Confirmed with Link: Shanahan, Dubas, Keefe all staying

[Nylanderthal]

Point was coming off an injury and barely showed up until he scored in O.T.

Some claim we lost to Montreal because we lost Tavares. That is what happens when you put all your eggs in one basket.

Did Cooper say whether he was more impressed with the Rangers than the Leafs ?? Did he give Gallant the respect he deserved ?? Are the Rangers also putting up "we got respect" and "we lost to the B2B SC champs in the ECF !!" banners ??

Only 1 team per season hangs a banner of any importance. Does that make every other organization an abject failure?
God, you trolls love to take an out of context phrase or comment and absolutely run it into the ground. It’s like an over used SNL bit by now (w’sup baby yoda). He literally followed up the comment with but none of that matters as were in the results business.
Jesus this place is ridiculous

 

[Sypher04]

I remember after the last five 1st round / play-in losses, certain Leafs fans were up on their soapboxes proclaiming that playoff hockey needed to change and that the league needed to start calling the game like the regular season with all the usual penalties you see there...

These same fans are now upset that they're starting to get their wish, complete with all the errors you get with that system, and now what do they want?

Video-review for literally every micro-play that occurs on the ice.

Entirely predictable.

Maybe that's why the refs put their whistles away in the first place, so you wouldn't need to rely too much on a very error-prone system of reffing, which obviously will deeply upset fans of the losing side.

Not sure what you’re on about. I didn’t say any of that

 

[Sypher04]

If we review them all, Nick Paul doesn't get a penalty for diving, and Toronto is short-handed earlier in the game. It usually evens out in the end.

I’m not on a crusade or anything here against penalties. I just think phantom calls late in penalty games are absolute backbreakers. In quantity at least most of it will usually when, but in importance that’s harder to say. Either way, I don’t blame the refs for what happened.

 

[Gabriel426]

They didn't get the job done again.
There is no such thing thing as being close and be happy with it. Thats a loser mentality. Honestly if you think being close is okay and acceptable, how about you giving me all your money, I will totally respect you and you will be always be being close to have money.

I am not saying the Leafs sucks and need to blow it all up.....but something is not working or else they would have done a lot more in the playoffs than they had shown in the past few years. Every year, half the league makes the playoffs, and every year, 8 teams will advance to the 2nd round. Leafs have not done that and our top guys(Willie is debatable) really have not played at a level that we can say, they came to play or they turned the switch or they raised their level. We can all laugh at Oilers all we wanted and their path was so easy.....McD and Drai both are miles ahead of AM and MM in terms of raising their games to another level. Hyman raised his game too. I would swap AM, MM and JT for McD, Drai and Hyman any day bc those three showed they turned the playoffs switch. You look at McD and Drai getting swept last playoffs and both didn't play well. They learnt their lessons and were much much better players this playoffs. AM and MM seemed to be getting worse until this playoffs but they still didnt dominate like they do in the regular season. McD 33pts in 16 games(this season) and 55pts in 37 games, Drai 32pts in 16 games(this season) and 59pts in 37 games, AM 33pts in 39 games, while MM is 33pts in 39games. Both McD and Drai combined for ONE less point in this year playoffs than AM and MM career playoff points total.

I am glad the Leafs played better this playoffs, but it is not something to celebrate. The top guys need to be better. If they perform even 60% of what McD and Drai did, and still could not advance, we can say stuff like outgoalied or depth needed to do more.....but thats not the case.

 

[Captain Crunch]

So far we are the only team to take the lightning to 7 games. We have a great team, I m proud of them. SUCKS we played Tampa 1sr round but oh well. I’d rather be happy for 6 months than read another loss we suck gdt. Sure winning the -layoffs would ne sweet but we aren’t far off.

Sorry, but I’m past the point of the pat on the back and the, “you should be proud of your accomplishment, you took the 2x defending Cup winners to 7 games” talk. The fact is, we lost in the 1st round AGAIN! We were up 3 games to 2, but couldn’t get over the hump!
I think we should be past the point of making excuses. This team CANNOT win when it matters the most. Paying 2 centres and 2 wingers half the cap makes it practically impossible to have a well-balanced lineup.

 

[Racer88]

Wow, I can tell some of you have never tasted the sweet nectar of winning because if you had you would not be all warm and fuzzy about taking the defending champs to 7 games.
two things to remember about racing, hockey and life in general.
winners get paid and winners get laid

 

[Nineteen67]

So far we are the only team to take the lightning to 7 games. We have a great team, I m proud of them. SUCKS we played Tampa 1sr round but oh well. I’d rather be happy for 6 months than read another loss we suck gdt. Sure winning the -layoffs would ne sweet but we aren’t far off.

That may have been the Leafs best chance to win a round.
If they can find a goaltender, fix the D and the forward groups, it’ll take some time to gel and develop,especially if they add a bunch of rookies.
Then it’s on to Matthews‘ contract year, potentially with a new management team.

 

[Lightsol]

I don't know why half the posters here are even fans, since they seem to hate the team and everything about it unless the team does EXACTLY what they want every time...

 

[Bomber0104]

I don't know why half the posters here are even fans, since they seem to hate the team and everything about it unless the team does EXACTLY what they want every time...

Like win?

Sorry, but you pretty much walked into that one with the sad attempt to shame fans of the team for having base-level standards..

It's great you don't and I'm very happy you choose to be a fan in that way, but don't try to shame others for having very reasonable expectations such as winning a playoff round once every 15 years or so...

 

[Gabriel426]

I don't know why half the posters here are even fans, since they seem to hate the team and everything about it unless the team does EXACTLY what they want every time...

I am sorry, expecting a top 5 team in the league to win a few rounds in the playoffs might seem unreasonable to you. I am sorry that expecting the First team All star winger to perform at the First Team All Star level in playoffs is too much. Sorry to expect the back to back Rocket Winner to score in elimination games and carry the team to win the series is too far fetch.
I guess we should all be happy that we got talented players to entertain us in the regular season, and be proud that they made the playoffs like half of the league. And show respect for taking the Champs to 7 games.

My expectations of the Leafs is a bit higher bc I actually think they are better than 1st round or even 2nd round exits.

 

[mikeyz]

I don't know why half the posters here are even fans, since they seem to hate the team and everything about it unless the team does EXACTLY what they want every time...

Say that you're satisfied with 1st round exits every single year without saying that you're satisfied with 1st rounds exits every single year.

 

[Stephen]

I don't know why half the posters here are even fans, since they seem to hate the team and everything about it unless the team does EXACTLY what they want every time...

The way the Shanaplan got everything right during the teardown, winning the lottery and having this unique young core gave people a lot of hope, but you just kind of wonder if it's wandered off the path over the years.

 

[Dekes For Days]

So in essence you’re saying that Dubas has been lucky with his UFA and trade deadline signings. Man, you talk about the Bolts being “lucky” for the 3rd straight season, and our Leafs being “unlucky” for at the very least, 3 straight seasons???

I think you need to read through the post and discussion chain that you are replying to again, because that is not what was said at all.

 

[ACC1224]

I don't know why half the posters here are even fans, since they seem to hate the team and everything about it unless the team does EXACTLY what they want every time...

Man, that is a terrible take and it’s more like 95% of the fans see this as a very good collection of players and are disappointed when they don’t live up to expectations.
Why the other 5% don’t think they’re good enough to win is the real head scratcher.

 

[justashadowof]

Man, that is a terrible take and it’s more like 95% of the fans see this as a very good collection of players and are disappointed when they don’t live up to expectations.
Why the other 5% don’t think they’re good enough to win is the real head scratcher.

They are undoubtedly a very good collection of players AND not good enough to win a playoff round based on the only evidence we have.

I don't think it's understood how fleeting this window of opportunity actually can be. And it has been wasted as far as I'm concerned. It was wasted in 2017 when the team was newly on the upswing with a golden playoff opportunity with ELC young superstars and good serviceable vets. This has been a long window of opportunity already. It may not last more than 2 more seasons. There are no guarantees this continues. There are plenty of NHL teams who carry Hall of Fame quality star forwards who struggle to qualify for the playoffs year in year out. The absence of urgency is truly maddening.

 

[ReHabs]

They didn't get the job done again.
There is no such thing thing as being close and be happy with it. Thats a loser mentality. Honestly if you think being close is okay and acceptable, how about you giving me all your money, I will totally respect you and you will be always be being close to have money.

I am not saying the Leafs sucks and need to blow it all up.....but something is not working or else they would have done a lot more in the playoffs than they had shown in the past few years. Every year, half the league makes the playoffs, and every year, 8 teams will advance to the 2nd round. Leafs have not done that and our top guys(Willie is debatable) really have not played at a level that we can say, they came to play or they turned the switch or they raised their level. We can all laugh at Oilers all we wanted and their path was so easy.....McD and Drai both are miles ahead of AM and MM in terms of raising their games to another level. Hyman raised his game too. I would swap AM, MM and JT for McD, Drai and Hyman any day bc those three showed they turned the playoffs switch. You look at McD and Drai getting swept last playoffs and both didn't play well. They learnt their lessons and were much much better players this playoffs. AM and MM seemed to be getting worse until this playoffs but they still didnt dominate like they do in the regular season. McD 33pts in 16 games(this season) and 55pts in 37 games, Drai 32pts in 16 games(this season) and 59pts in 37 games, AM 33pts in 39 games, while MM is 33pts in 39games. Both McD and Drai combined for ONE less point in this year playoffs than AM and MM career playoff points total.

I am glad the Leafs played better this playoffs, but it is not something to celebrate. The top guys need to be better. If they perform even 60% of what McD and Drai did, and still could not advance, we can say stuff like outgoalied or depth needed to do more.....but thats not the case.

Hi, I disagree with your first assertion.

Shanahan, Dubas, and Keefe did their jobs -- pretty well, I think -- but they do not play on the ice and they cannot be entirely responsible for events that happened entirely on the ice.

I wrote a short piece on this if you're interested in reading my brief analysis but the summary is this: the Leafs are well-built, they need slight tweaks and to optimize.

 

[ACC1224]

Hi, I disagree with your first assertion.

Shanahan, Dubas, and Keefe did their jobs -- pretty well, I think -- but they do not play on the ice and they cannot be entirely responsible for events that happened entirely on the ice.

I wrote a short piece on this if you're interested in reading my brief analysis but the summary is this: the Leafs are well-built, they need slight tweaks and to optimize.

It’s Keefes job to get them to perform. He didn’t do his job.

 

[Nineteen67]

Hi, I disagree with your first assertion.

Shanahan, Dubas, and Keefe did their jobs -- pretty well, I think -- but they do not play on the ice and they cannot be entirely responsible for events that happened entirely on the ice.

I wrote a short piece on this if you're interested in reading my brief analysis but the summary is this: the Leafs are well-built, they need slight tweaks and to optimize.

Management decided to spend half the cap on 4 players, hindering their ability to fill out the roster. Furthermore, not every player in that core group is willing to do what it takes to win in the playoffs.

Its been rumoured by some insiders that winners like Perry wanted to play for the Leafs, but we’re turned down for the likes of Simmonds and Thornton.

Year 5 and goaltending has always been an issue.

The PP in Keefe’s tenure has been consistently terrible in the post season. He couldn’t beat a terrible Montreal team.

The playoff record is a just reward for the job they’ve done.

 

[zeke]

Hi, I disagree with your first assertion.

Shanahan, Dubas, and Keefe did their jobs -- pretty well, I think -- but they do not play on the ice and they cannot be entirely responsible for events that happened entirely on the ice.

I wrote a short piece on this if you're interested in reading my brief analysis but the summary is this: the Leafs are well-built, they need slight tweaks and to optimize.

Homer!

 

[socko]

Vasilevskiy had one of his worst playoff series of his career vs the Leafs (0.897 SV% and several stinkers) and we still couldn't beat the Lightning. I just have a hard time trying to put lipstick on this team. They're losers. People should have been fired long ago. But here we are.... still the same, baby, baby, still the same.

 

[AllHeartNoSkill]

Management decided to spend half the cap on 4 players, hindering their ability to fill out the roster. Furthermore, not every player in that core group is willing to do what it takes to win in the playoffs.

Its been rumoured by some insiders that winners like Perry wanted to play for the Leafs, but we’re turned down for the likes of Simmonds and Thornton.

Year 5 and goaltending has always been an issue.

The PP in Keefe’s tenure has been consistently terrible in the post season. He couldn’t beat a terrible Montreal team.

The playoff record is a just reward for the job they’ve done.

I’ll never understand the reasoning behind the take that “management did their job it’s up to the players to execute.” I can’t buy into a definition of leadership in which the people at the top absolve themselves of responsibility and allow blame to fall on the pieces THEY brought in.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Vasilevskiy had one of his worst playoff series of his career vs the Leafs (0.897 SV% and several stinkers) and we still couldn't beat the Lightning. I just have a hard time trying to put lipstick on this team. They're losers. People should have been fired long ago. But here we are.... still the same, baby, baby, still the same.

All da rookies were learning on da job Shanny, Dubie and Keefer .. this is all on Larry .. you get what you deserve in life .. but he does not care as long as $$$ in good .. us sponsors are making our $$$ too as long as rink is full .. we will see what happens to after market sales this year as last year it was showing signs of weakness .. but that only affects licenses holders who ROI on their seats .. they will be 1st to get affected

 

[capfit9]

Only 1 team per season hangs a banner of any importance. Does that make every other organization an abject failure?
God, you trolls love to take an out of context phrase or comment and absolutely run it into the ground. It’s like an over used SNL bit by now (w’sup baby yoda). He literally followed up the comment with but none of that matters as were in the results business.
Jesus this place is ridiculous

But 8 teams make it past the the first round.

 

[Nineteen67]

I’ll never understand the reasoning behind the take that “management did their job it’s up to the players to execute.” I can’t buy into a definition of leadership in which the people at the top absolve themselves of responsibility and allow blame to fall on the pieces THEY brought in.

They have a core, but is it the right combination players? Before they’ve had a chance of growing and developing they started managing the roster like theyve won the Cup.

 

[Apex Predator]

My biggest pet peeve is when others try to tell them they’re not real fans becuase they are negative on the team. I don’t get it so all fans are just suppose to be happy with failure. They have every right to be upset and question the process.

I work in a sales job. I was so close to get that account doesn’t get the job done. When I first started that’s fine I was learning but if it continued my company would start asking questions on why I can’t close a deal. At some point if you keep failing you need to start looking at yourself and ask what am I doing wrong. So fans have every right to he upset and they shouldn’t be questioned if they are actual fans.