Shane Pinto being suspended 41 games for sports gambling

[guyzeur]

Dude is not having a good few months now, no contract and being dumb and gambling on NHL I would assume to get himself suspended 41 games. ouch.

He didn't gamble on NHL apparently
Not having a contract and this are most likely linked

 

[Frenchy]

Bet you he appeals it.

(Don't accept this Pinto).

I saw what you did there

 

[guyzeur]

It was negotiated with the nhlpa.

People can't freaking read

 

[saintunspecified]

Obviously there must be but the point still stands.

The NHL for years (as well as all the major sports avoided Vegas and betting like the plague but then well, expansion and buckets full of money changed their stance....for the owners but the players need to act like Puritans is still hypocritical no matter how you slice it.

Also the way the details have been presented leaves room for speculation why doesn't the NHL come clean and show the process and have some transparency?

I strongly agree. My personal opinion is that gambling really is destructive in a number of ways (and not just addictive gambling), and I would prefer if it weren't part of the game or the culture that surrounds it (along with other sports). But this is pure hypocrisy on the part of the NHL. For me, they have to say a lot more to justify 41 games.

 

[kingpest19]

He didn't gamble on NHL apparently
Not having a contract and this are most likely linked

According to Friedman it why negotiations were paused

 

[kingpest19]

I strongly agree. My personal opinion is that gambling really is destructive in a number of ways (and not just addictive gambling), and I would prefer if it weren't part of the game or the culture that surrounds it (along with other sports). But this is pure hypocrisy on the part of the NHL. For me, they have to say a lot more to justify 41 games.

How is it pure hypocrisy? The league has rules on betting and it's fairly obvious by the negotiated suspension, he broke them. It was an investigation that started some time over the summer and very clearly neither the league nor the PA were happy about what that investigation uncovered. Chances are Pinto asked for reasons why the suspension is so long to not be disclosed

 

[kevsh]

How is it pure hypocrisy?

I think the hypocrisy has been spelled out numerous times in this thread alone.

The NHL & sports networks have embraced gambling. And by embraced I mean fell head over heels madly in love, lets get married right now, today.

The NHL, MLSE, all the other ownership groups, the sports networks and the athletes all saw the massive profit potential and grabbed it. Perhaps no more obvious was this love affair displayed than in Ontario once the province loosened its gambling laws.

Almost overnight we got Gretzky, McDavid, Pronger, GSP, Matthews, that annoying punk from Breaking Bad shoving the betting apps down our throats. Pervasive ads everywhere in game, on the boards, in the graphics. All with zero understanding or concern for the effects of sports gambling on people, esp. when pushed by the stars.

And a vivid example of that is how now Ontario (& others?) are pulling back - After "studies" have shown that stars pushing gambling have dramatically increased betting on sports by teenagers they're banning using pro athletes in their ads. "Gee, ya think? Why didn't we think of that before!"

Do not be confused, the NHL's rush to profit off sports gambling led them to completely dismiss and deflect from any effects advertising gambling would have on not only its fans but its players.

So hypocrisy? Yes, the NHL and the networks are sending the message to everyone that sports gambling is great - including integration with broadcasts featuring before game & intermission segments with pros giving tips, money lines, etc - but then the league puts restrictions on what players can bet on.

This shows a complete lack of understanding by the NHL, networks, teams and players the effects of gambling. Simply put in an analogy: NHL says "Cigarettes are great! Here's some ads for Marlboro! And here's Mario to help you decide the best ones!" Then: "But ... you can only have 5 a day or you're in violation of league substance abuse rules". Once addicted to nicotine, no one can keep to 5 cigarettes per day.

 

[DamonDRW]

Does that mean he will never be signed by Ottawa and that thread in "trades" will exist till I die?

 

[Strangle]

Do you honestly think that all these young players coming into the NHL are fully rounded adults. Many have known nothing but playing hockey since and very young age, are surrounded by people with a vested interest in them to succeed and little interest in making them rounded individuals.
They are then drafted to an NHL franchise who pays them well as a rookie by most standards, they are away from home for the first time, they have a lot of free time on their hands. It’s not a surprise some would gamble to fill the time, especially if they are bombarded with adverts.
I would guess he’s the only one to be caught so far.

Don’t infantilize this guy. You have to grow up sometime, welcome to adulthood.

Where your choices have consequences.

 

[Romang67]

I dont see how this is hypocrisy. The NHL desperately wants people to lose copious amounts of money gambling. Anything that makes gambling seem less attractive to people stands to lose them the money involved in selling out to sportsbetting companies.

Having some of the biggest names in hockey push their viewers to ruin their finances through sportsbetting does not make people less likely to gamble. Let's be honest, if most people find out that 1000 gambling degenerates gambled away their house and their children's future, they dont blame the betting companies, and they sure as hell don't blame the businesses that pushed their audience to use the betting companies. They blame the gambler.

Pinto gambled in a way that could make people think betting on hockey wasn't actually that legitimate, which could lead to fewer people gambling. So he needed to be punished. That's why he's facing one of the harshest suspensions we've seen in the NHL. Not because he lost money gambling.

 

[Stamkos4life]

He's allowed to bet on sports but not hockey, right?

The nhl said there was no proof he bet on hockey, right?

So why is he suspended?

It was negotiated with the nhlpa.

Yes but the agreements says players are allowed to bet on sports other than hockey.

The nhl admitted he didn't bet on hockey.

He should appeal.

 

[PoutineSp00nZ]

He's allowed to bet on sports but not hockey, right?

The nhl said there was no proof he bet on hockey, right?

So why is he suspended?

They suspended him for half a season. Pinto is not appealing the decision.

We don't know for sure what happened, but if we read the between the lines I think we can make a pretty good guess.

 

[Qward]

He's allowed to bet on sports but not hockey, right?

The nhl said there was no proof he bet on hockey, right?

So why is he suspended?

There is no evidence that "HE" made the bets.

There is a lot of talk about a 3rd party being involved. I am guessing his father was making bets, possible on his account. Perhaps Shane was giving him inside info, like who is playing injured, who is starting.

Just a guess.

 

[um]

I’m confused as to why you would get in trouble for betting on other sports leagues. Who cares if he bets on NFL games.

 

[daver]

I bet a dime that it would be suspended under 30 games. F***.

 

[Caps8112]

this is most likely the NHL seizing the opportunity to throw down a massive suspension on a non star player. If he was an established star this would not be 41 games. This is them saying we dont want to deal with this in anyway and this is what will happen to you.

 

[red devil]

He's allowed to bet on sports but not hockey, right?

The nhl said there was no proof he bet on hockey, right?

So why is he suspended?



Yes but the agreements says players are allowed to bet on sports other than hockey.

The nhl admitted he didn't bet on hockey.

He should appeal.

According to multiple sources, one of the major issues leading to Pinto’s penalty was along the lines of “proxy betting,” where another individual or individuals have access to a legal account in his name. Companies like FanDuel specifically ban this practice. The state of New Jersey fined DraftKings $150,000 in March 2022 for allowing large (and illegal) proxy bets.

It’s not uncommon for pro athletes to have legal accounts, which are heavily monitored by the online site they sign up with. It’s in these companies' best interests to know if the players are in any way compromised. What could have complicated Pinto’s situation is where his account is based. He’s from New York State, and, for example, if a friend placed bets on a day the Senators were in Ottawa, it would be easily discoverable.

It’s rare for small bettors, but it’s a potential legal issue, since it's across federal and state lines.

 

[kingpest19]

I think the hypocrisy has been spelled out numerous times in this thread alone.

The NHL & sports networks have embraced gambling. And by embraced I mean fell head over heels madly in love, lets get married right now, today.

The NHL, MLSE, all the other ownership groups, the sports networks and the athletes all saw the massive profit potential and grabbed it. Perhaps no more obvious was this love affair displayed than in Ontario once the province loosened its gambling laws.

Almost overnight we got Gretzky, McDavid, Pronger, GSP, Matthews, that annoying punk from Breaking Bad shoving the betting apps down our throats. Pervasive ads everywhere in game, on the boards, in the graphics. All with zero understanding or concern for the effects of sports gambling on people, esp. when pushed by the stars.

And a vivid example of that is how now Ontario (& others?) are pulling back - After "studies" have shown that stars pushing gambling have dramatically increased betting on sports by teenagers they're banning using pro athletes in their ads. "Gee, ya think? Why didn't we think of that before!"

Do not be confused, the NHL's rush to profit off sports gambling led them to completely dismiss and deflect from any effects advertising gambling would have on not only its fans but its players.

So hypocrisy? Yes, the NHL and the networks are sending the message to everyone that sports gambling is great - including integration with broadcasts featuring before game & intermission segments with pros giving tips, money lines, etc - but then the league puts restrictions on what players can bet on.

This shows a complete lack of understanding by the NHL, networks, teams and players the effects of gambling. Simply put in an analogy: NHL says "Cigarettes are great! Here's some ads for Marlboro! And here's Mario to help you decide the best ones!" Then: "But ... you can only have 5 a day or you're in violation of league substance abuse rules". Once addicted to nicotine, no one can keep to 5 cigarettes per day.

Are all the other leagues hypocritical for putting restrictions on how players are allowed to bet? No league wants their players betting on their own league games. Hypocrisy would be the league taking money from these sites and then telling the players they can't use them.

 

[Tasty Biscuits]

Listening to 32 thoughts he shared his password with someone, let someone proxy bet. Friedman doesn't know what they were betting on, or if it was hockey or not.

Wasn't it confirmed that he didn't bet on NHL games? If he had someone place bets for him and it was NHL stuff, that would constitute betting on the NHL.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

According to ESPN he did not gamble on NHL.
Also according to ESPN the NHL allows gambling on sports as long as it does not involve the NHL.

Clearly contrary statements. If he did not bet on NHL games then what rule did he violate?

I don't think it is acceptable for the NHL to refuse further comment on this situation with such a lack of clarity.

 

[Tasty Biscuits]

There are also intricacies, not necessarily to this case, that many aren't considering. You can place bets on things like over/under shots for a particular player. Who's to say Player X might not tell his buddy to bet the under on shots for a game, and then Player X always looks for the extra pass in a game -- or vice versa.

Betting is no longer just "this team wins" or "this team covers the spread."

 

[Negan4Coach]

LOL "let's literally do everything we possibly can to promote vice and have Draft Kings ads in everyone's grill, and then go apeshit when somebody who plays for us actually does the thing we want every dipshit in North America to do with their hard earned money"

 

[PoutineSp00nZ]

Wasn't it confirmed that he didn't bet on NHL games? If he had someone place bets for him and it was NHL stuff, that would constitute betting on the NHL.

Pretty sure the language they used was something along the lines of "to the best of their knowledge, Shane pinto never bet on the NHL"

But that is grey language for a reason. Perhaps Pinto's father, or someone else he is connected to did.

Regardless, the kid wouldn't have been suspended for that long if there wasn't some kind of NHL betting he is connected to going on.

 

[dirtydanglez]

Wasn't it confirmed that he didn't bet on NHL games? If he had someone place bets for him and it was NHL stuff, that would constitute betting on the NHL.

only if you can prove it. they found no evidence that pinto bet on nhl games. could be because he didn't bet on nhl games or it could be the nhl doesnt have proof that he was the one that placed the bet with a shared account.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Pinto himself may have not bet on games himself but the proxy better may have. They can show it’s likely proxy better based on IP address but it’s still a no-no because it could open pandora’s box.