Confirmed with Link: Shanahan, Dubas, Keefe all staying

[Dekes For Days]

I’m sure it had nothing to do with the Leafs being soft and allowing for easy night by the goalies.

It didn't, because that's not what happened.

9th isn’t a playoff team in a normal year.

Tied for 6th in the conference in points is a playoff team in a normal year.
Tied for 11th in the league in points is a playoff team in a normal year.
Tied for 13th in the league in point percentage is a playoff team in a normal year.
The quality of team Columbus was (even with their significant injury impacts) is a playoff team in a normal year.
Columbus was a playoff team that year.

“We lost” is evidence.

"We lost" is a statement about us losing. "We lost" is not evidence for the reasoning for why we lost, which is what you're attempting to use it for - essentially trying to give yourself free reign to claim whatever you want without substantiation.

 

[All Mod Cons]

My God. That couple of weeks flew by. Now we're back to the same old.

 

[ToneDog]

But continues to.double down on his decision

He is up to tripling down and he is not going to stop until somebody takes away his keys to the candy store. He is going to prove he is right if it kills him because he and Shanny believe they are smarter than everybody else in hockey.

 

[Racer88]

There is not a Leaf fan alive who didn't expect the team to beat Columbus or Montreal.

True story and I think many of us expected them to beat Tampa

My God. That couple of weeks flew by. Now we're back to the same old.

It’s because we get the same old from the team. Failure

 

[ToneDog]

Turns out the guy that had won a cup and two Olympics was correct when he tried to get the team to be "good professionals", play system based hockey, put Marner on JTs line and thought having something better then a traffic cone at back to goalie.

Who would have thought he would have known how to win better then a bunch of 20-22 year old kids who had just gotten millions and a GM with one total round win in the OHL

Babs knows what it takes to win a Cup. Hence why the boys tuned him out and he did work with Kyle. He's probably been sitting in Saskatchewan taking delight watching the Leafs choke fours consecutive years under the genius GM that fired him. Unfortunately he was a bit of a slime ball.

 

[BertCorbeau]

Here's one at least

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In fairness elite goaltending can make any coach look good (see Ducharme). But Gallant would have been a nice hire.

 

[Dreakmur]

It didn't, because that's not what happened.

That’s exactly what happened. Too many clear looks for their goalie.

Tied for 6th in the conference in points is a playoff team in a normal year.
Tied for 11th in the league in points is a playoff team in a normal year.
Tied for 13th in the league in point percentage is a playoff team in a normal year.
The quality of team Columbus was (even with their significant injury impacts) is a playoff team in a normal year.
Columbus was a playoff team that year.

They played in the 8/9 qualifying round as the 9th seed. Just more bad luck that the NHL used fake standings to stack the deck against elite Toronto!

"We lost" is a statement about us losing. "We lost" is not evidence for the reasoning for why we lost, which is what you're attempting to use it for - essentially trying to give yourself free reign to claim whatever you want without substantiation.

We lost, you’re making excuses for it. That’s apparently your role here.

 

[egd27]

Turns out the guy that had won a cup and two Olympics was correct when he tried to get the team to be "good professionals", play system based hockey, put Marner on JTs line and thought having something better then a traffic cone at back to goalie.

Who would have thought he would have known how to win better then a bunch of 20-22 year old kids who had just gotten millions and a GM with one total round win in the OHL

Yea, but he made Marner cry, so he had to leave.

 

[leaffaninvancouver]

Babs knows what it takes to win a Cup. Hence why the boys tuned him out and he did work with Kyle. He's probably been sitting in Saskatchewan taking delight watching the Leafs choke fours consecutive years after being fired under the genius GM that fired him. Unfortunately he was a bit of a slime ball.

I liked Babcock, but he's been out of a coaching job a lone time. I think bit of a slime ball might be understating it. Quenneville was pretty slimy, but he still had a job until all the stuff with Chicago come out.

I don't think Babcock is that great of a coach anymore, as evidenced by no one hiring him.

 

[ToneDog]

That’s exactly what happened. Too many clear looks for their goalie.




They played in the 8/9 qualifying round as the 9th seed. Just more bad luck that the NHL used fake standings to stack the deck against elite Toronto!



We lost, you’re making excuses for it. That’s apparently your role here.

He did. No he didn't. You did. No I did not. Not surprised reading your conversation. Seems to be making a full court press to defend everything Blue and White. My advise would be to tuck his tail between his legs and hibernate rather than fanning the flames.

 

[ACC1224]

I liked Babcock, but he's been out of a coaching job a lone time. I think bit of a slime ball might be understating it. Quenneville was pretty slimy, but he still had a job until all the stuff with Chicago come out.

I don't think Babcock is that great of a coach anymore, as evidenced by no one hiring him.

He's still under contract to the Leafs. He's currently coaching at the University of Saskatchewan

 

[ToneDog]

I liked Babcock, but he's been out of a coaching job a lone time. I think bit of a slime ball might be understating it. Quenneville was pretty slimy, but he still had a job until all the stuff with Chicago come out.

I don't think Babcock is that great of a coach anymore, as evidenced by no one hiring him.

I do not miss Babs but I wouldn't mind seeing what this team can do behind a proven winner in Trotz. But Dubes will be Dubes and stick with his bosom buddy.

 

[leaffaninvancouver]

He's still under contract to the Leafs. He's currently coaching at the University of Saskatchewan

He could still sign with another club if he wanted to.

 

[ACC1224]

He could still sign with another club if he wanted to.

Exactly, if he wanted to.

 

[ShaneFalco]

I do not miss Babs but I wouldn't mind seeing what this team can do behind a proven winner in Trotz. But Dubes will be Dubes and stick with his bosom buddy.

Not sure how you look at the last 3 playoffs and determine you must keep this coach

 

[Mess]

Exactly, if he wanted to.

The Maple Leafs owe Babcock $5.875 million a year until his eight-year contract expires on June 30, 2023

No need to find work when you're getting paid $5.875 mil to sit at home, so only volunteer work is required.

Keefe's playoff results are not helping convince ownership Dubas knew what he was doing when he replaced him, as MLSE was still on the hook for 4 years at nearly $6 mil in addition and still got no return on investment via more playoff gate receipts beyond round #1. .

 

[Gabriel426]

True story and I think many of us expected them to beat Tampa


It’s because we get the same old from the team. Failure

Depends at which point of the Series.
Against the Habs,
before the Series, we will beat the Habs, going to be a short series, AM always score on Price.
After Game 1, too bad JT got injured but we can still beat them.
After Game 2, see AM always score on Price.
After Game 3 & 4, told you it will be a short series.

Same against TB.

I think after 4 games, the belief is Leafs can beat TB.
But once Game 7 hits, we want to believe the Leafs but we know TB have the edge.
Just look at the pre game thread, some here didn't want to watch the games, some watch it bc they don't want to miss an epic moment, but not a lot of people commented on we are going to win.

He could still sign with another club if he wanted to.

I think if he signs with another team, he can no longer get paid from his Leafs contract.

 

[leaffaninvancouver]

I think if he signs with another team, he can no longer get paid from his Leafs contract.

There's also not really any report of teams looking to hire him either though. If a serious offer was out there, someone would be talking about it.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

He is up to tripling down and he is not going to stop until somebody takes away his keys to the candy store. He is going to prove he is right if it kills him because he and Shanny believe they are smarter than everybody else in hockey.

Worse than that even Larry tripled down on Dubie too last summer OMG .. we got 3 more years of these useless clowns .. once Matty leaves in 2 years or he gets MAX 17M per extension either way that should put final fork in them

 

[deprw]

Babs knows what it takes to win a Cup. Hence why the boys tuned him out and he did work with Kyle. He's probably been sitting in Saskatchewan taking delight watching the Leafs choke fours consecutive years under the genius GM that fired him. Unfortunately he was a bit of a slime ball.

Why he then won only won with Detroit? His first round loss streak started also there. Babcock knew how to win best of the best tournaments better than anyone, but in the NHL he has only one cup and he has coached pretty good teams. Being egoistic dickwad might have something to do with results here and anywhere.

 

[rocketman588]

Why he then won only won with Detroit? His first round loss streak started also there. Babcock knew how to win best of the best tournaments better than anyone, but in the NHL he has only one cup and he has coached pretty good teams. Being egoistic dickwad might have something to do with results here and anywhere.

Yet we have the exact same results (almost worse ones considering Columbus and Montreal) with a coach who congratulated them on losing in 7 with a good effort. He might have been a dick but the post firing press leak tour was disgusting.

I guess it evens out considering the golden parachute we gave him. He got a lot right idea wise at least with what he said in the press re hockey ideas and we're only now realizing he was correct.

I don't think dubas provided what he needed in last year too suceed as well he seemed to attempt to put force his brand of hockey on babs with his signings and then undermined him by doing stuff like waiving mcbackup and forcing him up go to AZ to suck up to AM

 

[Dekes For Days]

That’s exactly what happened. Too many clear looks for their goalie.

That's not what happened at all. We had plenty of quality looks.

They played in the 8/9 qualifying round as the 9th seed.

Yes, they played in the playoffs because they were a playoff team, which was pretty normal for the quality of team they were.

We lost, you’re making excuses for it.

Not only untrue, but also completely unrelated to the discussion, which was about you making claims about why we lost and then being unable to provide evidence to support that.

 

[ACC1224]

Why he then won only won with Detroit? His first round loss streak started also there. Babcock knew how to win best of the best tournaments better than anyone, but in the NHL he has only one cup and he has coached pretty good teams. Being egoistic dickwad might have something to do with results here and anywhere.

‘Dickwad’ pretty much nails it.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

Turns out the guy that had won a cup and two Olympics was correct when he tried to get the team to be "good professionals", play system based hockey, put Marner on JTs line and thought having something better then a traffic cone at back to goalie.

Who would have thought he would have known how to win better then a bunch of 20-22 year old kids who had just gotten millions and a GM with one total round win in the OHL

I'm agreeing with you about this and I HATED Babs...but sometimes you hate your Dad until you grow up and realize he wasn't the problem all along....

 

[keonsbitterness]

It obviously hasn't. It is still the 2021-2022 season. Teams do not operate within different seasons at the same time. You could say we are in a different phase of year 4, but it's still year 4. More importantly, we're nowhere close to having the year 5 roster established, so I'm not sure why people are talking about the goalie situation as if it's done.

Teams no longer playing quite obviously do operate that way no matter what the official league calendar says. We've already seen evidence. Before a Cup winner is declared, players can and do officially retire (see Leafs), GMs can and do talk to each other (see rumours), and teams can and do hire and fire coaches and executives (see every team). Trades, while rare, can happen. That all affects 22-23 for those teams, not 21-22.

They're not going to completely remake the playoffs section of their website at the last minute in the middle of a pandemic, just for a one-off. They are extremely clear that it's the playoffs in their playoff format section. Again, like it or not, the NHL gets to decide.

Completely remake? It's not exactly difficult to edit webpages. It's actually very easy. We're also no longer in the middle of a pandemic. Two years later, the actual link I provided from the NHL's actual site still shows that the 2020 playoffs consisted of 16 teams. Why should I believe you over the league?

Playoff format section? I'm glad you asked. Here is the NHL's July, 2020 press release:
NHL plans to return with 24 teams competing for Stanley Cup
The best-of-fives are specifically called Stanley Cup Qualifiers (with a capital Q), not a preliminary round. By definition, the winners of qualifiers in sports advance to a different tournament or competition. 200+ countries start World Cup soccer qualifying. Only 32 actually qualify.

The NHL goes on to say that "after the Qualifiers, the conference-based playoffs will continue in the two hub cities", which again separates the Qualifiers from the 16-team playoffs. Again, why should I believe you over the league?

Only after the NHL received criticism for this confusion did the league refer to the qualifiers...sorry, Qualifiers, as playoffs. Because the qualifiers...sorry, Qualifiers, used standard playoff rules, they had to for record-keeping purposes. But as my links show, they were and still are anything but extremely clear.

I don't think Babcock is that great of a coach anymore, as evidenced by no one hiring him.

We'll probably know in a year when his Leaf deal ends if he wants to coach in the NHL again whether he's still in demand.