while he was playing in Ottawa or other cities.
This is why they took the 41 games and didnt fight it. If it was a friend, he could have said he had no idea, but it's harder to deny when it is your father.

I have no evidence. Just a theory.
 
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Qward said:
I have a theory.

I think his father was using his an account and was getting info from Shane.
They probably looked at his account and saw bets were being made from NY while he was playing in Ottawa or other cities.
This is why they took the 41 games and didnt fight it. If it was a friend, he could have said he had no idea, but it's harder to deny when it is your father.

I have no evidence. Just a theory.
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Might be the case. What's crazy to me is given the constraints a pro athlete is under for this kind of stuff, Pinto is really the one who should be betting through other people's accounts instead of what happened.


Probably wouldn't have gotten dinged.
 
41 games for gambling....yet we'll let a team full of (insert word here) get away scott free in Chicago. And ROR slams his car into a Tim Hortons drunk and gets nothing, but gamble - no way, half a season for you.

f*** you league. Maybe help the young player if he's addicted, or suspend him 10 games as a warning to the rest of the league, but f*** you.
 
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Qward said:
I have a theory.

I think his father was using his an account and was getting info from Shane.
They probably looked at his account and saw bets were being made from NY while he was playing in Ottawa or other cities.
This is why they took the 41 games and didnt fight it. If it was a friend, he could have said he had no idea, but it's harder to deny when it is your father.

I have no evidence. Just a theory.
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Why wouldn't his father make his own account? Clearly Pinto wasn't feeding NHL info and having a proxy bettor bet those games or he would be toast. They said he never bet on NHL games so that said I have no clue what he did and they don't want to tell us. Like I said many times early all the new gambling legislation comes with a ton of rules and if you are in violation of those rules there are probably big consequences for breaking them.

Simply letting someone use your account is a massive violation and will get you banned from those betting sites if caught and your funds seized. Maybe a friend was betting on his account for him while he was in another state which gambling is not legal?
 
SpezDispenser said:
41 games for gambling....yet we'll let a team full of (insert word here) get away scott free in Chicago. And ROR slams his car into a Tim Hortons drunk and gets nothing, but gamble - no way, half a season for you.

f*** you league. Maybe help the young player if he's addicted, or suspend him 10 games as a warning to the rest of the league, but f*** you.
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I do think it's odd to suspend for that many games for sports betting in another sport (from my understanding he wasn't betting on hockey). It's one thing to be betting on your own team to lose and throwing games, but I feel like this is steep
 
SpezDispenser said:
41 games for gambling....yet we'll let a team full of (insert word here) get away scott free in Chicago. And ROR slams his car into a Tim Hortons drunk and gets nothing, but gamble - no way, half a season for you.

f*** you league. Maybe help the young player if he's addicted, or suspend him 10 games as a warning to the rest of the league, but f*** you.
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Again he didn't get 41 games for gambling. Gambling is allowed by the players in regulated markets as long as they don't bet on NHL games. He broke a rule and potentially a law and got 41 games.
 
2CHAINZ said:
Again he didn't get 41 games for gambling. Gambling is allowed by the players in regulated markets as long as they don't bet on NHL games. He broke a rule and potentially a law and got 41 games.
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your not allowed to share your account, on the betting apps,
 
Golden_Jet said:
your not allowed to share your account, on the betting apps,
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So he violated the betting app's TOS? I can understand the opposite, especially if you were betting on NHL games using someone else's account. But why would the NHL care if someone else used your account to bet on something other than NHL games?
 
ottawagm said:
So he violated the betting app's TOS? I can understand the opposite, especially if you were betting on NHL games using someone elses account. But why would the NHL care if someone else used your account?
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If Shane Pinto was in a state where gambling is illegal and he got someone to go on his account and make bets that violates state law. Probably a fraud crime as well. Also violating kyc and tos. For a normal person caught doing this your account would be closed and funds seized, probably wouldn't be any criminal action. However being a player in a major sports league he probably faces harsher punishment. I am just speculating, I have no idea what he did.
 
ottawagm said:
So he violated the betting app's TOS? I can understand the opposite, especially if you were betting on NHL games using someone elses account. But why would the NHL care if someone else used your account?
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Well, depending on the state, it's also potentially illegal. NJ for example does not allow proxy betting.
if it isn't illegal in the state he's tied to for his account, It could be a case of someone using his account to get around their jurisdiction's laws, another potential legal pitfall.

One thing is clear though, the NHL thinks this is serious, and likely for a reason. Pinto seems to agree, since he negotiated this suspension waiving his right to appeal.

It's possible the NHL is being as vague as possible because revealing the entire story may have more significant ramifications. If whatever was done undermined trust in the league, that would be huge. Even the appearance of impropriety is extremely problematic in this context, the NHL is partnering with betting sites, if those partners no longer see the NHL as a good partner because they don't take this stuff serious, then a lot of money is suddenly off the table.
 
Do Make Say Think said:
Had he known about the investigation during the summer, prior to signing Tarasenko, then yeah, he'd look a lot better.

However we are being told Dorion found out about this in September,
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How do you know that Dorion didn't know before signing Tarasenko? 🤔 I think he knew that's why he signed Tarasenko
 
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