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I've been on this place since the mid 2000's and there always seemed to be a disdain for anyone who was successful, especially anyone who is consistently and historically successful.

The board is actually 10X better about Sid and appreciating him compared to his first 8 or so years in the league.

The boards were ruthless about him his first 4 years in the league. You'd think he was punting babies and eating kittens the way he was regarded around here. He allegedly stink palmed all the 09' Wings that he actually got to in the handshake line, after telling Lidstrom to go fly a kite and that they'd be shaking hands on Sid's schedule, if at all, because Sid didn't respect him and was a punk. Then people were still calling him a diver, saying he was a whiner, that he was a bust because he only had one cup, that he didn't contribute to winning the cup much because his #s in the back to back finals. They said that his season when he broke his neck was an outlier and the small spurts of high PPG showings over the next few years were easily attainable in such a small sample size, that he was going to go down as more of a Kariya/Lindros what-if than a Mario or Orr what-if.

I think I started noticing a change when he went to the Worlds in 2015 and won gold with Canada, and then he had that awful start where the next season with MJ and people thought he was cooked, and then we got Sully and he/the Pens went on to win the Cup in 2016 with him taking home the Conn Smythe. It really started to change after that at the World Cup in 2016 where he seemed to finally have weight off his shoulders and really enjoy playing hockey and led Canada to a gold and winning MVP. He got another Richard in '17, along with another Cup and the back-to-back- Conn Smythe and then the board kind of came around to where we are now.

I know its probably not the recognition he deserves on here, but Ill assume its a bunch of neck-beards in Philadelphia throwing up 100 posts a day on HF on their mothers basement desk-top that will always be the root cause of this issue, as its been since 2005.

Don't forget the pacifiers in DC.
 
Didn't a brewery in Philly make a beer called Crosby Tears in 2012?
I didn't remember this, probably because I avoided this place like the plague after that horrid series, but notes to take on that beer;

- Beer brewed with a Flyers orange hue.
- 8.7 % ABV, assuming for his number
- Described as "whine-like"

Probably the most clever thing to come out of Philly in a minute.
 
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Well I’m obviously wrong lol. You know what now that it’s coming back to me, since this was 13yrs ago, I was mixing it up with how Pierre wouldn’t shut up about a text he got from Gretzky about Giroux.
Pierre certainly said more than his share of dumb shit. I'll always remember him incessantly talking up Mike Richards' leadership as if he was Winston Churchill.
 
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And just think Sid/we were robbed of even more greatness due to Steckel/Hedman.

I mean, had those couple seasons (especially his 41GP 32-32-64) matured into final(s) appearances in all likelihood he is breaking the top 4/3 category of all-time.
 
The same year that Pierre McGuire said Crosby passed the torch to Claude Giroux :laugh:
The very same. What a year!
I didn't remember this, probably because I avoided this place like the plague after that horrid series, but notes to take on that beer;

- Beer brewed with a Flyers orange hue.
- 8.7 % ABV, assuming for his number
- Described as "whine-like"

Probably the most clever thing to come out of Philly in a minute.
I remember they debuted it the day of Game 4. Philly was up 3-0 and the city was acting as if they had already won the cup.

Game 4 begins and the Penguins proceed to stomp them 10-3. J Staal with the hatty.
 
Pierre certainly said more than his share of dumb shit. I'll always remember him incessantly talking up Mike Richards' leadership as if he was Winston Churchill.

Only thing he was missing with the Churchill comparison was they were both addicts.

But yeah, the way Pierre talked about Giroux that series you’d think he was McDavid on steroids.
 
I get that, but I would think it would still be a little more even on hfb. Like, he's Canada and has done amazing things for Canada internationally, but this site, specifically, makes it out like he's a bum
Because there's a lot of Flyers/Capitals/Wings fans early on who like to spam posts tearing him down because of what he was doing to their teams early on, and then recently the Oiler brigade likes to downplay every thing Crosby does to make their guy so much better.

Even on HF, the truly "neutral" fans (ie. not fans of Oilers, Caps, Flyers or Wings) tend to praise him more than rip on him. But those fanbases tend to be loud and obnoxious the most in any Crosby thread, so they drown out the neutrals.
 
"wherever you sign, make sure they have 8.7 free in cap space, if you catch my drift *wink wink*"


So I've been on HF since 2009. A long time, but not quite long enough to answer this question: Why does HF, outside of Pens fans and a few neutrals, have such a hate-on for Sid. I'm not terminally online, so I assumed the hf attitude was the prevailing online attitude towards Sid. Nope, literally anywhere else and it's people of every fan base practically worshiping the guy, calling him a top-5 player of all time (which, obviously, he is), and generally gushing about him.

So why is it whenever I read stuff here it's calling him overrated and talking about his frosted tips? Just crazy. This place (hf in general, not the Pens board) has shitty vibes.

The Detroit fans from the late 2000's have a legitimate complex.

I do not talk hockey here almost at all any longer aside from here and there. I come here for the Steelers community we have built, honestly.

Sid doing Sid stuff. Dude is 37 and still one of the best players in the world. Interested to see how the US does tonight. Will they be Bylsma in Sochi, or does Sully prove he's not quite that bad?
Really good sniff test for Sully here.
 
The Detroit fans from the late 2000's have a legitimate complex.

I do not talk hockey here almost at all any longer aside from here and there. I come here for the Steelers community we have built, honestly.


Really good sniff test for Sully here.

They have a Draper complex still. That dude is still upset Crosby didn’t shake his hands in 2009 :laugh:
 
The Detroit fans from the late 2000's have a legitimate complex.

I do not talk hockey here almost at all any longer aside from here and there. I come here for the Steelers community we have built, honestly.


Really good sniff test for Sully here.
the Detroit stuff is wild to me. You’d think 15+ years later, they’d realize they were just overly emotional after a loss and let it cloud their judgement, but nope, taking a minute too long to shake your hands is the worst breaking of the code in nhl history

Because there's a lot of Flyers/Capitals/Wings fans early on who like to spam posts tearing him down because of what he was doing to their teams early on, and then recently the Oiler brigade likes to downplay every thing Crosby does to make their guy so much better.

Even on HF, the truly "neutral" fans (ie. not fans of Oilers, Caps, Flyers or Wings) tend to praise him more than rip on him. But those fanbases tend to be loud and obnoxious the most in any Crosby thread, so they drown out the neutrals.
The mcdavid stuff is wild. I don’t get fans who are insecure for their favourite player. Like 97% of the world say he’s the best in the world right now, why do you have to concern yourself with Sid? It’s the same reason I don’t bother with Ovi discussions. They’re not equals, why on earth would I treat them as such?
 
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the Detroit stuff is wild to me. You’d think 15+ years later, they’d realize they were just overly emotional after a loss and let it cloud their judgement, but nope, taking a minute too long to shake your hands is the worst breaking of the code in nhl history

I'm in the heart of Wings country. They still cannot get over it.
I think it was less about the handshake and more about how they felt they "deserved" the Cup for reasons
 
"wherever you sign, make sure they have 8.7 free in cap space, if you catch my drift *wink wink*"


So I've been on HF since 2009. A long time, but not quite long enough to answer this question: Why does HF, outside of Pens fans and a few neutrals, have such a hate-on for Sid. I'm not terminally online, so I assumed the hf attitude was the prevailing online attitude towards Sid. Nope, literally anywhere else and it's people of every fan base practically worshiping the guy, calling him a top-5 player of all time (which, obviously, he is), and generally gushing about him.

So why is it whenever I read stuff here it's calling him overrated and talking about his frosted tips? Just crazy. This place (hf in general, not the Pens board) has shitty vibes.
1) Sid whined too much to the refs as an 18 year-old and people deathgripped that stereotype for almost 20 years now, projecting it onto his current self. So now anytime he shows negative emotions during a game he's labeled a p***y.
Haters online kept spamming it and wouldn't let anyone forget.

2) The Pens won too much, with him as the face of the league. There's a lot of jealous fan bases that didn't get Cups, cuz a lot of Cups were hogged by a small number of teams since Sid entered the NHL.
If the Pens had a history like Buffalo while Sid was here, everyone would be falling over to support Sid, saying he'd getting screwed and to get him a Cup elsewhere. They'd overlook almost any on-ice conduct in that situation.

3) The Pens have had excessive luck with 1st OA picks and have had too many "generational" talents. They dominated with individual awards too much. A lot of other fan bases failed to cash in on their top picks. So more jealousy and frustration there. Their ire is with the success of the Pens organization, but since Sid is at the helm of that, it gets directed towards him.

4) Because Sid is playing during an era where social media is on the rise, he has increased exposure towards fans. So the fans were constantly reminded of the Pens kicking ass, while theirs struggled. They'd see his interviews a lot.
Hate grew stronger than ever, with toxic message boards or Twitter/Facebook etc...
This was different in Lemieux's era. The Pens were more sheltered from the average fan. So people had more respect and less negative emotions to dole out.
 
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the Detroit stuff is wild to me. You’d think 15+ years later, they’d realize they were just overly emotional after a loss and let it cloud their judgement, but nope, taking a minute too long to shake your hands is the worst breaking of the code in nhl history


The mcdavid stuff is wild. I don’t get fans who are insecure for their favourite player. Like 97% of the world say he’s the best in the world right now, why do you have to concern yourself with Sid? It’s the same reason I don’t bother with Ovi discussions. They’re not equals, why on earth would I treat them as such?

Not even that - these fans were so butthurt about a new kid on the block after decades of winning a multiple Stanley Cups. They are the most offensive fans to me, but I really want to see a game in their new arena.
 
From my experience in person, Devils fans are easily the most chill and, surprisingly, Isles fans are much worse than Flyers fans. :laugh: Isles fans fly under the radar, man.
 

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