Confirmed with Link: Shanahan, Dubas, Keefe all staying

[ToneDog]

The Leafs are unlucky to have a few players that can’t or won’t put in the necessary effort to win a round, let alone a Cup. They’re also unlucky to have cap problems that have hindered their ability to build a more competitive team.

Tampa, on the other hand, is lucky enough to have guys that are committed to winning and they built a solid roster that can be retooled after a Cup championships.

You think for all the grief they get for losing in round #1 and all the b.s they have spewed about getting it done when it counts, that they could find it within themselves to put and end to it up 3-2 in the 3rd of game 6 and in game 7. Money talks and b.s walks and this core walked again. But hey, let's do it again next year. Same bat time, same bat channel.

 

[Dekes For Days]

You think for all the grief they get for losing in round #1 and all the b.s they have spewed about getting it done when it counts, that they could find it within themselves to put and end to it up 3-2 in the 3rd of game 6 and in game 7.

They were, until the refs took over.

 

[Dreakmur]

They were, until the refs took over.

Winners don’t need excuses.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Winners don’t need excuses.

No, they evidently just need refs handing them multiple games.

 

[ToneDog]

No, they evidently just need refs handing them multiple games.

Refs may have allowed Tampa to tie it in game #6, but how did they prevent them from winning game #6 in O.T?? Stop with the excuses, this core and management team clearly is not capable of getting it done when it counts.

You cannot win the SC by putting it on the backs of this core (16,34,91,88,44,8) no matter how many times Shanny, Dubas, and Larry say it. How much more proof do you need ?? One, two, three more kicks at the can ??

 

[Dekes For Days]

Refs may have allowed Tampa to tie it in game #6, but how did they prevent them from winning game #6 in O.T??

I mean, kind of missing the point, but for the record, it certainly didn't help to have Tampa waterskiing from the backs of our players.

 

[WickedPegJets]

TSN has a video clip in which Hayes. O’Dog and Noodles were discussing that with all the high profile unemployed head coaches (Cassidy, Torts, Trotz, Quennville, Tocchet, Tippett, DeBoer) out there whether Keefe should be replaced.

 

[zeke]

Refs may have allowed Tampa to tie it in game #6, but how did they prevent them from winning game #6 in O.T??

How much help does Tampa need?

 

[Mess]

As for the rest, the things they can worry about out of that list of stuff you mentioned, is stuff they can quantify. There are a lot of decisions which can be, and are, "driven by data" (or at least incorporate it in some important way) that are far beyond most fans can even begin to comprehend and would be surprised at how few truly subjective decisions are made by teams these days. The ways that data is used is far different than people think it is used, and the Leafs specifically are a team that has the resources to use data a lot better than they probably are right now.

Leafs management #1 quantifier to Ownership is the financial data $$$$$ not the player personnel or team data, or even the results.

In order to appease the MLSE board of directors it comes down to, is the team on the ice and the show its putting one keeping the investors, sponsors, shareholders. luxuary boss suite owners etc etc happy, and regardless of the results, is the arena full to capacity for each game, and are they maximizing revenue profits on addmision pricing all in a effort to grow the Leafs brand and increase the franchise value, through marketing and merchandising and all means available.

Here is the only true analytics that MLSE is concerned about...

Forbes Fortune 500 - Most valuable NHL franchises Dec 2021.

NHL Team Values 2021:

1. New York Rangers
• Value: $2 billion
• One-Year Change: +21%
• Five-Year Change: +60%
• Owner: Madison Square Garden Sports

2. Toronto Maple Leafs
• Value: $1.8 billion
• One-Year Change: +20%
• Five-Year Change: +64%
• Owner: Bell Canada, Rogers Communications, Larry Tanenbaum

NHL Team Values 2021: New York Rangers Become Hockey’s First $2 Billion Team

The ice is hot, with the average team value soaring 32% and the sale of the Pittsburgh Penguins for $900 million.

www.forbes.com

So all this management team needs to do is show that it provides professionalism, stability and competence and all on the same page, to ice what is believed to be a Cup competitive team, (which a playoff team does essentially), that keeps all that big $$ money following in and those happy to continue to do so.. Its all about what drives the franchise value price higher each year, and those analytics above, that show ownership under this management group according to Forbes at end of 2021, is valued 2nd among all teams and has seen a +64% increase in value to $1.8 billion, over the course of the last 5 years. (which included a pandemic) and empty arena.

That is why Larry Tanenbaum is so pleased with the results of his investment and sending the same message " Leafs are close and a Cup will come".

Fans calling balls and strikes on playoff game and series losses are missing the big picture, by a county mile as to what drives the MLSE machine. Leafs putting up a good fight and entertaining show against a Cup defending champ, and "earning respect" is all about messaging to a much higher audience than fans.

So mission accomplished everyone is staying, and playing the odds that eventually the playoff round wins will arrive because the talent on the ice allows for the possibility for it to happen, While fans are patiently waiting for those results to unfold, if your franchise value is seeing a +20% growth and revenue increase in franchise asset value, then everyone in charge in ownership that determines the fate of management is content, therefore its status quo full speed ahead.

" If it ain't broke don't fix it"

 

[Nineteen67]

Refs may have allowed Tampa to tie it in game #6, but how did they prevent them from winning game #6 in O.T?? Stop with the excuses, this core and management team clearly is not capable of getting it done when it counts.

You cannot win the SC by putting it on the backs of this core (16,34,91,88,44,8) no matter how many times Shanny, Dubas, and Larry say it. How much more proof do you need ?? One, two, three more kicks at the can ??

The penalty on Kampf was legit and 100% of the blame is on him. I wonder what Foote said to him to make him give up the puck and raise his stick like he did.

 

[zeke]

Leafs management #1 quantifier to Ownership is the financial data $$$$$ not the player personnel or team data, or even the results.

In order to appease the MLSE board of directors it comes down to, is the team on the ice and the show its putting one keeping the investors, sponsor, shareholders. luxuary boss suite etc etc happy, and regardless of the results, is the arena full to capacity for each game, and are they maximizing revenue profits on addmision pricing all in a effort to grow the Leafs brand and increase the franchise value, through marketing and merchandising and all means available.

Here is the only true analytics that MLSE is concerned about...

Forbes 500 Fortune - Most valuable NHL franchises Dec 2021.

NHL Team Values 2021:

1. New York Rangers
• Value: $2 billion
• One-Year Change: +21%
• Five-Year Change: +60%
• Owner: Madison Square Garden Sports

2. Toronto Maple Leafs
• Value: $1.8 billion
• One-Year Change: +20%
• Five-Year Change: +64%
• Owner: Bell Canada, Rogers Communications, Larry Tanenbaum

NHL Team Values 2021: New York Rangers Become Hockey’s First $2 Billion Team

The ice is hot, with the average team value soaring 32% and the sale of the Pittsburgh Penguins for $900 million.

www.forbes.com

So all this management team needs to do is show that it provides professionalism, stability and competence and all on the same page, to ice what is believed to be a Cup competitive team, (which a playoff team does essentially), that keeps all that big $$ money following in and those happy to continue to do so.. Its all about what drives the franchise value price higher each year, and those analytics above, that show ownership under this management group according to Forbes at end of 2021, is valued 2nd among all teams and has seen a +64% increase in value to $1.8 billion, over the course of the last 5 years. (which included a pandemic) and empty arena.

That is why Larry Tanenbaum is so pleased with the results of his investment and sending the same message " Leafs are close and a Cup will come".

Fans calling balls and strikes on playoff game and series losses are missing the big picture, by a county mile as to what drives the MLSE machine. Leafs putting up a good fight and entertaining show against a Cup defending champ, and "earning respect" is all about messaging to a much higher audience than fans.

So mission accomplished everyone is staying, and playing the odds that eventually the playoff round wins will arrive because the talent on the ice allows for the possibility for it to happen, While fans are patiently waiting for those results to unfold, if your franchise value is seeing a +20% growth and revenue increase in asset value everyone in charge in ownership that determines the fate of management is safe is happy, then its status quo full speed ahead,

Winning cups will make MLSE much richer.

 

[ACC1224]

Refs may have allowed Tampa to tie it in game #6, but how did they prevent them from winning game #6 in O.T?? Stop with the excuses, this core and management team clearly is not capable of getting it done when it counts.

You cannot win the SC by putting it on the backs of this core (16,34,91,88,44,8) no matter how many times Shanny, Dubas, and Larry say it. How much more proof do you need ?? One, two, three more kicks at the can ??

Some are blaming the Refs now for the loss.

 

[ToneDog]

How much help does Tampa need?

While I agree refs were terrible, I still don't buy that they were the reason we lost. IMO Tampa's d and goalie were the difference from the 3rd period of game 6 and on. We saw another example last night where they pretty much did not allow the Rangers much in tight.

 

[ACC1224]

While I agree refs were terrible, I still don't buy that they were the reason we lost. IMO Tampa's d and goalie were the difference from the 3rd period of game 6 and on. We saw another example last night where they pretty much did not allow the Rangers much in tight.

as well, their bottom two lines blew away the Leafs bottom two.

 

[zeke]

While I agree refs were terrible, I still don't buy that they were the reason we lost. IMO Tampa's d and goalie were the difference from the 3rd period of game 6 and on. We saw another example last night where they pretty much did not allow the Rangers much in tight.

I don't think we allowed them anything more than they allowed us, refs aside.

 

[ACC1224]

TSN has a video clip in which Hayes. O’Dog and Noodles were discussing that with all the high profile unemployed head coaches (Cassidy, Torts, Trotz, Quennville, Tocchet, Tippett, DeBoer) out there whether Keefe should be replaced.

I can't imagine there are any fans left that don't believe Keefe should be replaced.

 

[ShaneFalco]

TSN has a video clip in which Hayes. O’Dog and Noodles were discussing that with all the high profile unemployed head coaches (Cassidy, Torts, Trotz, Quennville, Tocchet, Tippett, DeBoer) out there whether Keefe should be replaced.

Of course he should. But his buddy sees him as a future legend

 

[zeke]

as well, their bottom two lines blew away the Leafs bottom two.

Kucherov/Point/Stamkos: 6gls/16pts
Cirelli/Killorn/Palat: 4gls/10pts
Colton/Paul/Hagel: 6gls/13pts
Perry/Maroon/Bellemare: 4gls/4pts
Defense: 3gls/14pts

Matthews/Marner/Tavares: 9gls/23pts
Nylander/Bunting/Kerfoot: 5gls/12pts
Kampf/Mikheyev/Engvall: 4gls/9pts
Blackwell/Kase/Spezza: 1gls/6pts
Defesne: 5gls/15pts

 

[notbias]

I can't imagine there are any fans left that don't believe Keefe should be replaced.

I find it mind-boggling that the issue has persisted across two coaches and GMs and people think that if we get a coaching change, that will solve everything.

Also, Mike Johnson had the best take on this and basically said anyone wanting Keefe out is insane.

 

[Nineteen67]

I find it mind-boggling that the issue has persisted across two coaches and GMs and people think that if we get a coaching change, that will solve everything.

Also, Mike Johnson had the best take on this and basically said anyone wanting Keefe out is insane.

Mike Johnson isn’t a very good hockey analyst.

 

[notbias]

Mike Johnson isn’t a very good hockey analyst.

Better than our fanbase, that's for sure.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

It's not "all random", and you can certainly increase your chance of winning, and you can increase your preparation and give yourself more opportunities, but you cannot increase luck. That's, by definition, impossible.

A person who gets lucky will prepare and put themselves in good positions beforehand, and so when they get lucky, they think that the luck was a result of putting themselves in that good position, being prepared, creating opportunities, etc. However, those people forget that just as many people who do the exact same things you did, will not get lucky.

That's what luck is. It's not the preparation and the putting yourselves in good positions. It's the differing outcomes that still come from that.

If we took two teams that were exactly equally prepared and put themselves in the exact same great position, and gave themselves the exact same great opportunities, etc., and we pit them against each other in a playoff series, who wins and why?

They saw a decent player who could fill a role, like any other team with their players. They had no idea that he would score 2 goals in a game 7 they barely even got to. He has 7 points in 15 games, so he's not exactly busting the door down. And they spent a goldmine on Hagel, who has been pretty disappointing for them, so where was this magical machine that showed them the future with Paul when Hagel was being acquired? What if the refs aren't braindead and they don't hand them game 6, or the puck bounces around and one of the 9 OT shots we got went in, and they never get to game 7 for Paul to score 2 goals? How does the Paul acquisition look then? What if the refs aren't braindead again in game 7, and the game is tied and we win in OT? Both teams would have done the same everything that they did, but the outcome would be different.

If luck is just a fluke result...should we not have been lucky at least once? This is why you can't say that luck is the main issue...it's not. There is something functionally wrong with this team. It's either a problem with the core 4 who never seem to rise up and take the game over like Colorado or Edmonton's stars do...or it's preparation and team composition. It's just not bad luck. If it were that...we would have fluked off a series win by now. We set a record for futility by going 6 straight game 7 or equivalent losses in a row. That isn't luck...nobody else has managed that feat.

 

[All Mod Cons]

Better than our fanbase, that's for sure.

You shouldn't get so down on yourself. Also, there are a lot of fans that don't think the same as you, Dekes, Zekes, Fogulekes or Nyanderekes.

 

[Nineteen67]

Of course he should. But his buddy sees him as a future legend

It should be seriously considered. Trotz took Nashville to the SCF, won with Washington and turned NYI around and if they have at least talked to his agent then that’s a failure on their part.
I get the impression there‘s no way that Dubas would entertain bringing in an Alpha dog like Quenneville and would look at DeBoer if something happened to Keefe.

 

[francis246]

I find it mind-boggling that the issue has persisted across two coaches and GMs and people think that if we get a coaching change, that will solve everything.

Also, Mike Johnson had the best take on this and basically said anyone wanting Keefe out is insane.

I’m not advocating for the firing of Keefe, but I’m advocating for at least making sure he knows his job is not secure. I think as a management group you have to hold everyone in the organization to a high standard. Keefe has failed at the most important phase in the competition schedule 3 or 4 years in a row?

I think you have to at least EXPLORE the option of maybe replacing him if someone better can draw better results. That doesn’t mean that you should of course. But for them to come right out and give him a vote of confidence is crazy to me.