Confirmed with Link: Shane Doan named Special Advisor to the General Manager

[New User Name]

You aren't pretty sure of anything, most people think Matthews would love this.

okay

 

[yubbers]

You aren't pretty sure of anything, most people think Matthews would love this.

So your speculation is more valid?

They're both just opinions. You can't be sure either.

 

[AustonMarner]

It just doesn't look good in my opinion and I'm pretty sure behind closed doors at Austons agents, they think the same.

Just my opinion.

Why even share your opinion if you admittedly know nothing re: this topic? It's completely valueless and borderline laughable...
I guess that's why there's an old saying about opinions...

 

[Smif]

So your speculation is more valid?

They're both just opinions. You can't be sure either.

I didn't speculate, I'm stating what I've noticed. It's not my opinion.

 

[yubbers]

I didn't speculate, I'm stating what I've noticed. It's not my opinion.

Actually, your anecdotal evidence is an opinion. Other ppl can notice the inverse depending who you talk to.

 

[AustonMarner]

So a coffee boy like Spezza. Did he have credentials too?

Again, try to not be a hive mind for once in your life and critically think, rather than regurgitate other's nonsensical ideas...

You didn't anwer the question by the way re: knowing Doan's creds' and what the f*** does Doan have to do with Spezza?

lololol @ some people

 

[Smif]

Actually, your anecdotal evidence is an opinion. Other ppl can notice the inverse depending who you talk to.

It's a forum, we're all reading the same thing, I'm not talking to different people than you or anyone else is.

 

[yubbers]

Again, try to not be a hive mind for once in your life and critically think, rather than regurgitate other's nonsensical ideas...

You didn't anwer the question by the way re: knowing Doan's creds' and what the f*** does Doan have to do with Spezza?

lololol @ some people

You're great at dodging questions. LOL.

I asked you what they brought him in for and you gave me his job title. LOL. Duh. Care to be more specific to what he brings?

 

[New User Name]

Why even share your opinion if you admittedly know nothing re: this topic? It's completely valueless and borderline laughable...
I guess that's why there's an old saying about opinions...

I probably know as much about Shane as you do, unless of course you're a relative of his.

I have nothing against Shane and know he's very much a family man and respected in the Coyotes franchise and community.

All I have done is expressed my opinion on the Leafs hiring him and how it may look to outsiders including Austons agent.

 

[yubbers]

Again, try to not be a hive mind for once in your life and critically think, rather than regurgitate other's nonsensical ideas...

You didn't anwer the question by the way re: knowing Doan's creds' and what the f*** does Doan have to do with Spezza?

lololol @ some people

Spezza had no credentials for that role. Yet he was brought in. Why?

 

[mikeyz]

People thinking this is about Matthews.

This entire management group needs to be fired into the sun if it actually is about Matthews. (And yes, that includes Treliving)

If they are willing to do that just so a guy will resign and then when Matthews does, he does nothing is just pathetic IMO.

 

[yubbers]

It's a forum, we're all reading the same thing, I'm not talking to different people than you or anyone else is.

I assume ppl have other sources outside HF. Not everyone is nerds like us

Anecdotal evidence is very much speculation. It's not rooted in hard data. Just your personal experience.

This entire management group needs to be fired into the sun if it actually is about Matthews. (And yes, that includes Treliving)

If they are willing to do that just so a guy will resign and then when Matthews does, he does nothing is just pathetic IMO.

Meh. If you're gonna use your liquidity for anything...trying to secure a generational talent with a free job isn't the worst way to burn dollars.

I get the sentiment but use the resources you have.

 

[Hoglund4MvP]

Dubas signs Spezza as intern, nice hire, even though Spezzas ability in management is unknown.

Non-Dubas hires an intern of unknown ability , fire everyone.

This is a Dubas forum, not Leafs forum.

 

[AustonMarner]

You're great at dodging questions. LOL.

I asked you what they brought him in for and you gave me his job title. LOL. Duh. Care to be more specific to what he brings?

at this point it's become clear to me that you're bulls***ing, you're a clown or suffer some form of reading disorder or mental illness or other... either way, I'd prefer to no longer use my precious energy/life force having any further interactions with you, cheers
All the best

 

[hfman]

He could be an assistant TO the GM, not assistant GM.

whats the difference lol

 

[yubbers]

at this point it's become clear to me that you're bulls***ing, you're a clown or suffer some form of reading disorder or mental illness or other... either way, I'd prefer to no longer use my precious energy/life force having any further interactions with you, cheers
All the best

Like I said...great at dodging questions. LOL

Dubas signs Spezza as intern, nice hire, even though Spezzas ability in management is unknown.

Non-Dubas hires an intern of unknown ability , fire everyone.

This is a Dubas forum, not Leafs forum.

lol. Facts.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

He doesn't need to think of any of those other things. A player like him is gonna get them regardless. He literally played for like 400-500k as a 17 year old in Switzerland before even being drafted. It's not being star struck, it's about his personal relationship with the guy. Idk how to make that any clearer.

Mike Johnson (TSN) thinks Matthews wants 3 years at 13-14 mill. If that is anything close to his demands I don't want Matthews, his family, Doan, etc. He can f*** right off. The hell with the personal relationship. He can f*** off and play for a dumb GM who'll pay that.

 

[AustonMarner]

Dubas signs Spezza as intern, nice hire, even though Spezzas ability in management is unknown.

Non-Dubas hires an intern of unknown ability , fire everyone.

This is a Dubas forum, not Leafs forum.

I probably know as much about Shane as you do, unless of course you're a relative of his.

I have nothing against Shane and know he's very much a family man and respected in the Coyotes franchise and community.

All I have done is expressed my opinion on the Leafs hiring him and how it may look to outsiders including Austons agent.

You might be ignorant re: Doan but at least you're civil... I think Doan is a great hire for the Leafs because of his recent showings as the GM of team Canada at recent WHC, Spengler & Olympics... those are pretty high profile jobs, where he must have learned a lot about international players and multiple different ways to build a hockey team... not to mention his stellar reputation as player and being highly regarded by Matthews, Knies & the whole league for that matter, is totally just the icing on the cake...

 

[mikeyz]

Dubas signs Spezza as intern, nice hire, even though Spezzas ability in management is unknown.

Non-Dubas hires an intern of unknown ability , fire everyone.

This is a Dubas forum, not Leafs forum.

I am not a Dubas fan. Lol.

I am just saying that it would be pathetic to hire essentially a no show AGM after Matthews potentially resigns with the team.

 

[New User Name]

You might be ignorant re: Doan but at least you're civil... I think Doan is a great hire for the Leafs because of his recent showings as the GM of team Canada at recent WHC, Spengler & Olympics... those are pretty high profile jobs, where he most have learned a lot about international players and multiple different ways to build a hockey team... not to mention his stellar reputation as player and being highly regarded by Matthews, Knies & the whole league for that matter, is totally just the icing on cake...

I know exactly what Shane Doans' credentials are, both on and off the ice. I don't need google or you to tell me.
I resent you calling me ignorant. (I know what the word means)

I hope you are right (I really do)
If it helps and Matthews signs a team friendly contract, I will be wrong and have no problem admitting it.

If he sticks it to the Leafs, like many think he will, I won't say, told you so.

As for being civil, I try.

Good Night, stay safe.

 

[yubbers]

You might be ignorant re: Doan but at least you're civil... I think Doan is a great hire for the Leafs because of his recent showings as the GM of team Canada at recent WHC, Spengler & Olympics... those are pretty high profile jobs, where he must have learned a lot about international players and multiple different ways to build a hockey team... not to mention his stellar reputation as player and being highly regarded by Matthews, Knies & the whole league for that matter, is totally just the icing on the cake...

You can answer questions. LOL

Was that so hard?

 

[rojac]

So, hiring Doan will get Matthew’s to take a team friendly deal. I have my doubts.

Otherwise, why???

Perhaps he's simply a hockey guy that Treliving respects. Treliving was AGM of the Coyotes from 2003-2014 and aparently, Doan and he are friends.

According to McGran in the Toronto Star, he's coming in as a Special Assistant to the GM which I believe was also Spezza's title. My impression is that such a role is primarily an advisory one. That is, he's another voice who can weigh in on hockey decisions. Positions like this are also a way for former players to learn what the GM job is all about without having to take on the full responsibilities of an AGM. AGMs usually have specific responsibilities in a specific area. For the Leafs, for instance, Ryan Hardy is AGM, Minor League Operations; Hayley Wickenheiser is AGM, Player Development; Darryl Metcalfe is AGM, Hockey Research and Development; and Brandon Pridham is just AGM.

Heck, if he's an assistant (or special assistant) to the GM and primarily an advisor, he may not enough need to be in Toronto on a regular basis - but just communciate with Treliving and others when needed.

In any event, Doan had been serving as an advisor to the Coyotes President and their GM. He was also the GM for Canada's 2022 Olympic team and their 2022 World Championship team -- so, I suppose he might be an actual AGM.

In any event, we'll know more when the hiring is actually announced -- both from his job title and a likely description of his role from Treliving.

 

[Boxscore]

I don’t think it moves the needle either but not sure I track how you figure it gives him more leverage

Simple -- hiring Doan is a blatant, over-the-top gesture by the Leafs that indicates their desperation to convince Matthews to sign. The Leafs are pretty much telling Matthews to name his price again. If Matthews says, "I am willing to go max 4 years x 14 million" what are the Leafs going to do? Trade him, after bringing in Doan, or cave to his demands once again? We know the answer.

The Leafs best play was to openly put their cards on the table and show Matthews their blueprint for success, which must include everyone sacrificing a bit to keep the core together while adding a better cast around them. The Leafs need to man up and be sincere but firm, then gauge if Matthews truly wants to be a Leaf or only wants to be a Leaf if they are willing to give him everything he wants. There's a huge difference.

Hiring Doan to persuade Matthews is practically begging him to stay. I still find it completely ludicrous that we seem to bend over for this kid, get on our hands and knees, and give him every bloody dollar he demands for him to love us back.

Hayes is 100% correct. Kucherov, Hedman, McDavid, Draisaitl, Crosby, Malkin, Kane, Toews, MacKinnon, Rantanen, Makar, Pastrnak, Tkachuk, Hughes, Gaugreau, Stutzle, and now Dahlin reportedly, all committed to their clubs and locked into 8-year deals. Why is it that we're the only team who's players don't want to commit? After everything we've done to spoil them. It's a disgrace. Ownership and management have no backbone.

 

[yubbers]

You might be ignorant re: Doan but at least you're civil... I think Doan is a great hire for the Leafs because of his recent showings as the GM of team Canada at recent WHC, Spengler & Olympics... those are pretty high profile jobs, where he must have learned a lot about international players and multiple different ways to build a hockey team... not to mention his stellar reputation as player and being highly regarded by Matthews, Knies & the whole league for that matter, is totally just the icing on the cake...

The team he GM'd for the Olympics didn't even medal and lost in the quarter-finals. Didn't win a single game in the 2022 Spengler.

Not really promising 'recent showings' considering he's working with a hockey Superpower.

 

[KeziaTML]

This definitely feels like an "assistant to the regional manager" hiring and not an "assistant regional manager" hiring.