Confirmed with Link: Shanahan, Dubas, Keefe all staying

[Dekes For Days]

Lost 3 round 1 and missed the playoffs once. Yr 5 and his plan is to hope to find a goalie.

1. Dubas has made the playoffs every single year of his career as GM.
2. We are still in year 4. Year 5 has not started yet.
3. I'm not sure why you think we're the only team to ever want to sign a goalie, why you think this is somehow a bad thing, or why you think that's the entirety of our "plan".

 

[HockeyVirus]

As far as being top heavy goes, I believe if you add up the cap hits for the top 5 players on both teams, TB and Toronto were pretty close last year. One of those teams is the class of the league so that would seem to indicate that being top heavy might not be such a bad thing.

However, the fact that 4 out of top 5 (and the top 4) for Toronto were all forwards whereas TB is better balanced, might be one reason why it's working out better for them than for us.

There hasn't been a UFA D or goalie it made sense to overpay has there? Hedman and Vasi were drafted. Not every build will go the same as the pieces are different

 

[rocketman588]

1. Dubas has made the playoffs every single year of his career as GM.
2. We are still in year 4. Year 5 has not started yet.
3. I'm not sure why you think we're the only team to ever want to sign a goalie, why you think this is somehow a bad thing, or why you think that's the entirety of our "plan".

Interesting because in the past you argued that we really hadn't lost multiple playoff series in a row because they didn't make the playoffs in the bubble

 

[Nylanderthal]

Tampa has 3 guys at 9.5

That’s literally what I said.

 

[tokyoite]

You asked (and I quote you directly) - what change?

The answer I gave you is perfectly valid but if it doesn't suit your purposes, then next time maybe ask a more specific question.

I already said it. Pls read it carefully.

 

[Captain Crunch]

We have a healthy NHL caliber goalie signed. Both Campbell and Mrazek are NHL caliber goalies, and Campbell is healthy. Mrazek probably is too by this point. But we don't need a goalie again until after an entire offseason anyway.

Even if Mrazek is healthy, and that’s a big if, it’s almost a given that he’ll be spending a fair amount of time on the IR. Not a good position to be in, paying an injury-prone goalie $3.8 million for 2 more years.

 

[Gary Nylund]

There hasn't been a UFA D or goalie it made sense to overpay has there? Hedman and Vasi were drafted. Not every build will go the same as the pieces are different

Pietrangelo is the only one that comes to mind. But of course we didn't have the cap space to sign him and even if we did, it wouldn't make sense to assume he would choose us. If I get your meaning then I agree, you draft BPA and go from there but at the same time, it's always possible to make trades.

I already said it. Pls read it carefully.

LOL. You said a bunch of things so not sure what you mean by "it".

Here's a quick recap - I said teams change every year, you asked what change and I told you to look at the rosters (which change every year).

Then you said "I'm not asking about the roster". That's true, all you asked was "what change" and again, I gave you an answer, even if it's not one that you like.

Maybe you should go back and reread what was said, it looks like you got lost somewhere.

 

[Dreakmur]

That’s literally what I said.

I suppose if you edit my post to cut my sentence in half.....

 

[Dekes For Days]

Interesting because in the past you argued that we really hadn't lost multiple playoff series in a row because they didn't make the playoffs in the bubble

I've never said anything remotely close to that. Please don't lie about me. I've always said that we made the playoffs, because it's literal, inarguable fact.

 

[BrannigansLaw]

Rangers blocking shots everywhere

 

[Drytoast]

Yet the previous two years we faced Columbus and Montreal, still lost.
The year before we had a 3-2 lead on the Bruins, lost.
This year, we all know.

Yes, it's tough but I find it impossible to justify or rationalize when a team has 3-2, 3-1 and 3-2 series leads over the past four years, loses all three, and in the other round they didn't manage an even-strength goal in four of the five games.

When the Lightning got swept by the Blue Jackets (a better Columbus team than the Leafs face - the former had Panarin, Duchene and Bobrovsky btw) they not only brought in the right players but the existing roster bought in. According to Nylander, the Leafs are "slowly" getting there. It took Tampa one year to figure it out. The Leafs? Significantly longer than one year, and counting.

And the eyes in my head tell me we didn't play the same way we did against Montreal and Columbus. We competed and left everything out there. That's all I could ask for.

If Colorado and Tampa faced each other in the first round...one of them is losing. Doesn't mean that team sucks and needs to shake everything down. It just means that they lost in a close match against an equal opponent.

There is NO TEAM you could field right now by shaking up the Leafs and trading to get your dream trades off or GM or Coach that would give a better than 50 percent chance of beating Tampa this year. So then you are just making changes to make changes because you are emotional.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Even if Mrazek is healthy, and that’s a big if, it’s almost a given that he’ll be spending a fair amount of time on the IR. Not a good position to be in, paying an injury-prone goalie $3.8 million for 2 more years.

I mean, that's not a given at all, and who knows if he'll even be on the team past this year. The point is there's an entire offseason before we need a goalie again, so why don't we wait to see what happens before just randomly making assumptions.

 

[notbias]

Rangers blocking shots everywhere

We blocked more shots than Tampa and shot more than them. Why do people keep saying "blocked shots" like we didn't?

 

[Gary Nylund]

We blocked more shots than Tampa and shot more than them. Why do people keep saying "blocked shots" like we didn't?

Wow, is that really true? I never looked it up and just assumed TB blocked more cause people kept saying it as if it meant our guys have no guts or will to win or WE. Pretty embarrassing for the haters if true. LOL

 

[rocketman588]

I've never said anything remotely close to that. Please don't lie about me. I've always said that we made the playoffs, because it's literal, inarguable fact.

Well this was literally your argument so maybe you need to stop twisting yourself into knots to defend your boy.

You don't even remember your nonsensical arguments anymore

 

[keonsbitterness]

Ovie was the big reason that team didn't win. He was full on scorer and offensive player. Wasn't going to change, once he was outclassed in Olympics he stagnated for two years and after that slowly figured it out what it meant to be effective player in playoffs in this league. There have been terrible clips him not defending at all and before he hit 30 I don't he actually knew how to play defense.

It's easy to build that narrative for him after he won, but before that he was perennial loser. Great scorer though, but not a winner. I also think winning in WHC helped him eventually to get looser as player.

Ovie is a modern day Bobby Hull -- a one-time Cup winner who otherwise chokes a lot in the playoffs and only cares about scoring. But at least Ovie has never beat up a woman with a stiletto heel.

Anyone that is afraid of Matthews leaving after his contract is up. You think that changing Team President, GM and coach he knows and creating year or two turmoil inside organization, which probably means some kind of roster turnover would more likely keep him here? Meaning we change the people he knows and trusts to trade away his buddies and that is strategy to keep him?

If we fail after that, it could sour out that relationship pretty badly. If his top player he believes in himself and his teammates and making drastic changes basicly tells him that team doesn't.

I'm not saying that this is reason to keep our office intact, but just something to think about.

President I think is safe no matter what. Sooner or later the GM and coach will get axed without playoff success. Dubas isn't getting ten years in this market.

2. We are still in year 4. Year 5 has not started yet.

It definitely has for the Leafs. There are no restrictions against trades right now even if they're rare, and no doubt Dubas is talking to other GMs.

I've never said anything remotely close to that. Please don't lie about me. I've always said that we made the playoffs, because it's literal, inarguable fact.

I'll argue just to criticize the NHL because it was stupidly decided to call them Stanley Cup qualifiers instead of a preliminary round. Logic says you can't qualify for a Stanley Cup playoff if you're already IN a playoff. Even the NHL was ambiguous at first before clarifying it was one 24-team playoff. Horrible p.r. exercise by the league.

 

[rocketman588]

Wow, is that really true? I never looked it up and just assumed TB blocked more cause people kept saying it as if it meant our guys have no guts or will to win or WE. Pretty embarrassing for the haters if true. LOL

Game 7 26-13 tampa
Game 6 21-21
Game 5 16-7 Tampa
Game 4 21-8 leafs
Game 3 17-9 leafs
Game 2 17-8 TB
Game 1 26-10 leafs

We played dicks out game one. Honestly if we bottle that we probably win the cup idk why we can't reach that effort level every playoff game

 

[Racer88]

Tampa has 3 guys at 9.5, and none of them play the same position.

Bingo……..that is the real story. Dubas created a poorly balanced team by having 3 -11 million dollar forwards

 

[Captain Crunch]

I mean, that's not a given at all, and who knows if he'll even be on the team past this year. The point is there's an entire offseason before we need a goalie again, so why don't we wait to see what happens before just randomly making assumptions.

Yes, I’m sure it’s going to be an interesting offseason.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Game 7 26-13 tampa
Game 6 21-21
Game 5 16-7 Tampa
Game 4 21-8 leafs
Game 3 17-9 leafs
Game 2 17-8 TB
Game 1 26-10 leafs

We played dicks out game one. Honestly if we bottle that we probably win the cup idk why we can't reach that effort level every playoff game

I'm sure we all have that thought from time to time - why can't we play like that every night. But the reality is that every team has good and bad games, even TB.

OK so we outhit TB, unless you don't count our best game in which case TB outhit us. Doesn't change the fact that soooooooo many people have been saying that they outhit us during the (entire) series and they were either lying, or they were ignorant. Hatred's obscuring a lot of facts lately, and that's a fact.

 

[mcleex]

How about drafting and developing a proper goalie. We haven't had a proper goalie since Belfour

 

[Dekes For Days]

It definitely has for the Leafs. There are no restrictions against trades right now even if they're rare, and no doubt Dubas is talking to other GMs.

It hasn't. We are in the 2021-2022 season, which is year 4. Teams are still playing. The offseason has not started. It's extremely rare for anything other than minor re-signings to happen at this time of year. We have no idea how the goaltending position will look next year at this point.

I'll argue just to criticize the NHL because it was stupidly decided to call them Stanley Cup qualifiers instead of a preliminary round. Logic says you can't qualify for a Stanley Cup playoff if you're already IN a playoff. Even the NHL was ambiguous at first before clarifying it was one 24-team playoff. Horrible p.r. exercise by the league.

I mean, the media did most of the screwing up on it. There was some confusion when it was still being voted on, but the NHL established that it was the playoffs pretty clearly after that. But the media seemed to ignore that and sent mixed messaging. And they kept incorrectly calling it "playoff qualifiers", which gives the wrong impression and led to people thinking the "qualifier" part referred to the playoffs. In the end, we can dislike it all we want, but the NHL gets to decide.

 

[capfit9]

I mean, that's not a given at all, and who knows if he'll even be on the team past this year. The point is there's an entire offseason before we need a goalie again, so why don't we wait to see what happens before just randomly making assumptions.

if he’s not on the team then it probably cost you a significant asset (prospect, pick or cap space)

 

[Dekes For Days]

if he’s not on the team then it probably cost you a significant asset (prospect, pick or cap space)

It's unlikely it would cost a significant asset to move. Teams were reported to be interested near the trade deadline, the goalie market isn't super abundant this year, and despite what some people on here think, GMs look at a bigger sample of play than the most recent 20 games.

Well this was literally your argument

No, it quite literally wasn't. I have never said anything remotely close to that. I have always said that it was the playoffs, because the NHL very explicitly says it's the playoffs, and they're the ones who decide. I don't know whether you're mistaking me for somebody else, or whether you're intentionally lying, but I'll ask you again nicely to please stop misrepresenting me. I welcome you to try to find evidence of me saying what you claim. You won't.

 

[capfit9]

It's unlikely it would cost a significant asset to move. Teams were reported to be interested near the trade deadline, the goalie market isn't super abundant this year, and despite what some people on here think, GMs look at a bigger sample of play than the most recent 20 games.

i think gms also care if the goalie has a groin left