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I was ok with the Leafs in game 6, I thought they were the better team. Campbell let in a real stinker and Kerfoot had himself a Jake Gardiner game. But game 7, now that was a gut punch. I knew they didn't have a chance halfway through the first period. They pissed themselves again. Pee pee pants.
 
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ToneDog said:
No doubt the Leafs and Lightning were close but the Leafs were the favourites going into the series. If they had balls they would have won the series in 6 but I digress. This is what I found from thescore. Feel free to do your own searches if you can't accept the fact.

Series odds​

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[TR]
[TH]TEAM[/TH]
[TH]GAME 1[/TH]
[TH]SERIES[/TH]
[TH]SERIES HANDICAP[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Maple Leafs[/TD]
[TD]-130[/TD]
[TD]-120[/TD]
[TD]TOR -1.5 (+160)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Lightning[/TD]
[TD]+110[/TD]
[TD]+100[/TD]
[TD]TBL +1.5 (-190)[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

You might not even believe they were favoured in game 7.

Lightning vs Leafs Game 7 Odds​

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[TR]
[TH]Team[/TH]
[TH]Moneyline[/TH]
[TH]Puckline[/TH]
[TH]Total[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Tampa Bay Lightning[/TD]
[TD]+107[/TD]
[TD]+1.5 (-235)[/TD]
[TD]O 6.5 (-113)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Toronto Maple Leafs[/TD]
[TD]-124[/TD]
[TD]-1.5 (+190)[/TD]
[TD]U 6.5 (-106)[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
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The fact that you are using betting odds that are negligible proves that there was no favourite….
 
Dreakmur said:
I just call it like I see it.



That was always the premise. You just tried to build a little straw man to argue against.



Yes I am, and it still holds true. It’s hilarious that you’re cherry-picking my vote in a poll and ignoring hundreds of posts containing my opinion. Almost seems like you don’t believe in sample sizes unless they support Kyle Dubas…



Just like every other argument, you only seem to able to say what things aren’t… will you ever be able to say what they are?



It’s interesting that address both of those things in my post and you seem to have cut them out…

Since you believe that season was important, I looked into their usages.

Nylander was given much more ice time on the powerplay. That doesn’t necessarily mean he’s the better scorer. Pastrnak did more with less ice time. The whole point of a negotiation is to pay the player as little as possible. Kyle Dubas should have been looking for all these kinds of things that point to Nylander being a lesser player than Pastrnak.

As I said a dozen posts ago, there are an infinite number of ways to compare players. I realize you’re going to do your usual thing - decide what you have to say to defend Kyle Dubas and then make up your argument. You could at least attempt to be a little more transparent.
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You see it correctly. Most of us do.
 
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ToneDog said:
No doubt the Leafs and Lightning were close but the Leafs were the favourites going into the series. If they had balls they would have won the series in 6 but I digress. This is what I found from thescore. Feel free to do your own searches if you can't accept the fact.

Series odds​

[TABLE=collapse]
[TR]
[TH]TEAM[/TH]
[TH]GAME 1[/TH]
[TH]SERIES[/TH]
[TH]SERIES HANDICAP[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Maple Leafs[/TD]
[TD]-130[/TD]
[TD]-120[/TD]
[TD]TOR -1.5 (+160)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Lightning[/TD]
[TD]+110[/TD]
[TD]+100[/TD]
[TD]TBL +1.5 (-190)[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

You might not even believe they were favoured in game 7.

Lightning vs Leafs Game 7 Odds​

[TABLE=collapse]
[TR]
[TH]Team[/TH]
[TH]Moneyline[/TH]
[TH]Puckline[/TH]
[TH]Total[/TH]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Tampa Bay Lightning[/TD]
[TD]+107[/TD]
[TD]+1.5 (-235)[/TD]
[TD]O 6.5 (-113)[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Toronto Maple Leafs[/TD]
[TD]-124[/TD]
[TD]-1.5 (+190)[/TD]
[TD]U 6.5 (-106)[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
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Having been a degenerate gambler most of my life and having worked for a gambling company a large part of my life, gambling odds have nothing to do with who Vegas (or any other gambling jurisdiction) thinks who is going to win or even who is the better team. The lines are set for one purpose. Vegas wants the same ampunt of money bet on each team. Vegas wants to win the juice. if 100 is bet on each team, the winner gets 100 and Vegas gets 110 on the loser. Before they had all this online stuff, I asked my bookie once who he like? He replied, "I am not a gambler, I am a business man." I never think that the odds have anything to do with who is the best team, just that Vegas expects to get the same amount bet on each side.
 
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killer1980 said:
Having been a degenerate gambler most of my life and having worked for a gambling company a large part of my life, gambling odds have nothing to do with who Vegas (or any other gambling jurisdiction) thinks who is going to win or even who is the better team. The lines are set for one purpose. Vegas wants the same ampunt of money bet on each team. Vegas wants to win the juice. if 100 is bet on each team, the winner gets 100 and Vegas gets 110 on the loser. Before they had all this online stuff, I asked my bookie once who he like? He replied, "I am not a gambler, I am a business man." I never think that the odds have anything to do with who is the best team, just that Vegas expects to get the same amount bet on each side.
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Yup understood but we are talking who was the "favourite" to win the series. Leafs clearly were the slight favourite but not the better team when all was said and done.
 
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usernamezrhardtodo said:
I still don't understand why some people think what you are saying is Rocket Science. If cap goes up...salaries for everyone go up...especially for guys at the bottom because you think you can pay it out without worrying so much about strapping your team.
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Salaries for new players will go up but the value of guys locked up on multi years becomes more team friendly.
 
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The Podium said:
A money line that is a bit more than marginally different…
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Atlantic Div
1) Florida .. 122 points (President's trophy and franchise best)
2) Toronto .. 115 points (franchise best)
3) Tampa ......110 points

Leafs were the underdogs in their series in our opinion, but how about Florida?
 
Menzinger said:
Salaries for new players will go up but the value of guys locked up on multi years becomes more team friendly.
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And that’s obviously accounted-for and built into the long term contracts when they’re negotiated between team and player agent..

Or do you actually believe both of those parties are summarily ignoring where the cap / league revenue is expected to be in 5+ years?

That would be negligence and I’d want either the GM or player agent fired for such ignorance and gross misunderstanding of league governance…
 
Menzinger said:
Salaries for new players will go up but the value of guys locked up on multi years becomes more team friendly.
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For all teams.
There is no advantage or disadvantage to any team in particular.....even poor Kyle
 
Dreakmur said:
So the salaries of the core players take up less proportional cap space... If the team looks the same, who cares?
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And that proportion shrinks with passing time giving the team more room around the edges to maneuver signing players. The notion that a rising cap is of next to no benefit to the team (which seems to be implied from some here) is a fallacy
 
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mikeyz said:
Tampa onto the cup final.

Cue the annual “We’re close because we took the cup champs/finalist to 7 games” from the Dubas defender peanut gallery in 3......2........1..........
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Why would Dubas defenders wait until your count down. People have believed they are close for some time now. Larry Tanenbaum predicted a Cup in Toronto last week. Dubas defenders would have joined along with the rest of the people who think the Leafs are close.

Update: this just came from one of my Facebook groups 25 minutes ago so it fits your timeline. " Now all the wanna be Leafs fans and haters can be quiet. Toronto is the only team that took Tampa to game 7 and in my opinion even though Tampa won Toronto was the better team. Glg" Though I don't know if it is from a Dubas defender.
 
Mess said:
Atlantic Div
1) Florida .. 122 points (President's trophy and franchise best)
2) Toronto .. 115 points (franchise best)
3) Tampa ......110 points

Leafs were the underdogs in their series in our opinion, but how about Florida?
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I think most had TB as the favourite against FLA, despite home ice
 
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Gallagbi said:
I think most had TB as the favourite against FLA, despite home ice
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So regular season points and playoff seeding and home ice advantage not really a factor when you go up against a potential dynasty team like Tampa Bay.,

Tampa could and likely will win the Cup and started every series on the road, without home ice, and finishing lower in the standings than all their 4 opponents yet are still considered the favourites.
 
Mess said:
So regular season points and playoff seeding and home ice advantage not really a factor when you go up against a potential dynasty team like Tampa Bay.,

Tampa could and likely will win the Cup and started every series on the road, without home ice, and finishing lower in the standings than all their 4 opponents yet are still considered the favourites.
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They are the two time defending champions. Of course they are favored. How could it be otherwise?
 
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