Confirmed with Link: Shanahan, Dubas, Keefe all staying

[Dekes For Days]

i think gms also care if the goalie has a groin left

If GMs limited their goalies to ones that haven't experienced a groin injury before, they probably wouldn't be able to fill out a team.

 

[Dreakmur]

If GMs limited their goalies to ones that haven't experienced a groin injury before, they probably wouldn't be able to fill out a team.

Maybe they’ll just limit themselves to one’s that didn’t just miss half of last season with three separate groin problems injuries…

 

[fahad203]

Gallant, takes a team that missed the playoffs last year into the CF

Keefe....... Got respect at the handshakes

 

[keonsbitterness]

It hasn't. We are in the 2021-2022 season, which is year 4. Teams are still playing. The offseason has not started. It's extremely rare for anything other than minor re-signings to happen at this time of year. We have no idea how the goaltending position will look next year at this point.

I mean, the media did most of the screwing up on it. There was some confusion when it was still being voted on, but the NHL established that it was the playoffs pretty clearly after that. But the media seemed to ignore that and sent mixed messaging. And they kept incorrectly calling it "playoff qualifiers", which gives the wrong impression and led to people thinking the "qualifier" part referred to the playoffs. In the end, we can dislike it all we want, but the NHL gets to decide.

It obviously has for teams no longer playing even if we all understand major moves come later. They're not sitting quietly until the Cup gets awarded.

Sure, it's all the media's fault. Meanwhile, the first hit on Google for "nhl.com 2020 playoffs" takes you directly to the league's 2020 Stanley Cup playoffs page, where the qualifiers/qualifying round doesn't even appear!

Official Site of the National Hockey League | NHL.com

The official National Hockey League website including news, rosters, stats, schedules, teams, and video.

www.nhl.com

 

[capfit9]

If GMs limited their goalies to ones that haven't experienced a groin injury before, they probably wouldn't be able to fill out a team.

playing a grand total of 32 games the last two years for a 30 year old goalie that relies on athleticism with an injury history and an almost $4 million cap hit in a flat cap salary. GMs will look elsewhere maybe even Europe or their own prospects.

 

[ToneDog]

How about drafting and developing a proper goalie. We haven't had a proper goalie since Belfour

Lou found the last one in Andersen, except Andy went south once Lou left.

Gallant, takes a team that missed the playoffs last year into the CF

Keefe....... Got respect at the handshakes

Wow, the Strangers have now passed us since they wrote that letter to their fans. How many wanted Gallant? How many want Trotz? The boy wonder wants Keefer.

 

[Gabriel426]

Sundin might be a model in the way Jason Spezza is a model. That is you don’t have forever to make your mark and this Leafs core needs to play with more urgency and desperation every night in the playoffs.

2-2 going home when you could have made it 3-1 is not mission accomplished. Emptying the tank is the minimum buy in and even then it might not be good enough.

I just look back on Spezza’s early career and I dunno how those young core guys aren’t haunted by that possibility. Just think of the kind of regret you’d have knowing you played too scared when you were young, didn’t come prepared, and thought you had all the time in the world. We’re fans and we’ll always be here to cheer on the next core and whatever but these guys only have one career.

Our boys played with Marleau, Jumbo and Spezza. All three had great careers and most likely first ballot HOF but none of them won a Cup. The fact that if our boys still have not learn time is always ticking and there might be NO next year, I really don't know what else to say.
Having said that, I think the kids learned and Gio resigning where he could pretty much sign with any teams including TB, means Gio thinks and believes the boys can take the next step.

Lou found the last one in Andersen, except Andy went south once Lou left.


Wow, the Strangers have now passed us since they wrote that letter to their fans. How many wanted Gallant? How many want Trotz?

Imagine we ended up with Torts?

 

[ToneDog]

Our boys played with Marleau, Jumbo and Spezza. All three had great careers and most likely first ballot HOF but none of them won a Cup. The fact that if our boys still have not learn time is always ticking and there might be NO next year, I really don't know what else to say.
Having said that, I think the kids learned and Gio resigning where he could pretty much sign with any teams including TB, means Gio thinks and believes the boys can take the next step.


Imagine we ended up with Torts?

Torts is worse than Babs. Gotta give Dubes credit for avoiding him and sticking with his buddy.

 

[Gabriel426]

Torts is worse than Babs. Gotta give Dubes credit for avoiding him and sticking with his buddy.

I agree. Torts is a good coach for a vet team.
Trotz would be a good coach for the current Leafs.

 

[Nineteen67]

1. Dubas has made the playoffs every single year of his career as GM.
2. We are still in year 4. Year 5 has not started yet.
3. I'm not sure why you think we're the only team to ever want to sign a goalie, why you think this is somehow a bad thing, or why you think that's the entirety of our "plan".

Remember they lost the play in series to get to the 16. They were kind of lucky the season got cancelled and didn’t really deserve the playoffs.

We all knew theyd need a goalie before their window to win opened. Going into yr 5 he doesn’t have one. And it looks like he’ll have to pay someone to take last year’s mistake off his hands.

The mismanaged cap allocation makes life difficult for Dubas.

 

[Stephen]

Our boys played with Marleau, Jumbo and Spezza. All three had great careers and most likely first ballot HOF but none of them won a Cup. The fact that if our boys still have not learn time is always ticking and there might be NO next year, I really don't know what else to say.
Having said that, I think the kids learned and Gio resigning where he could pretty much sign with any teams including TB, means Gio thinks and believes the boys can take the next step.


Imagine we ended up with Torts?

Gio actually has a lot less playoff experience than you’d imagine, but I you can only take his choosing to stay as a vote of confidence.

I think when it comes to building more championship winning experience you just need to be more selective in finding those veterans who have actually gone on deep runs and have that playoff type. Jumbo, Spezza and Marleau were definitely three guys who didn’t get it done in the playoffs.

Got to get those Jeff Carter types when they’re available.

 

[Gabriel426]

Gio actually has a lot less playoff experience than you’d imagine, but I you can only take his choosing to stay as a vote of confidence.

I think when it comes to building more championship winning experience you just need to be more selective in finding those veterans who have actually gone on deep runs and have that playoff type. Jumbo, Spezza and Marleau were definitely three guys who didn’t get it done in the playoffs.

Got to get those Jeff Carter types when they’re available.

It goes back to Championship DNA, Clutch and Killer Instincts.
I think Muzzin is the only one that won Cup on the Leafs team.
I don’t recall TB having any players who won Cup when they first won two seasons ago and same can be said about the Blues three seasons ago.
I don’t think the Jeff Carter type is a must have.
But players need to learn that there is no tomorrow and every game is Win or go home in the playoffs.
There is no, we will do it next season…. And I think MGT needs to send that message too. This year is out best shot, let’s take it….

 

[rocketman588]

I'm sure we all have that thought from time to time - why can't we play like that every night. But the reality is that every team has good and bad games, even TB.

OK so we outhit TB, unless you don't count our best game in which case TB outhit us. Doesn't change the fact that soooooooo many people have been saying that they outhit us during the (entire) series and they were either lying, or they were ignorant. Hatred's obscuring a lot of facts lately, and that's a fact.

That's blocked shots not hits I apologise

 

[deprw]

Yeah I think so too. It seems like for several years now, people have been saying when the season ends that there's no way we can ice a good team around the core with the cap limitations and every summer, Dubas finds a way to make it happen. I agree we got completely hosed by covid so the question is, would it have been better to adjust by moving on from one of the core guys? It's a tough question, I guess I could argue it either way.

I think it boils into question, can we use that cap better than keeping Nylander or Marner. At least I think it was last summer, when we should have had pretty bad urgency to get better. Acquiring elite players in this league is almost impossible. You either draft them or trade for them early on their career, but usually if player has that kind of potential he isn't traded.

Tampa has 3 guys at 9.5, and none of them play the same position.

Which takes me to this point, that Tampa had been lucky to be able to draft studs like Hedman and Vasilevsky to right positions. There isn't that much Hedman like defenseman or goalies like Vasilevsky that get paid 9,5million. During cap era Bobrovsky, Lundqvist, Price and Vasilevsky? Do I forget someone.

I think that is the reason that we have Tavares here or still haven't traded Nylander. You can't get that kind of pieces and if you trade em it's dollar for four 20c.

Easy answer is that you can use that cap space on UFA market, but it's pretty rare that you get elite piece from there and if you do you pay premium. So those cap dollars aren't that cost effective.

And I still think we should make changes. It's just productive to try to understand logic behind these moves, if there is it's more explanation than excuse. Also in this case you can understand Babcock's stance to draft Hanifin for being that stud defenseman, but we rightly so took Marner and now we have elite winger. Or it's understandable that we went after Tavares.

 

[deprw]

President I think is safe no matter what. Sooner or later the GM and coach will get axed without playoff success. Dubas isn't getting ten years in this market.

Yeah, my stance isn't keeping Dubas forever. Sometimes change is needed and sometimes you find better option. Though I think it's curious that if you want to be perennial contender one common denominator is steady and bit stagnant front office. It haven't materialized in Nashville or San Jose, but Detroit went with Devellanos group long time, Tampa has Yzerman's build still there, Capitals actually took their second man after McPhee.

This whole discussion has gone back and worth from idolizing Ovie as leader, to Sundin's years and to these recent failures. I think we have now at least direction we didn't have during 90s when we had limitless resources and we didn't scout, draft or develop that well. I think we're using those resources now and it takes time to build those systems and once they're running it will benefit us for long time. Can't do that if you change guard after every four or five years.

It seems like our organization is working nicely behind the scenes and I think that is good reason for Matthews to sign. If we put this into turmoil it adds chaos and slows down our build, which might run our stars away. More likely than keeping this process intact and backing them up.

All great things take years to build and in hockey world there are examples like Lou's Devils or Devellano's Wings.

 

[deprw]

Gallant, takes a team that missed the playoffs last year into the CF

Keefe....... Got respect at the handshakes

Gallant faces team with their #1 goalie on net in 1/14 games. They'd be out if Trouba wouldn't have troubaed Crosby in the face with his chicken wing. Accidentally or not.

Fun fact: Carolina trusted Andersen to be their #1 guy!

 

[tokyoite]

Pietrangelo is the only one that comes to mind. But of course we didn't have the cap space to sign him and even if we did, it wouldn't make sense to assume he would choose us. If I get your meaning then I agree, you draft BPA and go from there but at the same time, it's always possible to make trades.


LOL. You said a bunch of things so not sure what you mean by "it".

Here's a quick recap - I said teams change every year, you asked what change and I told you to look at the rosters (which change every year).

Then you said "I'm not asking about the roster". That's true, all you asked was "what change" and again, I gave you an answer, even if it's not one that you like.

Maybe you should go back and reread what was said, it looks like you got lost somewhere.

I am a japanese. forgive me for lack of grammar.

 

[ACC1224]

I agree. Torts is a good coach for a vet team.
Trotz would be a good coach for the current Leafs.

I can’t imagine anyone think Torterella would be a good choice here. No doubt Keefe should have been relieved. Trotz would be an excellent add but where they really missed out on was Gallant.

 

[Gabriel426]

I can’t imagine anyone think Torterella would be a good choice here. No doubt Keefe should have been relieved. Trotz would be an excellent add but where they really missed out on was Gallant.

I think when Gallant was first available, Keefe only started for a few weeks.
I will just be happy with Trotz

 

[Racer88]

I doubt Torts would be beaming with pride at his losers press conference that they got respect in the handshake

 

[ACC1224]

I think when Gallant was first available, Keefe only started for a few weeks.
I will just be happy with Trotz

Yeah it was bad timing. Life as a Leaf fan.

 

[Captain Crunch]

If GMs limited their goalies to ones that haven't experienced a groin injury before, they probably wouldn't be able to fill out a team.

Maybe the difference being how many times they’ve had that injury.

 

[Gary Nylund]

I am a japanese. forgive me for lack of grammar.

No worries, your grammar is fine.

Yeah, my stance isn't keeping Dubas forever. Sometimes change is needed and sometimes you find better option. Though I think it's curious that if you want to be perennial contender one common denominator is steady and bit stagnant front office. It haven't materialized in Nashville or San Jose, but Detroit went with Devellanos group long time, Tampa has Yzerman's build still there, Capitals actually took their second man after McPhee.

This whole discussion has gone back and worth from idolizing Ovie as leader, to Sundin's years and to these recent failures. I think we have now at least direction we didn't have during 90s when we had limitless resources and we didn't scout, draft or develop that well. I think we're using those resources now and it takes time to build those systems and once they're running it will benefit us for long time. Can't do that if you change guard after every four or five years.

It seems like our organization is working nicely behind the scenes and I think that is good reason for Matthews to sign. If we put this into turmoil it adds chaos and slows down our build, which might run our stars away. More likely than keeping this process intact and backing them up.

All great things take years to build and in hockey world there are examples like Lou's Devils or Devellano's Wings.

Great post! We're all unhappy and frustrated with these seemingly endless playoff failures but it's important to step back and look at the big picture.

 

[Dekes For Days]

It obviously has for teams no longer playing even if we all understand major moves come later.

It obviously hasn't. It is still the 2021-2022 season. Teams do not operate within different seasons at the same time. You could say we are in a different phase of year 4, but it's still year 4. More importantly, we're nowhere close to having the year 5 roster established, so I'm not sure why people are talking about the goalie situation as if it's done.

Sure, it's all the media's fault. Meanwhile, the first hit on Google for "nhl.com 2020 playoffs" takes you directly to the league's 2020 Stanley Cup playoffs page, where the qualifiers/qualifying round doesn't even appear!

They're not going to completely remake the playoffs section of their website at the last minute in the middle of a pandemic, just for a one-off. They are extremely clear that it's the playoffs in their playoff format section. Again, like it or not, the NHL gets to decide.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Remember they lost the play in series to get to the 16.

Yes, but they still made the playoffs.

They were kind of lucky the season got cancelled and didn’t really deserve the playoffs.

That's not true in the slightest. The rest of the season (which was below average QoC) got cancelled right when our completely decimated defense was finally getting healthy, and the lesser games just meant that Babcock's horrific start counted for more. The team was top-16 in the league and top-8 in the conference, and were on the rise if anything. They absolutely deserved to be in the playoffs, under any format.

We all knew theyd need a goalie before their window to win opened.

We've had goalies this whole time, and our window has been open.

Going into yr 5 he doesn’t have one.

He does have a goalie, and we're pre-offseason. There's 4-5 months to establish the goaltending for year 5.

And it looks like he’ll have to pay someone to take last year’s mistake off his hands.

Mrazek is a good platoon goalie, and there was reported interested fairly recently. If we choose to move on, it's unlikely to cost a significant amount, if anything.

The mismanaged cap allocation makes life difficult for Dubas.

Our cap allocation isn't mismanaged at all. The pandemic-induced flat cap has made life difficult for the overwhelming majority of GMs, but Dubas has maneuvered through it extremely well.