Confirmed with Link: Shanahan, Dubas, Keefe all staying

[ShaneFalco]

Its not enough to pacify some of the crybabies I guess

Nope winning may be a pacifier though... winning f***ing anything outside regular season

 

[deprw]

Dubasites are well known to have great imaginations.

Still can't understand the dinosaur dumping the only thing he did right on the Island. God help the Isles now.

Well I think the word on street somewhere is that Trotz mother died recently. His dad is living in Winnipeg, so he wants to be closer to home. That's is only reason I can think of why they "got rid of him". Though Detroit was after their new head coach, which might be other explanation. Like we kept Dubas over Lamoriello. Or it's something combined.

Kicking Trotz in that situation where he could be or would sign closer to home is something that I think Lou could do. His tought but has heart.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Well I think the word on street somewhere is that Trotz mother died recently. His dad is living in Winnipeg, so he wants to be closer to home. That's is only reason I can think of why they "got rid of him". Though Detroit was after their new head coach, which might be other explanation. Like we kept Dubas over Lamoriello. Or it's something combined.

Kicking Trotz in that situation where he could be or would sign closer to home is something that I think Lou could do. His tought but has heart.

I heard it was issues with Barzal. Can't coexist

 

[deprw]

I heard it was issues with Barzal. Can't coexist

Also possible. I think we'll see during the summer which is more probable. Doesn't sound like Lou that inmates run the asylum. Though it might be also Trotz being too old school even for Lou and if that's so, could he survive here? Interesting tidbit.

 

[The Masters]

 

[ShaneFalco]

Also possible. I think we'll see during the summer which is more probable. Doesn't sound like Lou that inmates run the asylum. Though it might be also Trotz being too old school even for Lou and if that's so, could he survive here? Interesting tidbit.

I'm not a fan really, but yeah Lou runs things, takes no shit. No problem moving on from anyone

 

[TorMapleJays]

Trotz to Toronto confirmed! Turn that plane around.

 

[Gary Nylund]

They used to be positioned that clock is ticking. All I know is which team fails every year

So you don't want to answer the question, OK then.

 

[stealth1]

Would you rather be NYI with a couple of good runs to remember and a dismal future ahead, of the Leafs who have yet to win a round but are very well positioned for the future?

For the next 2 years that may be true. Once the big 4 contracts come up that will change. The top 4 guys are great but you need more then that to win. They also don't have a lot of cap space to fix the goaltending and bottom 6.

 

[tokyoite]

unless MLSE puts the leafs on sale, this team will never change forever.

 

[Gary Nylund]

For the next 2 years that may be true. Once the big 4 contracts come up that will change. The top 4 guys are great but you need more then that to win. They also don't have a lot of cap space to fix the goaltending and bottom 6.

Almost beat TB who is clearly the gold standard as it is so no reason we can't win a cup in the next 2 years.

I'm not worried about the bottom 6, goaltending though is for sure the big problem we need to solve.

As far as the big contracts coming up, it's big 3 not 4 right? M&M will probably just resign here so not worried about that either but Nylander, that's another story. And that's why what I'd like to see if a bit of a shakeup that involves Nylander being moved out and a quality #1 goalie moved in.

unless MLSE puts the leafs on sale, this team will never change forever.

That's a bit melodramatic. Teams change ever year.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

The Metro is a hard ass division, so is the central but none of those teams complain about it being hard to win. This team needs an upgrade in goal and a better bottom 6 or it's going to be a repeat next season. With the bottom teams in the Atlantic getting better, it's not going to be easy to get to 115 points again.

Keefe may be a good coach but he is awful with adjustments. Just look at the PP. For most of the season it was really good but towards the end of the season and the playoffs it was terrible. All I saw was they kept sending the same setup out there. No changes to see if they could get it going.

People tend to be very binary when it comes to Keefe. He is either an amazing coach or garbage to some...no in between with him. They can't fathom that he is good in some areas but really sucks in others. That's why many want a hard look at Trotz...he isn't perfect either but maybe his mix would be better.

At this point I think winning is more psyche problem than it is talent. So, you would need a coach who can infuse the team with confidence when the playoffs roll around. How can a Leaf player look at Keefe with any faith that he knows what to do when he has failed 3x (1x in spectacular fashion against the Habs) in trying to get a series win? He won with a super stacked Marlie team...so it wasn't his coaching that brought a bunch of nobodies a championship....it was mostly the roster.

 

[egd27]

Yes some teams were able to win 2 playoffs rounds in a 6 team league.

2 more rounds than any of Dubas' Leafs teams have won.

It's laughable that you're honestly going to rank this past season ahead of 13 Stanley Cup victories as the "best season in franchise history"

 

[Stephen]

Yes some teams were able to win 2 playoffs rounds in a 6 team league.

Diminishing historical Leafs (championship) teams is a really bad look.

 

[hfman]

Just look at the facts.

Almost 20 years, no playoff wins, sellout crowds.

55 years, no cup, sellout crowds.

This is a profitable formula for them.

When it comes to the Leafs there's more money in losing than winning.

Why mess with it??

 

[Stephen]

Just look at the facts.

Almost 20 years, no playoff wins, sellout crowds.

55 years, no cup, sellout crowds.

This is a profitable formula for them.

When it comes to the Leafs there's more money in losing than winning.

Why mess with it??

I thought I saw somewhere that the average playoff home game draws MLSE $7 million in the first round. So a championship run with a minimum 6 additional home games and a maximum of 12 home games would generate an additional $42-84 million if they didn’t increase prices per round. So yeah I think they’re motivated to have more success.

 

[tokyoite]

Almost beat TB who is clearly the gold standard as it is so no reason we can't win a cup in the next 2 years.

I'm not worried about the bottom 6, goaltending though is for sure the big problem we need to solve.

As far as the big contracts coming up, it's big 3 not 4 right? M&M will probably just resign here so not worried about that either but Nylander, that's another story. And that's why what I'd like to see if a bit of a shakeup that involves Nylander being moved out and a quality #1 goalie moved in.


That's a bit melodramatic. Teams change ever year.

what change ?
this team is very conservative.
shanny should be demoted to business operation.
hire a new guy for hockey operation.

 

[ACC1224]

I thought I saw somewhere that the average playoff home game draws MLSE $7 million in the first round. So a championship run with a minimum 6 additional home games and a maximum of 12 home games would generate an additional $42-84 million if they didn’t increase prices per round. So yeah I think they’re motivated to have more success.

Prices pretty much double every round. If the Leafs had gone to the final it would have cost more than the season ticket and of course they aren’t paying the players. Anyone thinking they don’t want to go on a long run every year is very naive.

Just look at the facts.

Almost 20 years, no playoff wins, sellout crowds.

55 years, no cup, sellout crowds.

This is a profitable formula for them.

When it comes to the Leafs there's more money in losing than winning.

Why mess with it??

How is there ‘more in losing than winning’?
Can’t see anyway that makes sense.

 

[TheGoldenJet]

Washington light is my best analogy and my big question is whether we're ready to turnover our Semin and Green

And Boudreau and McPhee.

 

[Dekes For Days]

If you took the same path everyday and hit your head six days in a row would you continue to take the same path?

Except we haven't taken even close to the same path in those 6 years. Our team has changed drastically over that time, and we've lost for very different reasons.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Diminishing historical Leafs (championship) teams is a really bad look.

While maybe true, diminishing current Leafs teams is also a really bad look.

 

[Dreakmur]

While maybe true, diminishing current Leafs teams is also a really bad look.

They diminish themselves by constantly losing in the playoffs. You can run out all the lame excuses you want, but they’ve lost to lower ranked teams repeatedly.

 

[Dekes For Days]

They diminish themselves by constantly losing in the playoffs. You can run out all the lame excuses you want, but they’ve lost to lower ranked teams repeatedly.

Just because we are one of 31 teams to not win the cup, that doesn't mean we need to diminish our successes, accomplishments, records, team quality, etc. It's a bad look.

And you can mislabel legitimate context as excuses all you want, but fact is people wildly exaggerate our "failures" around here. Yes, it sucks we lost, but "repeatedly losing to lower ranked teams" is a bit misleading. One of those was tied in points with us, and the best defensive team in the league that year. One of those was the 110 point back-to-back Stanley Cup champs. And the other was a Stanley Cup finalist that year.

 

[Stephen]

Washington light is my best analogy and my big question is whether we're ready to turnover our Semin and Green

The bigger key to that Washington question is do we have Carlson, Holtby, Kuznetsov and Wilson pushing up in the second wave of the build.

 

[Nineteen67]

Except we haven't taken even close to the same path in those 6 years. Our team has changed drastically over that time, and we've lost for very different reasons.

They’ve been on the same path of filling holes due to self-inflicted wounds.