News Article: Shane Pinto suspended 41 games for violating gambling rules

[Ghost of Jody Hull]

Why would we wait until game 42 to sign him to a QO (assuming somehow his QO is still valid)?

I can't see the league saying he's both suspended, and also not allowed to sign a contract, that would just mean there's no financial punishment to him since he can't forfeit his pay when he doesn't have a contract

Wouldn't the team have to make a trade to sign him to his QO right now anyway? We don't have the cap room to add a suspended $1M player. Someone would still have to go, and we wouldn't be able to replace that player we dealt with Pinto for more 35 games.

I suppose you could trade Kubalik, bring up Smejkal and sign Pinto to his QO today. But what are you giving up to trade Kubalik?

It's still not a good situation.

Unless the team can sign him to his QO today, and that contract won't count against the cap until he returns. But I have no idea if that's possible.

 

[JD1]

No Pinto until mid to late January at the earliest. This buys Dorion some time. He is still tight to the cap but the leaving Pinto to rot on the sidelines he escapes. Lots can happen between now and mid January. Dorion could not have to deal with this by then. Its like hoping for someone to return from war ... Every day you hope for that good news.

seems Pinto was rotting on the sidelines due to his own misconduct no?

 

[2CHAINZ]

The NHL: Sports wagering is a terrible look on the league and we will suspend you half a season even if you bet on another sport legally.

Also the NHL: This game brought to you by Bet99! Now here is our DraftKings opening faceoff! Yay!

The NHL is not the one jamming betting ads at you blame Doug Ford.

 

[OgieO]

Well.. when he apparently had a deal for a dman he moved Connor Brown to make room and the deal fell through. So I guess its a silver lining that PD didn't move Joseph or Branny to make room for Pinto.

Also... where he's suspended, if he signs a QO after game 41 wouldn't that be prorated? Meaning we wouldn't need double the cap space?

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

In his article Garrioch explained the Sens and Pinto were very close to an extension and the Sens were working on clearing cap to make it happen, then they were advised by the league to not sign him until the investigation was over.

This wasn't 4D chess. This was Pinto doing something dumb and unintentionally bailing us out.

Only true genius can recognize that Dorion is a savant. He may appear dumb. He may sound dumb. He may act dumb. But really he operates at a level very few "special" people can understand.

 

[BigRig4]

Well.. when he apparently had a deal for a dman he moved Connor Brown to make room and the deal fell through. So I guess its a silver lining that PD didn't move Joseph or Branny to make room for Pinto.

Also... where he's suspended, if he signs a QO after game 41 wouldn't that be prorated? Meaning we wouldn't need double the cap space?

Wait what happened here?

 

[OD99]

Really? That would seem strange since he isn't signed.

I would think games don't count til he is signed and actually eligible to play.

This is absolutely perplexing.

How can a suspension start for him for games he couldn't even play in?

The NHL has some weird rules

Also, in regards to some posts here - why would the cap hit double for the 2nd half of the season? If we sign him to $1M wouldn't the hit be <$500k if there is less than 1/2 a season to go?

 

[inthewings]

Wouldn't the team have to make a trade to sign him to his QO right now anyway? We can't add a suspended $1M player. Someone would still have to go, and we wouldn't be able to replace the player we dealt with Pinto for more 35 games.

I suppose you could trade Kubalik, bring up Smejkal and sign Pinto to his QO today. But what are you giving up to trade Kubalik?

It's still not a good situation.

Seems this suspension will likely be handled like domestic violence/substance suspensions and not count against the cap, if he were signed.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

The NHL is not the one jamming betting ads at you blame Doug Ford.

Is that right? I feel like I see gambling ads on lots of other broadcasts too. And the Senators did just sign on with one too. It seems clear that pro sports in general is all aboard that train.

 

[ottawagm]

Shane Pinto you giant moron, probably played his last game as a senator.

Why? I highly doubt anyone in Ottawa management cares that much about this. He'll probably have to take a short term deal this year, but I wouldn't be surprised to see them sign him to an 8 year deal in the summer.

 

[JD1]

If Pinto's QO is $874k, how much cap space do we need at the 42 game mark?

$1.748 m ($847 x 2 = $1.748)?

i would expect that the QO is prorated for games played so 874/2....or whatever amount they sign him for

 

[Big Muddy]

Why wait until the 42 game mark if both parties agree to that contract though. Doesn't rh cap remain 874k prorated to today if he signs today?

I read somewhere in here (it was a tweet that was posted) that they had to wait until Jan.1 There's been a lot of posts, so not sure I have the energy to find that post.

 

[swiftwin]

Shane Pinto you giant moron, probably played his last game as a senator.

Doubt it:

Statement from the Ottawa Senators

“We were made aware of the National Hockey League investigation into this matter and additional information was made available to the club upon the completion of the league’s investigation yesterday.

Shane is a valued member of our hockey club; an engaging, intelligent young man who made poor decisions that have resulted in a suspension by the National Hockey League. We know he is remorseful for his mistakes.

The Ottawa Senators fully support the NHL’s rules on gambling. While saddened to learn of this issue, the entire organization remains committed to Shane and will work together to do what is necessary to help provide the support to allow him to address his issues and become a strong contributor to our community.

When the time is right and with the league’s blessing, we will welcome him back to the organization and embrace him as one of our own.”

 

[starling]

i would expect that the QO is prorated for games played so 874/2....or whatever amount they sign him for

It's the other way around to discourage geniuses like Pierre playing waiting games.

 

[Hale The Villain]

This is absolutely perplexing.

How can a suspension start for him for games he couldn't even play in?

The NHL has some weird rules

Also, in regards to some posts here - why would the cap hit double for the 2nd half of the season? If we sign him to $1M wouldn't the hit be <$500k if there is less than 1/2 a season to go?

I suspect it's because the NHL told the Sens not to sign him until the investigation was over.

So the games he missed due to not being signed before the investigation was complete count towards the suspension.

 

[LatteLarrys]

There are so many different rumors flying around, from betting on other sports teams to now feeding third parties inside info? Just going to wait for the dust to settle on this one...

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

Doubt it:

Statement from the Ottawa Senators

“We were made aware of the National Hockey League investigation into this matter and additional information was made available to the club upon the completion of the league’s investigation yesterday.

Shane is a valued member of our hockey club; an engaging, intelligent young man who made poor decisions that have resulted in a suspension by the National Hockey League. We know he is remorseful for his mistakes.

The Ottawa Senators fully support the NHL’s rules on gambling. While saddened to learn of this issue, the entire organization remains committed to Shane and will work together to do what is necessary to help provide the support to allow him to address his issues and become a strong contributor to our community.

When the time is right and with the league’s blessing, we will welcome him back to the organization and embrace him as one of our own.”

Pretty nice message.

 

[Micklebot]

In his article Garrioch explained the Sens and Pinto were very close to an extension and the Sens were working on clearing cap to make it happen, then they were advised by the league to not sign him until the investigation was over.

This wasn't 4D chess. This was Pinto doing something dumb and unintentionally bailing us out.

I'm not sure we can call it bailing us out without knowing the details of whatever move was being made, for all you know, someone was offering us a 2nd for Kubalik, which would have been great imo.

That said, I do think it may unintentionally help us, if he signs the QO or equivalent today, the first 41 games don't count against the cap and we essentially get an even better version of the split deal for 1 mil year one and making it up in the 2nd deal. Mind you, we don't have him for half a season ...

 

[Big Muddy]

i would expect that the QO is prorated for games played so 874/2....or whatever amount they sign him for

That was my question. There could be some confusion with Nylander situation when he held out and signed just before Dec.1. I thought his cap hit increased that first year because he sat out the numerous games until just before December 1. Maybe it's just the amount they had to pay Nylander versus the cap hit? That's what I am trying to find out.

 

[2CHAINZ]

Is that right? I feel like I see gambling ads on lots of other broadcasts too. And the Senators did just sign on with one too. It seems clear that pro sports in general is all aboard that train.

I made a post on the other page explaining what happened in the gambling industry. Certain states and now Ontario "legalized" gambling. Nothing changed in regards to sports betting you could always sportsbet the new legislation made it so they could advertise it and force the gambling companies to pay the government. If you watch a broadcast from a team in a state where gambling isn't legal you won't see any ads. "Legalization" of it just means the government is getting money and letting them advertise.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

His agent is probably banking on the Senators needing Pinto to make a playoff push. Basically, an own-rental.

The issue with waiting to sign is that it makes it more difficult to do anything other than a 1 year deal unless someone with a big cap hit is on LTIR for the rest of the season.

 

[Micklebot]

Wouldn't the team have to make a trade to sign him to his QO right now anyway? We don't have the cap room to add a suspended $1M player. Someone would still have to go, and we wouldn't be able to replace that player we dealt with Pinto for more 35 games.

I suppose you could trade Kubalik, bring up Smejkal and sign Pinto to his QO today. But what are you giving up to trade Kubalik?

It's still not a good situation.

Unless the team can sign him to his QO today, and that contract won't count against the cap until he returns. But I have no idea if that's possible.

The suspended time doesn't count against the cap since it's for off ice conduct, so they'd only need to make space by game 42 when he's eligible to play.

 

[Mark Stones Spleen]

Theory: Pinto didn't bet on "NHL games". Doesn't preclude that he could've bet on props though right? MVP, Vezina, President's trophy, etc.

First coach fired...

 

[Nova Stutzlia]

Can't Pinto sign next year's contract (2024-25) after Jan. 1?
So this year's contract could be minimum, and next year's contract whatever, giving an average of (at or somewhere near) what Pinto wants for these 2 years.

 

[Ghost of Jody Hull]

The suspended time doesn't count against the cap since it's for off ice conduct, so they'd only need to make space by game 42 when he's eligible to ay.

Well in that case, it is indeed beneficial, assuming the team gets it together and isn't completely out of the race by January.

Hopefully, he signs that QO today.