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Shane Pinto being suspended 41 games for sports gambling

ItWasJustified said:
What pisses me off immensely is the fact that the NHL thinks this matter is closed without revealing what Pinto has done. Eh, how about no?

Without the fans, there is no NHL. The fans, especially the Ottawa Senators fans have a RIGHT to know why their player gets suspended for 41 games. I honestly don't understand why Senators fans aren't rioting in the streets right now and marching towards the league headquarters with torches and pitchforks.

It's an effing ridiculous attitude from the league, thinking that they can just hand out a comically long suspension and not tell why.
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Because it is closed. It was negotiated by the NHLPA and Pinto. Maybe part of that was an NDA to not give specifics

You can just as well march to Shane Pintos house or the NHLPA office if you think you need a specific answer.
 
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ClydeLee said:
Because it is closed.
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My point is that it shouldn't be. Not in a single universe in existence. Again, the league doesn't exist without fans and the league just take for granted that the fans are just fine and dandy with being kept in the dark.

Apparently their assumption are correct when it comes to North American hockey fans, which is sad.
 
oceanchild said:
Seriously? You think because they have a sticker in the helmet that suddenly changes someone’s ability to not gamble and to follow the terms of the contract they signed. I don’t know if you realize how insulting that is to the full grown men who play in the NHL.
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Do you honestly think that all these young players coming into the NHL are fully rounded adults. Many have known nothing but playing hockey since and very young age, are surrounded by people with a vested interest in them to succeed and little interest in making them rounded individuals.
They are then drafted to an NHL franchise who pays them well as a rookie by most standards, they are away from home for the first time, they have a lot of free time on their hands. It’s not a surprise some would gamble to fill the time, especially if they are bombarded with adverts.
I would guess he’s the only one to be caught so far.
 
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Yorkshire Leaf said:
Do you honestly think that all these young players coming into the NHL are fully rounded adults. Many have known nothing but playing hockey since and very young age, are surrounded by people with a vested interest in them to succeed and little interest in making them rounded individuals.
They are then drafted to an NHL franchise who pays them well as a rookie by most standards, they are away from home for the first time, they have a lot of free time on their hands. It’s not a surprise some would gamble to fill the time, especially if they are bombarded with adverts.
I would guess he’s the only one to be caught so far.
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I believe we send kids younger to war. Stop holding hands and making excuses. The sticker didn’t make him do it, and if it did then we are watching Darwin in action. This no accountability, bull crap excuse, having to save everyone from themselves attitude is so annoying. What, these guys can make in the top .01% of income but shouldn’t be expected to adhere to expectations that they don’t gamble. He knew it was wrong and worked through a third party… did the sticker make him do that as well?

The NHL and Players association have made the decision to maximize revenue and income by allowing gambling companies to have advertisements during the game and on equipment. It was a rational decision and one I am sure was discussed at length. It isn’t hypocritical, it’s a business decision based on the bottom line. The NHL didn’t advertise weed before it was legal, but I bet that some players smoked.. it isn’t associated with Cocaine but you can bet some players partake. Stop making everyone victims.
 
Really surprising that he chose to take this path. I understand that he was being mentored by Wayne.
 
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IMO the NHL is much more unethical for promoting gambling, than Shane Pinto is for placing a bet.

I highly doubt Shane Pinto was “throwing a game” or betting on inside information.

Gunnersaurus Rex said:
What a joke. The guy didn't even bet on hockey. Who cares if he bet on another sport? Man, the NHL keeps giving itself black eyes. Embarrassing.
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Yup! The NHL would gladly have kids lose their paycheck to DraftKings if it makes them extra $$$, but acts like Pinto placing a non-NHL bet is reprehensible.
 
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ItWasJustified said:
What pisses me off immensely is the fact that the NHL thinks this matter is closed without revealing what Pinto has done. Eh, how about no?

Without the fans, there is no NHL. The fans, especially the Ottawa Senators fans have a RIGHT to know why their player gets suspended for 41 games. I honestly don't understand why Senators fans aren't rioting in the streets right now and marching towards the league headquarters with torches and pitchforks.

It's an effing ridiculous attitude from the league, thinking that they can just hand out a comically long suspension and not tell why.
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The NHLPA and Pinto negotiated this suspension. And Pinto didnt seem to oppose it at all.

The Sens weren't going to win the Cup this year anyways, they might have snuck into the playoffs and even that's iffy.

This gives Ottawa all the leverage to sign him to a cap friendly deal. Ottawa is going to be scary in 1-3 years with all these young players signed to favorable contracts.
 
ItWasJustified said:
My point is that it shouldn't be. Not in a single universe in existence. Again, the league doesn't exist without fans and the league just take for granted that the fans are just fine and dandy with being kept in the dark.

Apparently their assumption are correct when it comes to North American hockey fans, which is sad.
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It's about privacy for the player. Nothing is stopping Pinto from making a statement about what happened. if he wanted to do that. The fact that he isn't probably means he doesn't want to talk about it. The team is keeping quiet out of respect for the player, not the other way around. It sounds like all parties were on board with this decision/punishment, including the player. yes, there appears more to the story, but it really doesn't matter if we know all the details. The people involved have handled it and consider it closed.

if you were suspended at work, would you like your employer to announce to everyone all the reasons why? or would you prefer they just keep it confidential and move on?
 
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ItWasJustified said:
What pisses me off immensely is the fact that the NHL thinks this matter is closed without revealing what Pinto has done. Eh, how about no?

Without the fans, there is no NHL. The fans, especially the Ottawa Senators fans have a RIGHT to know why their player gets suspended for 41 games. I honestly don't understand why Senators fans aren't rioting in the streets right now and marching towards the league headquarters with torches and pitchforks.

It's an effing ridiculous attitude from the league, thinking that they can just hand out a comically long suspension and not tell why.
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Part of the negotiation was likely an NDA. The hockey circles are small enough where I am sure info will eventually get leaked.

If the website flagged him specifically I don’t see how it could be him feeding a 3rd party info. I would imagine that it involves large amounts of money, though.

I don’t see how its something to “riot in the streets and march towards the league hq with torches and pitchforks”. Hes a middle six forward on a small market team. He isn’t Connor McDavid.
 
So did he bet on Sens games? or even worse Sens losing games? Or was he betting on other games. If it's the later 41 games is a bit steep.
 
oceanchild said:
Seriously? You think because they have a sticker in the helmet that suddenly changes someone’s ability to not gamble and to follow the terms of the contract they signed. I don’t know if you realize how insulting that is to the full grown men who play in the NHL.
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I would think that if I'm being forced to endorse the product I should be allowed to at least use the service.
 
Realm said:
There is more to this. Pinto has already admitted fault and sounds like he is accepting the penalty. If he just bet $100 on an NFL game this is not the punishment.
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Obviously there must be but the point still stands.

The NHL for years (as well as all the major sports avoided Vegas and betting like the plague but then well, expansion and buckets full of money changed their stance....for the owners but the players need to act like Puritans is still hypocritical no matter how you slice it.

Also the way the details have been presented leaves room for speculation why doesn't the NHL come clean and show the process and have some transparency?
 
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Hugh Mongusbig said:
if you were suspended at work, would you like your employer to announce to everyone all the reasons why? or would you prefer they just keep it confidential and move on?
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If I played in the NHL and my livelihood required fans showing up to watch me, yes.
bigdog16 said:
I don’t see how its something to “riot in the streets and march towards the league hq with torches and pitchforks”. Hes a middle six forward on a small market team. He isn’t Connor McDavid.
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Doesn't matter. It's one of the biggest suspensions in the league's history and they think that putting the lid on it will satisfy the fans? If it was my team, I would be fuming, even more than I do now.

Again, the NHL haven an elitist attitude that makes them think they're better than the fans and therefore doesn't need to explain anything.
 
ItWasJustified said:
If I played in the NHL and my livelihood required fans showing up to watch me, yes.

Doesn't matter. It's one of the biggest suspensions in the league's history and they think that putting the lid on it will satisfy the fans? If it was my team, I would be fuming, even more than I do now.

Again, the NHL haven an elitist attitude that makes them think they're better than the fans and therefore doesn't need to explain anything.
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I think it's pretty safe to assume there was an NDA involved in the negotiation, therefore making it illegal to speak on it. It isn't an "elitest" attitude, it is the law.
 
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ItWasJustified said:
My point is that it shouldn't be. Not in a single universe in existence. Again, the league doesn't exist without fans and the league just take for granted that the fans are just fine and dandy with being kept in the dark.

Apparently their assumption are correct when it comes to North American hockey fans, which is sad.
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You apparently don't understand the concept of what it being closed means. Legally it is a closed matter. The parties involved agreed to this. And it is a closed matter.

You seem to want them to break laws to please you. But why is your anger not equally directed at Shane Pinto himself/his agent or the NHLPA. They could also share these details.

Want you want to happen is what the media is working at finding. Details they can legally get released and speculation. I've seen people say this is dumb by the NHL because it leads to speculation... why would the NHL NOT want speculation. That drives engagement, posts, media sites being looked at, etc. That'd a positive for them.
 
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Dude is not having a good few months now, no contract and being dumb and gambling on NHL I would assume to get himself suspended 41 games. ouch.
 
Listening to 32 thoughts he shared his password with someone, let someone proxy bet. Friedman doesn't know what they were betting on, or if it was hockey or not.
 
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