Confirmed with Link: Shanahan, Dubas, Keefe all staying

[Nineteen67]

If Alex Ovechkin is to Washington, what our Auston Matthews is to Toronto then the personnel is more than suitable.

This current personnel is 0-10 in series clinching games, and 0-6 in round #1 losses, so perhaps this personnel is not suitable to winning.

This management team along with this player personnel is rather prone to losing, so that is the issue I'm attempting to address here.

After Canada came back yesterday and against Sweden, it reminded me of several Canadian teams over the years, and past Leafs teams, that would fight and claw in desperation to score. This core doesn’t do that.

Our cap allocations are fine, and we have one of the best teams in the league and are improving each year - no need to "catch lightning" any more than any team needs to to win the cup. The pandemic-induced cap stagnation and the timing of it has meant that we spend a bit more on our top forwards, but they're also well worth that money, and we've done an excellent job filling out the team's depth and drastically improving the defense despite this and despite the lack of internal reinforcements coming from the Lou-era drafts. And I'm not sure how you're arguing that whatever you think is happening has been the case for 6 years.

Dubas wasn't GM 5 years ago, and I think you have a misunderstanding of what "the plan" actually is. Also, a lack of desired playoff outcomes so far doesn't automatically mean the plan is incorrect.

This is year 5…..they don’t have an nhl caliber goalie signed.

 

[notbias]

After Canada came back yesterday and against Sweden, it reminded me of several Canadian teams over the years, and past Leafs teams, that would fight and claw in desperation to score. This core doesn’t do that.

Literally did it two games in a row this playoffs...

 

[Dekes For Days]

This is year 5…..they don’t have an nhl caliber goalie signed.

This is year 4. They do have an NHL caliber goalie signed, and we have an entire offseason still upcoming before next year.

 

[rocketman588]

115 points is a mark only hit 15 other times in the cap era, and is a franchise record, and that first round loss was a series where we outplayed the 110 point back-to-back Stanley Cup champions who went on to sweep the President's trophy winners. While like 30 other teams, we will not win the Stanley Cup this season, and that is disappointing, that doesn't mean that we should be diminishing and ignoring the positives and accomplishments we do have.

It got hit 4 times this year and there were 3 other teams over 110. For all your shit talking about Lou. Dubas's best year got him one spot hire in the conference standings then Lou's final year

So no I'm not impressed we've been there done that as recently as 4 years ago

 

[rocketman588]

99% of the fan base would be happy if they snuck into the playoffs and won a round instead of setting records for most regular season points and records for most first round losses.

Habs did this last year and made the cup

This is year 4. They do have an NHL caliber goalie signed, and we have an entire offseason still upcoming before next year.

We're in off season 5 they're "goalie" will take a first to get rid of because no one wants him

 

[Captain Crunch]

This is year 4. They do have an NHL caliber goalie signed, and we have an entire offseason still upcoming before next year.

Then to clarify, we don’t have a healthy NHL caliber goalie signed.

 

[killer1980]

See a lot of people wanting to compare Ovechkin to Matthews. Ovi is a leader and probably the biggest banger on his team. He'll make the sacrifice to make the play. AM is one of the most pure goal scorers to come along in a long time but that's it. He is no leader and avoids confrontation as much as possible. He played a great playoff series and was more physical than he had ever been. I doubt we will see that kind of physicality during the regular season. Matthews is no Ovechkin. Comparisons are odious.

 

[rocketman588]

Then to clarify, we don’t have a healthy NHL caliber goalie signed.

We do have an unhealthy over slider that has issues staying in his net.

He also has a modified no trade because our GM is a genius

See a lot of people wanting to compare Ovechkin to Matthews. Ovi is a leader and probably the biggest banger on his team. He'll make the sacrifice to make the play. AM is one of the most pure goal scorers to come along in a long time but that's it. He is no leader and avoids confrontation as much as possible. He played a great playoff series and was more physical than he had ever been. I doubt we will see that kind of physicality during the regular season. Matthews is no Ovechkin. Compatisons are odious.

ovi also signed for an insane amount of years

AM is about to f*** the cap even more in two years

 

[killer1980]

AM is about to f*** the cap even more in two years

Fortunately, it won't be here.

 

[Dekes For Days]

For all your shit talking about Lou. Dubas's best year got him one spot hire in the conference standings then Lou's final year

Leafs had 105 points and were 7th in the league in 2017-2018, and did so on the back of factors that could not be sustained beyond that season - all of their superstars on ELCs, a vezina-quality performance from their journeyman waiver claim backup, a 7-1 shootout record, and milking the last year of pending UFAs obtained by the previous management team, etc.

Leafs had 115 points and were 4th in the league in 2021-2022, and they achieved that in a fully sustainable way - in fact, despite goaltending playing well below their capabilities.

We're in off season 5 they're "goalie" will take a first to get rid of because no one wants him

We are in year 4, and Mrazek is not going to cost a 1st to trade, if we go that route.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Then to clarify, we don’t have a healthy NHL caliber goalie signed.

We have a healthy NHL caliber goalie signed. Both Campbell and Mrazek are NHL caliber goalies, and Campbell is healthy. Mrazek probably is too by this point. But we don't need a goalie again until after an entire offseason anyway.

 

[Leafblooded]

I agree with one small amendment. They will be asked to resign just before Matthews walks. Still amazes me that there are so many here that actually believes Matthews stays.

I'd honestly be shocked if he stays. I see him going to somewhere like NY. f*** this management is going to waste the highest peak skill leaf team of all time.

 

[Gary Nylund]

what change ?
this team is very conservative.
shanny should be demoted to business operation.
hire a new guy for hockey operation.

Look at the roster that started last season, compare it to the roster that starts next season. There's your answer, easy peasy.

 

[ACC1224]

Should we be expecting to beat that 115 point season next year?

 

[Gary Nylund]

See a lot of people wanting to compare Ovechkin to Matthews. Ovi is a leader and probably the biggest banger on his team. He'll make the sacrifice to make the play. AM is one of the most pure goal scorers to come along in a long time but that's it. He is no leader and avoids confrontation as much as possible. He played a great playoff series and was more physical than he had ever been. I doubt we will see that kind of physicality during the regular season. Matthews is no Ovechkin. Comparisons are odious.

I'm more than happy if he saves the physicality for the playoffs myself. What's your objection?

Should we be expecting to beat that 115 point season next year?

Do you think it's important to beat that 115 points? Do you actually care, or are you just trying to stir up some this (as if there isn't enough of it floating around)?

 

[rocketman588]

Leafs had 105 points and were 7th in the league in 2017-2018, and did so on the back of factors that could not be sustained beyond that season - all of their superstars on ELCs, a vezina-quality performance from their journeyman waiver claim backup, a 7-1 shootout record, and milking the last year of pending UFAs obtained by the previous management team, etc.

Leafs had 115 points and were 4th in the league in 2021-2022, and they achieved that in a fully sustainable way - in fact, despite goaltending playing well below their capabilities.

Is being able to do your job and sign two useable goalies ( something Dubas has never done).

Less sustainable then getting 115 points in a messed up covid schedule where half the teams don't try that also happens to be the year that the changed the rules to our direct benefit?

Also Dubas is the king of riding out UFAs hilarious you're shitting on Lou for it

 

[TheGoldenJet]

Where on the planet is a 1st round loss to Tampa Bay more job security and job performance praise, then a pair of round #3 losses to the same team the went on to win the Cup?

Only in (the Dubasite version of) Toronto.

 

[rocketman588]

I'm more than happy if he saves the physicality for the playoffs myself. What's your objection?


Do you think it's important to beat that 115 points? Do you actually care, or are you just trying to stir up some this (as if there isn't enough of it floating around)?

You Dubas boysvalue the point total so much and don't care about the playoffs surely 100 points and a second round loss is fireable then.

Playoffs are luck so if he wins a round with a worse season he should be fired according to you

 

[killer1980]

I'm more than happy if he saves the physicality for the playoffs myself. What's your objection?

I believe that is not something that can be turned on and off. Yes, he was more physical in the playoffs but he was no Ovechkin or even McDavid. It's either part of your DNA or not. I think AM is more concerned about promoting his clothing line or Bet99 than he is about doing what it takes to win the Cup.

 

[Stephen]

See a lot of people wanting to compare Ovechkin to Matthews. Ovi is a leader and probably the biggest banger on his team. He'll make the sacrifice to make the play. AM is one of the most pure goal scorers to come along in a long time but that's it. He is no leader and avoids confrontation as much as possible. He played a great playoff series and was more physical than he had ever been. I doubt we will see that kind of physicality during the regular season. Matthews is no Ovechkin. Comparisons are odious.

The idea that Ovi is some kind of roadmap for Matthews’ success as a Cup winner is dubious at best. Aside from the superficial goal totals, Ovi is cited as an example of staying the course and it will pay off over the extreme long run more than any great Washington recipe. I wouldn’t build up Ovi to be this and that. Aside from 2018, the Caps still suck in the playoffs.

 

[Nylanderthal]

You Dubas boysvalue the point total so much and don't care about the playoffs surely 100 points and a second round loss is fireable then.

Playoffs are luck so if he wins a round with a worse season he should be fired according to you

1. Not here to “white knight” for Gary, but he’s not a “dubas boy” by any means, and he’s probably older than you are.
2. On that note you sound real mature, I don’t think anyone here is “okay” with what’s happened as far as results go.
Some of us just have differing opinions on how to clear that last hurdle in this teams way to long runs and sustained success. a lot of us for various reasons see this team as being closer than boiling it down to “haven’t won a round so fire/trade everyone”
3. Making stupid snide comments like this while being greatly uninformed just means you likely end up on ignore lists or being flicked past and essentially ignored by anyone with a reasonable opinion.

 

[Gary Nylund]

You Dubas boysvalue the point total so much and don't care about the playoffs surely 100 points and a second round loss is fireable then.

Playoffs are luck so if he wins a round with a worse season he should be fired according to you

Look kid, stop with this "Dubas boys" nonsense. I've said if I was in charge, I would interview Dubas and depending on how that went, I might fire him.

There is some luck involved in the playoffs, but the statement "playoffs are luck" is pretty dumb. And the rest of that sentence makes no sense, I'm always happy to discuss the Leafs but it's hard when there's a complete lack of clarity in your posts.

I believe that is not something that can be turned on and off. Yes, he was more physical in the playoffs but he was no Ovechkin or even McDavid. It's either part of your DNA or not. I think AM is more concerned about promoting his clothing line or Bet99 than he is about doing what it takes to win the Cup.

But you just said that that's what he did last season. Time to get your thoughts in order perhaps?

The idea that Ovi is some kind of roadmap for Matthews’ success as a Cup winner is dubious at best. Aside from the superficial goal totals, Ovi is cited as an example of staying the course and it will pay off over the extreme long run more than any great Washington recipe. I wouldn’t build up Ovi to be this and that. Aside from 2018, the Caps still suck in the playoffs.

Agreed. Every player is different and every team is different.

 

[Beaumaris]

Good.

Typical end of an unsuccessful season response,from a Leaf fan.

 

[killer1980]

But you just said that that's what he did last season. Time to get your thoughts in order perhaps?

I just said he was more physical but, it wasn't really all that much. Take a look at McDavid or MacKinnon in this year's conference final and see what real physicality means. Like I said, it's either in your DNA or not. The good ones can't control the way they play. Simmonds was a wild man regular season or playoffs, not great during either but that is in his blood as it is with many players, just not many on the Leafs.

 

[notbias]

I just said he was more physical but, it wasn't really all that much. Take a look at McDavid or MacKinnon in this year's conference final and see what real physicality means. Like I said it's either in your DNA or not. The good ones can't control the way they play. Simmonds was a wild man regular season or playoffs, not great during either but that is in his blood as it is with many players, just not many on the Leafs.

Yep, known wildman McDavid, mucking it up all regular season, definitely didn't turn it on during the playoffs.