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You’re going to get that with a player as creative as he is. That creativity is what makes him a 100 plus point player. Have to accept the good with the bad. You neuter that and the team is much worse.
Thats a get out of jail excuse card.

I think MM should have a higher standard than that. IF he really wants to be the truly elite class of players, you just can't make those mistakes in a potential series deciding game. Kuch, Mack, Stamkos, Point, McD, Drai, Landy, even Kadri(he just gets penalty) none of them made those mistakes.

MM is an elite players but if he makes these mistakes, flipping the puck over the glass while being in the middle of the ice during PK or flipping the puck in OT again. Thats not good.
Put it this way, if Willie is the one who done those two things, most the board will be calling for his head right now.
 
So we Sakic maximizing his player's trade value (who btw Barrie has never matched his COL numbers since being traded) vs Dubas trading Kadri when his value would have not been as high.
Sakic was desperate for a center, and he had Makar emerging and had just drafted Byram 4th overall. He traded a strength for a weakness. Leafs needed a defenseman and a defensively responsible forward and PKer more than an offensive forward, so they also traded a strength for a weakness. There was no reason to believe Kadri's value would have increased from there as he got older and lost term.

And for the record, Barrie's career high P/GP was last year with Edmonton.
 
To Triple down on my point

2009 - Pittsburgh Penguins/Marc Andre Fleury (Drafted 1st OVR, 2003 by PIT) [$5mill cap hit that year]
2010 - Chicago Blackhawks/Antti Niemi (Undrafted, signed in 2008 and developed in AHL) [$800k cap hit that year]
2011 - Boston Bruins/Tim Thomas (Undrafted, signed in 2005 and developed in AHL) [$5mill cap hit that year]
2012 - Los Angeles Kings/Jonathan Quick (Drafted 72nd OVR, 2005 by LA) [$1.8 mill cap hit that year]
2013 - Chicago Blackhawks/Corey Crawford (52nd OVR, 2003 by CHI) [$2.66 mill cap hit that year]
2014 - Los Angeles Kings/Jonathan Quick (Drafted 72nd OVR, 2005 by LA) [$5.8 mill cap hit that year]
2015 - Chicago Blackhawks/Corey Crawford (52nd OVR, 2003 by CHI) [$6 mill cap hit that year]
2016 - Pittsburgh Penguins/Matt Murray (Drafted 83rd OVR, 2012 by PIT) [$600k cap hit that year]
2017 - Pittsburgh Penguins/Matt Murray & Marc Andre Fleury Split (Drafted 83rd OVR, 2012 by PIT) [$600k cap hit that year]
2018 - Washington Capitals/Braden Holtby (Drafted 93rd OVR by WSH) [6.1 mill cap hit that year]
2019 - St. Louis Blues/Jordan Binnington (Drafted 88th OVR by STL) [$650k cap hit that year]
2020 - Tampa Bay Lightning/Andrei Vasilevski (Drafted 19th OVR by TB) [$3.5 mill cap hit that year]
2021 - Tampa Bay Lightning/Andrei Vasilevski (Drafted 19th OVR by TB) [$9.5 mill cap hit that year]

Just a little bit of research goes to show you, if you want to win in the playoffs you better drafted and develop a goalie or sign one with potential and allow him to grow within your system. The cap hits fluctuated each year for the goalies. It really has nothing to do with cap hit. You don't need to spend a lot to get a goalie, you need to draft and develop one and preferably win your first cup while they are on a cheaper contract before you have to extend them because it's unlikely you're going back to the finals with them.

I hate going in on people, but I think you've been fairly wrong in your last few takes and I wanted to provide proof to support my claims.

I've also been doing some research. Did you know that the last three Cup winners all had a player named Patrick Maroon? Just goes to show you, if you want to win in the playoffs you better have a Patrick Maroon. The cap hits fluctuated, it really has nothing to do with cap hit. You just need a player named Patrick Maroon on your team.

So I've been thinking about our options to satisfy this condition that previous Cup winners had. We can trade for the original Patrick Maroon, but his NTC would probably complicate that. The easier solution might be to convince one of our own players to change their name to Patrick Maroon. That way we're still retrofitting our team around the parameters I've looked at on Cup winners and have decided are very important.

My first player to approach? Joey Anderson. Very generic name, does anyone really like being called Joey anyways? The Leafs promise him a 4th line spot if he undergoes the name change to become our Patrick Maroon. Now which team looks like a Cup favourite :naughty:

The only other option would be to consider that maybe correlation doesn't always equal causation, but that's not nearly as fun.
 
You missed the biggest one,. IMO

Dubas signed too few players, to too much money $$, and as a result Leaf Nation fans now sees too few playoff games. Its really that simple !!!

Its the situation the Leafs team find themselves annually as a result of greenhorn GM overpaying his star players to build a core, that results in only regular season success, but prevents a Cup competitive team, because you can't build successful depth around the core 4 forwards that consume 1/2 your salary cap.

Its the one constant the core 4, that remains the same each and every playoff loss, and its the one constant the GM refuses to address.

So when those core 4 do not show up in a game's boxscore, its expected your $1.65 mil 1A tandem goalie or your 3rd and 4th line players all making $1.5 mil or less playing for league minimum to bail the team out. So what is Dubas solution get a different goalie and move out some depth players and go bargain bin shopping for new ones and rinse and repeat, because you can't afford to keep your Hyman and Kadri type players for solid depth due strictly to Salary Cap mismanagement. So you tinker around the edges as busy work pretending it addresses the teams TRUE problem.

But why would Dubas change and address this, when its been shown year, after year, after year, that simply making the playoffs equals job security, for the President, the GM and the coach, and the playoff results don't matter?


Dubas has put himself in a tough and almost unmanageable, lose-lose situation.

Your top 4 players just can't make up almost half the cap it's just too hard to maneuver around that. But what are the solutions?

Trade Nylander: Trading a ppg winger making under 7M who is just as good as the 11M players in the playoffs just doesn't seem like a great idea. Especially for a team that needs to extract as much value as possible because you have 33M tied up to three guys. It's an option for sure and probably the most likely to happen, but at best it seems like it would be a lateral move, at worst you have another Kadri situation.

Trade Tavares: Yeah you can scratch that off the list. The team would never approach the Captain and discuss a potential trade with him. And even if they somehow had the balls to do it, 0% chance JT waives his NTC. JT will play out the remaining contract here at a minimum. You just have to hope that the Leafs being nice with JT now means when his contract is up he'll accept league minimum to be a third line faceoff specialist.

Trade Marner: Makes sense from a cap rebalancing perspective, but this franchise was starved for elite talent for so long. Honestly Mitch might be the best Leaf since Sundin (not including Matthews). That's a piece that is very very hard to trade away. He's great EV, on the PP, on the PK and has an unbelievable (regular season) connection with the most skilled Leaf to ever don the jersey. You only trade Mitch for ridiculous haul i.e. a bonafide top two defense man, top 6 forward, and quality third line Power Forward. Maybe add a pick in their too.

Trade Matthews: Lol. Leafs wouldn't even entertain it unless he vocally says he isn't resigning. Even then, the whole Leaf brass probably flies over to Arizona to do and say whatever is necessary to get him to stay.

Truely tough position to be in. And while it's easy to blame Dubas (I think he definitely deserves a good chunk of blame) he was a green GM and backed into a corner.

Hindsight is 20/20 but if you believed in what you had with Matthews, Marner, and Nylander you don't just go sign 11M dollar forwards. Saying that, time is of the essence when you have stars on ELC and the signing of JT was under the assumption of a rising Salary Cap. Dubbie got screwed in that regard.

Dubas held firm on the Nylander signing and took it to the 11th hour. While he didn't get the number he wanted he still ended up getting a great deal for Nylander. I think you can chalk that up as a success.

Marner contract. Regular season Marner I have no issues with his contract. Playoff Marner.... Would much rather see that number at 9 then just under 11. We saw some dirty tactics from the Marner camp and honestly Mitch's deal is one I wouldn't mind if it went to the 11th hour as well. It might be New GM suicide for Dubas to do that two years in a row with a couple of your best players though.

Matthews is a generational goal scoring number 1 centre. He was going to get whatever he reasonably wanted.

It would have been nice if M,M and N took the McDavid route and signed long term, team friendly deals to help really build a winner here, but you can't blame athletes trying to make as much money in their job as possible while they're still young. You also look at McDavid who's about to get swept in the Conference Finals and wonder if he's happy he took a discount to play in Edmonton.

Anyway, tough spot to be in Dubas. No 100% clear cut solutions. Will be interesting to see what happens.
 
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I've also been doing some research. Did you know that the last three Cup winners all had a player named Patrick Maroon? Just goes to show you, if you want to win in the playoffs you better have a Patrick Maroon. The cap hits fluctuated, it really has nothing to do with cap hit. You just need a player named Patrick Maroon on your team.

So I've been thinking about our options to satisfy this condition that previous Cup winners had. We can trade for the original Patrick Maroon, but his NTC would probably complicate that. The easier solution might be to convince one of our own players to change their name to Patrick Maroon. That way we're still retrofitting our team around the parameters I've looked at on Cup winners and have decided are very important.

My first player to approach? Joey Anderson. Very generic name, does anyone really like being called Joey anyways? The Leafs promise him a 4th line spot if he undergoes the name change to become our Patrick Maroon. Now which team looks like a Cup favourite :naughty:

The only other option would be to consider that maybe correlation doesn't always equal causation, but that's not nearly as fun.

So you’re telling me there is no correlation to the fact that Stanley cup winners have drafted and developed their own goaltenders? It’s allll coincidence?

While I can see where some may have that premise, I do think there is an argument to be made that you’re far more likely to have success with a guy you develop than not. I don’t get why you have to be a dick about it. Say you think it’s coincidence and move on.
 
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Boston fired Cassidy. Rightfully so

That's what you get for not being the fastest coach to 100 wins.


Sure he went to the finals and multiple 2nd round but has he ever really gotten the respect on the handshake line ?

What does Boston know about winning and getting the most out of their players ? They are not being accountable, they are so mean. Bunch of meanies

Good thing we have Kyle. A good human being who is also a friend. I wish I had a friend like Kyle
 
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I wish Dubas had Masai’s balls.

If he did, Cassidy would be hired tomorrow.

Ujiri: Fires the NBA Coach of the Year who was Raptors HC for 7 years and was in charge of the team through arguably their most successful stretch of basketball in team history; namely due to being inflexible and the team getting fairly stale. Replaces him with a complete rookie with zero prior NBA HC experience but had some success at lower levels including a D-League Championship and had a more modern coaching style. Apparently a genius.

Dubas: Fires one of the most prestigious HC's in NHL history after he slumps to start a season; many struggles due to being inflexible. Replaces him with a rookie NHL head coach with a good amount of success at other levels, including a recent AHL championship, and had a more modern coaching style. Apparently does not have balls and generally seen as an imbecile.

It is crazy what one lucky bounce can do in the eyes of Toronto sports fans I guess.
 
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Boston's bad GM scapegoats his very good coach and Leaf fans wish we were more like Boston.

You are correct. Why would we want to be like a team that's made the Finals twice, Won a Stanly Cup and been the gold standard for consistency for last decade. How dare we try to be anything like that or level up our expecations?

No of course not. We should be more friendlier, give everyone a new first job because we are the new McDonalds of hockey.

Boston would have fired Cassidy if he had lost to a Zamboni driver. Keefe should have been fired after collapse against the Habs

No sir. Show me those numbers... How Keefe is just skyrocketing and he's the McDavid of hockey coaches
 
You are correct. Why would we want to be like a team that's made the Finals twice, Won a Stanly Cup and been the gold standard for consistency for last decade. How dare we try to be anything like that or level up our expecations?

No of course not. We should be more friendlier, give everyone a new first job because we are the new McDonalds of hockey.

Boston would have fired Cassidy if he had lost to a Zamboni driver. Keefe should have been fired after collapse against the Habs

No sir. Show me those numbers... How Keefe is just skyrocketing and he's the McDavid of hockey coaches

It's crazy how our fans want the scraps of other well-run teams, you'd think if it isn't good for a losing team like Boston, it isn't good enough for us.
 
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Okay, so we were 3rd best defensively, and are really good offensively as well. So why are we still unable to get by the 1st round? Was it because of the core 4 (the ones Dubas will live and die with)? Was it because of Campbell, who fared quite well in the series? Was it our defence (some might argue that Liljegren rather than Holl should have been playing)? Was it the players we obtained before the season began? We better go deep in the playoffs with this core and management team sooner rather than later, because we’re starting to run out of excuses for them.
To be honest, I think the big issue with the Leafs in these elimination games is that they stop playing their game and start trying to play shutdown-style hockey. The Leafs are at their most effective when they're attacking, but in elimination games they seem to spend most of the game trying to avoid making mistakes when they should be pressing, like they do in any other game.
 
It's crazy how our fans want the scraps of other well-run teams, you'd think if it isn't good for a losing team like Boston, it isn't good enough for us.

Boston IMO is going to retool with bergeron potentially retiring and serious injuries on the roster that wouldn't start the season until around december or so.

I think boston is in the bedard sweepstakes and will tank next season and sell of a bit too.
 
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Boston IMO is going to retool with bergeron potentially retiring and serious injuries on the roster that wouldn't start the season until around december or so.

I think boston is in the bedard sweepstakes and will tank next season and sell of a bit too.

That's not a good way to spend your best player's last few years and also might be hard to keep your second-best player who is a year from free agency
 
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I see a lot of guys who’ve advanced past round 1 on that list! Keefe hasn’t tho

Ujiri: Fires the NBA Coach of the Year who was Raptors HC for 7 years and was in charge of the team through arguably their most successful stretch of basketball in team history; namely due to being inflexible and the team getting fairly stale. Replaces him with a complete rookie with zero prior NBA HC experience but had some success at lower levels including a D-League Championship and had a more modern coaching style. Apparently a genius.

Dubas: Fires one of the most prestigious HC's in NHL history after he slumps to start a season; many struggles due to being inflexible. Replaces him with a rookie NHL head coach with a good amount of success at other levels, including a recent AHL championship, and had a more modern coaching style. Apparently does not have balls and generally seen as an imbecile.

It is crazy what one lucky bounce can do in the eyes of Toronto sports fans I guess.

The thing is the lucky bounce didn’t win the raptors the championship. They rallied after that bounce and believed they could really win a championship after that. They still had to win two series after that bounce. Also you have to credit the coaches for drawing up a play that got Kawhi open for the shot in the first place. Nurse completely revamped the way the team played and their mindset towards winning.

Im not sure the same can be said about Keefe, the players mindset hasn’t changed all that much.
 
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