News Article: Shane Pinto suspended 41 games for violating gambling rules

[5ive4Fighting]

So he violated the betting app's TOS? I can understand the opposite, especially if you were betting on NHL games using someone else's account. But why would the NHL care if someone else used your account to bet on something other than NHL games?

If somebody else has access to the account that becomes a huge risk. Somebody not bound by NHL rules and with little on the line could make wagers that would be catastrophic to the integrity of the league if done under Pinto's account. It basically becomes the NHL needing to trust its 11 figure enterprise to whoever Shane trusts from Franklin high days or whatever.

The betting company unlikely to be keen to be tied to nuclear fallout either. Not the company, and not the industry.

None of that takes away the distaste of an NHL and gambling industry flex on a 22 year old RFA, but it is what it is.

 

[mouser]

I do think it's odd to suspend for that many games for sports betting in another sport (from my understanding he wasn't betting on hockey). It's one thing to be betting on your own team to lose and throwing games, but I feel like this is steep

The NHL announcement said the "investigation found no evidence that Pinto made any wagers on NHL games".

What that announcement doesn't address are questions like:
- Did someone other than Pinto (the "proxy") place wagers on NHL games using Pinto's account without Pinto's direction?
- Does the NHL's description of "wagers on NHL games" include all possible NHL related betting, such as futures and player prop bets, or only game outcomes?
- If Pinto did bet on non-NHL action via a "proxy" was he doing so legally? It could be a violation of not only ToS but state and/or province laws governing betting on these gambling platforms. For example if Pinto was in a location (Ottawa) where betting on the platform was not allowed but using a proxy in another location (some U.S. State) to place bets on his account for him.

Whatever the details, the simple fact that the suspension was 41 games--and reportedly the NHLPA negotiated to keep it that low--means the league considered the violation very severe.

 

[Micklebot]

You got coles notes? I don't want to listen. I just want to know what he did.

Two takeaways I got;

Pinto apparently linked to a third parties account, they think that account may have bet on Hockey.
Want more transparency, and a more robust gambling policy

 

[2CHAINZ]

Two takeaways I got;

Pinto apparently linked to a third parties account, they think that account may have bet on Hockey.
Want more transparency, and a more robust gambling policy

I mean that's crazy. If he bet on NHL games he is the luckiest person in the world to only get 41 games. I was just under the impression he had a third party use his account while he was in a state where gambling is illegal and got caught.

 

[SpezDispenser]

Again he didn't get 41 games for gambling. Gambling is allowed by the players in regulated markets as long as they don't bet on NHL games. He broke a rule and potentially a law and got 41 games.

Interesting. Fair enough then.

 

[2CHAINZ]

Interesting. Fair enough then.

Ya im just going on what info is being provided. They said he didn't bet on NHL games and betting no non NHL is totally allowed. So I have no idea. Does Pinto have any younger siblings? Perhaps he let someone underage use his account? Some states it's 18 some states its 21. Again I have no clue just spit balling.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

How do you know that Dorion didn't know before signing Tarasenko? I think he knew that's why he signed Tarasenko

Its been reported that the Senators found out around training camp. Even that sounds early to me as it doesn't lineup with what we heard on contract negotiations progressing with Pinto... that apparently got pulled when Pinto went back to New York.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

How do you know that Dorion didn't know before signing Tarasenko? I think he knew that's why he signed Tarasenko

It is a reasonable assumption but Lebrun says the League told us about the investigation during training camp.

So, if true (and it 99% is), then Dorion did not know about this when he got us in cap trouble.

 

[Golden_Jet]

So he violated the betting app's TOS? I can understand the opposite, especially if you were betting on NHL games using someone else's account. But why would the NHL care if someone else used your account to bet on something other than NHL games?

Some states, using someone else’s account is illegal.

Its been reported that the Senators found out around training camp. Even that sounds early to me as it doesn't lineup with what we heard on contract negotiations progressing with Pinto... that apparently got pulled when Pinto went back to New York.

Sounds like Sens were made of aware of the ongoing investigation just prior to training camp.
Then advised later to not sign any contracts, that’s when Pinto left Ottawa.

 

[guyzeur]

If somebody else has access to the account that becomes a huge risk. Somebody not bound by NHL rules and with little on the line could make wagers that would be catastrophic to the integrity of the league if done under Pinto's account. It basically becomes the NHL needing to trust its 11 figure enterprise to whoever Shane trusts from Franklin high days or whatever.

The betting company unlikely to be keen to be tied to nuclear fallout either. Not the company, and not the industry.

None of that takes away the distaste of an NHL and gambling industry flex on a 22 year old RFA, but it is what it is.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Its been reported that the Senators found out around training camp. Even that sounds early to me as it doesn't lineup with what we heard on contract negotiations progressing with Pinto... that apparently got pulled when Pinto went back to New York.

They knew about it beforehand when the investigation started, and stopped negotiations when the league told them to after the investigation was completed.

It is a reasonable assumption but Lebrun says the League told us about the investigation during training camp.

So, if true (and it 99% is), then Dorion did not know about this when he got us in cap trouble.

We weren’t in cap trouble as we had a variety of trades and demotions that we could do to make room depending on what Pinto would have signed for.

We never got to the stage where we had to make a decision on how to make room based on what he would sign for. What some fans assumed was an inability to sign the player or make a move, was actually neither side doing anything as the investigation proceeded and concluded.

Paints a much different picture. The cap panic was overblown and in hindsight absolutely pointless, which is a good thing regardless of what anyone thinks of the current GM.

Lots of teams hit camp over the cap and make moves to get under by the end of it. The Sens even said that was their goal at camp as well.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Macramalla: What this underscores is the level of gravity as to what Shane Pinto may have done

TSN's legal analyst and host of Offside Eric Macramalla joins The Drive to talk about Shane Pinto's 41 game suspension for gambling, and how significant it is comparatively speaking.

www.tsn.ca

 

[CorrectOpinion]

This is really, really dumb. Sorry.

You should be really, really sorry. Dumb.

 

[CorrectOpinion]

I think what we can all take away from this is it's hard being beautiful.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Johnston: Inside details about the Shane Pinto suspension and what comes next

Team executives, agents and NHL players were scrambling for information after news of the 41-game suspension over sports wagering came down.

theathletic.com

According to multiple sources, here’s the rough outline of what Pinto was involved with:

• He is known to have had connection with a third-party proxy bettor, which is forbidden
• An issue with his account was initially flagged by one of the NHL’s betting partners
• A league investigation that began over the summer was concluded this week with the negotiated settlement

Pinto didn’t contest his guilty charge, either, saying in a statement released by the Senators that “I take full responsibility for my actions and look forward to getting back on the ice with my team.”

The details of the case have been described as “intricate” and “nuanced” by those familiar with what happened.

Clearly, the NHL was satisfied with the evidence it found that Pinto wasn’t betting on NHL games or we’d be talking about a much more severe punishment than the considerable one he got.

 

[Karl Prime]

I do want to add in all this that there is a new law in Ontario, as of next February, that prohibits athletes and celebrities from endorsing gambling sites.

 

[2CHAINZ]

I do want to add in all this that there is a new law in Ontario, as of next February, that prohibits athletes and celebrities from endorsing gambling sites.

Ya, but I think that's just for betting site commercials. I am pretty sure athletes can still have endorsement deals with sites. Ontario is a tiny market compared to legalized US markets.

 

[Laphroaig]

My thoughts are that Pinto knew what he did was wrong. He chose to do it anyway and he got caught. Shane Pinto is not terribly bright.

 

[Samsquanch]

You should be really, really sorry. Dumb.

Are you seriously suggesting that the Senators are to blame for Pinto getting suspended because he had too much free time on his hands? Lmfao please tell me I'm wrong.

I'm not sure if your still an adolescent, or just very sheltered. But in the real world, being bored and/or in a mildly unpleasant situation does NOT give you the excuse to f*** up and get into trouble. That's what a child would do.

And then trying to blame someone else for not keeping you busy enough to avoid outside trouble - that is some next level narcissistic bullshit.

 

[CorrectOpinion]

Are you seriously suggesting that the Senators are to blame for Pinto getting suspended because he had too much free time on his hands? Lmfao please tell me I'm wrong.

I'm not sure if your still an adolescent, or just very sheltered. But in the real world, being bored and/or in a mildly unpleasant situation does NOT give you the excuse to f*** up and get into trouble. That's what a child would do.

And then trying to blame someone else for not keeping you busy enough to avoid outside trouble - that is some next level narcissistic bullshit.

I feel like you are projecting a lot. Especially based on the intensity of your reaction. Anyway, I think information has already come forward disproving the question I asked; apparently Pinto was doing this long before the season started? My point was simply thst him sitting on the side lines could very well have effected his mental health. If you can't imagine that being true that sounds like some next level narcissistic bullsh*t. But then that would be the second misuse of narcissism in our conversation. Meh doth protest too much.

 

[Samsquanch]

I feel like you are projecting a lot. Especially based on the intensity of your reaction. Anyway, I think information has already come forward disproving the question I asked; apparently Pinto was doing this long before the season started? My point was simply thst him sitting on the side lines could very well have effected his mental health. If you can't imagine that being true that sounds like some next level narcissistic bullsh*t. But then that would be the second misuse of narcissism in our conversation. Meh doth protest too much.

If your point was him sitting on the sideline affected his mental health, you could have said that?

It sounded a lot more like an excuse for bad behavior to me by the way you phrased your "has anyone considered this might not of happened if he wasnt sitting on his hands" question. Sounds a bit different than you advocating for his mental health, right?

And it seems like a big stretch that a guy starts illegally betting on hockey due to depression/mental health issues during a short contract holdout (it's still in October lol) but I digress. If you think that could have been a realistic scenario, then all the power to you I guess.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

 

[Tuna99]

https://www.tvasports.ca/2023/10/26/les-habitudes-de-gambling-de-pinto-au-cur-du-probleme?fbclid=IwAR2JnwzVQ8gLzi_Dd1pdIrRvMC_13h5kZxDD2CRc-i38O6dzE8HiR31RzyQ

Pinto was using a bookie in the USA to place bets which is illegal. That’s why he was suspended

 

[JD1]

If your point was him sitting on the sideline affected his mental health, you could have said that?

It sounded a lot more like an excuse for bad behavior to me by the way you phrased your "has anyone considered this might not of happened if he wasnt sitting on his hands" question. Sounds a bit different than you advocating for his mental health, right?

And it seems like a big stretch that a guy starts illegally betting on hockey due to depression/mental health issues during a short contract holdout (it's still in October lol) but I digress. If you think that could have been a realistic scenario, then all the power to you I guess.

It seems quite evident that the concerning behavior was from prior to contract discussions

 

[Relapsing]

Holy hell. If true, that's a huge concern. Where's the NHLPA on this?