Confirmed with Link: Shanahan, Dubas, Keefe all staying

[deprw]

You truly are rude. That game in Carolina has defined what this team is. They cannot close it out when it matters.
if you are going to persist in being rude just stay out of my posts.

Nice fixed mindset there.

 

[deprw]

My point is talk is cheap. Boston's soundbites are more satisfying and resonate better with a disappointed fanbase.

It was win-win for Neely. First push that team without any retooling and hope towards new season and aspire for the Stanley Cup. Then throw them under the bus after they fail. Bar set high like "proper leader" would do and then when they fail you march them to the lions. I think that loss fell more on Neely and office, rather than on Cassidy or his team.

Anyone could see where Boston was trending and after losing Rask, it was only fools hope for them. It was like Leafs 2004, that they were beyond their best before date. They gambled with that Bergeron contract and lost. Could have retooled a bit year or two and then go for it after that, but they went all-in with that veteran core. They lost so many quality pieces and went after players like Hall, Foligno and Ullmark.

Neely though said all the right things in the press conference!

 

[TorMapleJays]

Maybe the group doesn’t like Dubas?

Maybe the group doesn’t like the progressive trailblazing MLSE has made?
The players never talk to the media.
Remember when Reilly got caught saying a slur and they made him parade himself in the pride parade?
Our star player wears a crucifix around his neck.
Maybe we get respect in the handshake line, maybe our line doesn’t respect our management.

The eye test sure says we played better in game 1 where Clifford had one shift then we did the rest of the series

having someone beside you running through walls (Orr, Maclearn, KADRI, Simmonds, Clifford) or people really fires you up in ways a drop pass never could.

I almost feel like this style of hockey has become a partisan issue.

Left vs Right.

Just pure speculation from a top level point of view.

By the way, we led the league in PiM this post season in round 1.

 

[ITM]

Yes, I'm saying leadership is separate from on-ice play. The main attribute of a good leader is that he makes the people around him better. From what I understand, Shanahan brought previously lacking intensity and accountability to the dressing room.

I agree he brought leadership, but I categorically disagree that Shanahan's on-ice example was divided from his influence in the room. Without his unique level of toughness and skill exampled, his leadership, his words, mean little. And to note: I've never heard of anyone dividing his on-ice example from his room presence.

And how could Shanahan lead on that Detroit club if not by example, when:

Fedorov was the more prolific point producer in the playoffs. Yzerman exampled the club's greatest regular season output and was by all accounts still capable of doing so but for his commitment to defense. Probert, Chiasson, McCarty, Konstantinov, Lapointe and Kocur all had elements of physicality and intimidation that were drawn upon weekly (mindful Probert was gone before the Cups). And Bowman has often said Igor Larionov all but single handedly eliminated the Wings while with the Sharks, prompting management to join 'em rather than beat 'em, repeatedly noting the difference Larionov made upon arrival and to their championships.

In our frustration with Shanahan the manager we forget what rare company Shanahan kept as a player.

Not a lot of 600 goal scorers with 2500 penalty minutes in the books. And in a room full of elite talent and toughness, Shanahan's words would have meant little if he couldn't distinguish himself amongst that group.

 

[ITM]

Maybe the group doesn’t like Dubas?

Maybe the group doesn’t like the progressive trailblazing MLSE has made?
The players never talk to the media.
Remember when Reilly got caught saying a slur and they made him parade himself in the pride parade?
Our star player wears a crucifix around his neck.
Maybe we get respect in the handshake line, maybe our line doesn’t respect our management.

The eye test sure says we played better in game 1 where Clifford had one shift then we did the rest of the series

having someone beside you running through walls (Orr, Maclearn, KADRI, Simmonds, Clifford) or people really fires you up in ways a drop pass never could.

I almost feel like this style of hockey has become a partisan issue.

Left vs Right.

Just pure speculation from a top level point of view.

By the way, we led the league in PiM this post season in round 1.

Well thought out. Never considered the bold in that way before. As a fan, it's a completely plausible premise.

 

[Racer88]

Nice fixed mindset there.

They have shown nothing to change my mind. If they finally do, then I will change
as far as the poster I responded to he spends most of his posts attacking and insulting other poster.
If someone has a different opinion then him you are a target in his mind

 

[Stephen]

It was win-win for Neely. First push that team without any retooling and hope towards new season and aspire for the Stanley Cup. Then throw them under the bus after they fail. Bar set high like "proper leader" would do and then when they fail you march them to the lions. I think that loss fell more on Neely and office, rather than on Cassidy or his team.

Anyone could see where Boston was trending and after losing Rask, it was only fools hope for them. It was like Leafs 2004, that they were beyond their best before date. They gambled with that Bergeron contract and lost. Could have retooled a bit year or two and then go for it after that, but they went all-in with that veteran core. They lost so many quality pieces and went after players like Hall, Foligno and Ullmark.

Neely though said all the right things in the press conference!

Would be curious to see what Bruins fans reactions to Neely was.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Then throw them under the bus after they fail

That was accountability, taking responsibility. Not like the Leafs presser where it was a pat on the back and free pass for everyone

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Well thought out. Never considered the bold in that way before. As a fan, it's a completely plausible premise.

I guess players do not have to respect management, but at the same time, what have they done to earn respect themselves at this point? They have continuously let down a management group (well technically 2 management groups) which has placed a lot of faith into them and has set them up for success year after year. The way this team and organization (not talking about the fans) treats its players is bar-none around the league. Good luck finding better elsewhere.

That seems more like a player problem than a management problem, especially when a lot of those things listed are probably above management's or even the team's head. The NHL themselves pushes a lot of those "woke" mandates, mostly as a way to make a very white-dominated sport more inclusive (and therefore generate them more money on top of all of the "feel-good" stuff).

If we have players who are that toxic or weak-minded, then we have much bigger issues at hand. Same if we have guys who need a 4th line scrub to run a guy through the boards to get them going. The occasion alone seems to be enough successful teams to get going; we shouldn't have to sacrifice in other areas to get the same basic response.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Maybe we get respect in the handshake line, maybe our line doesn’t respect our management.

Interesting thought - and he's done everything for them, staked his career on them, brought in players to help "lead" them, praised them, allowed concessions (ie dress code), says how much they care etc etc

 

[deprw]

That was accountability, taking responsibility. Not like the Leafs presser where it was a pat on the back and free pass for everyone

Interesting to see what they're going to do with it. Like said I'd put lot of blame to Neely for pushing that team forward on that same track they've been. Cassidy is coach I would keep if he still has respect from the room. They need some kind of jump start and retool eventually and it will be harder every year.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Interesting to see what they're going to do with it. Like said I'd put lot of blame to Neely for pushing that team forward on that same track they've been. Cassidy is coach I would keep if he still has respect from the room. They need some kind of jump start and retool eventually and it will be harder every year.

Better for us anyways. The longer they ice mediocre teams, the longer it will take for them to become a good team again. Their pool is already fairly shallow, they are not an amazing drafting team, and besides McAvoy/Carlo/Swayman, they don't have too much control left with guys who look like they'd be willing to stick around through a rebuild. I imagine Pastrnak would rather go elsewhere than spend his prime through a rebuild.

 

[Shayne Corsi]

Coddled team. The passion is just not there. Look at Mackinnon last season after losing - that was lebron after dallas finals loss level misery. Meanwhile, Marner had a tee time for the next day. Competitors get really really pissed when they lose, especially in the humiliating ways we have in the past few seasons. Our "stars" seem more content to get paid and be celebrities, which makes enough sense ... but you need that next level desire to win, especially in hockey where grit and sacrifice reign supreme in the playoffs.

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

Anyone would love to work in a nurturing work environment and be good friends with their co-workers, that's for sure.

But in competitive sports, we often see athletes and team dynamics have to tap into something a little more toxic, more internal friction to attain greatness. Feelings will be hurt, but if that means winning and being better and better, I think the players would accept that. It's not an unreasonable price.

The lightning have had a nice guy coach behind their bench for many years now and have been dominant for most of that time and are poised to win a 3rd cup in a row.

 

[Stephen]

The lightning have had a nice guy coach behind their bench for many years now and have been dominant for most of that time and are poised to win a 3rd cup in a row.

I don’t know how you figure they’re nice guys.

 

[pcruz]

I don’t know how you figure they’re nice guys.

There is far too much wild speculation all over these boards just thrown out there as if it were straight fact.

Nobody, who is not in the room, has any clue how these guys have been behind the scenes and stating one thing or another, about Leafs staff or others' is insanity to me.

We watched the Amazon docu-series and it seems like Keefe, Dubas et al are painfully blunt.
They don't seem to beat around the bush at all.

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

RRielly

Maybe the group doesn’t like Dubas?

Maybe the group doesn’t like the progressive trailblazing MLSE has made?
The players never talk to the media.
Remember when Reilly got caught saying a slur and they made him parade himself in the pride parade?
Our star player wears a crucifix around his neck.
Maybe we get respect in the handshake line, maybe our line doesn’t respect our management.

The eye test sure says we played better in game 1 where Clifford had one shift then we did the rest of the series

having someone beside you running through walls (Orr, Maclearn, KADRI, Simmonds, Clifford) or people really fires you up in ways a drop pass never could.

I almost feel like this style of hockey has become a partisan issue.

Left vs Right.

Just pure speculation from a top level point of view.

By the way, we led the league in PiM this post season in round 1.

Rielly never used a slur. He used the term "rag it" which is a common term in hockey for retaining posession to run the time out. Other players on the opposition and the refs confirmed it when investigated by the league. That's why there was no discipline.

Toronto Maple Leafs Morgan Rielly Avoids Suspension - Last Word On Hockey

I'm pretty sure Rielly represented at the pride parades before that even happened too

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

I don’t know how you figure they’re nice guys.

Have you ever heard or seen Jon Cooper act like an A**hole to his players or saying anything in the media to give that impression?

 

[Stephen]

Have you ever heard or seen Jon Cooper act like an A**hole to his players or saying anything in the media to give that impression?

Have you heard Trotz? The idea of some real jerk coach is a bit of a straw man.

 

[Stephen]

Have you ever heard or seen Jon Cooper act like an A**hole to his players or saying anything in the media to give that impression?

Have you heard Trotz? The idea of some real jerk coach is a bit of a straw man. Cooper can be tough on his guys.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Maybe the group doesn’t like Dubas?

Maybe the group doesn’t like the progressive trailblazing MLSE has made?
The players never talk to the media.
Remember when Reilly got caught saying a slur and they made him parade himself in the pride parade?
Our star player wears a crucifix around his neck.
Maybe we get respect in the handshake line, maybe our line doesn’t respect our management.

The eye test sure says we played better in game 1 where Clifford had one shift then we did the rest of the series

having someone beside you running through walls (Orr, Maclearn, KADRI, Simmonds, Clifford) or people really fires you up in ways a drop pass never could.

I almost feel like this style of hockey has become a partisan issue.

Left vs Right.

Just pure speculation from a top level point of view.

By the way, we led the league in PiM this post season in round 1.

Rielly was never caught saying a slur. He was accused of it, but it was proven to be a false accusation by the NHL
NHL rules Morgan Rielly did not use homophobic slur
I do agree that Clifford and Simmonds should have played more, but that is the style I enjoy.

 

[TorMapleJays]

Rielly was never caught saying a slur. He was accused of it, but it was proven to be a false accusation by the NHL
NHL rules Morgan Rielly did not use homophobic slur
I do agree that Clifford and Simmonds should have played more, but that is the style I enjoy.

I’m just speculating. Everything I typed may not even be remotely true.

 

[Dreakmur]

I’m just speculating. Everything I typed may not even be remotely true.

He yelled something at (Cedric) Paquette, and people misheard it.

 

[BrannigansLaw]

Honestly the more I think about it the more that handshake line comment from Keefe bothers me. He should have been fired for that comment alone. Then there was his happy with a split comment earlier.

Guys a loser.

 

[fahad203]

Honestly the more I think about it the more that handshake line comment from Keefe bothers me. He should have been fired for that comment alone. Then there was his happy with a split comment earlier.

Guys a loser.

He should have been fired after the Zamboni incident. We can win 10 Stanly Cups next 10 years but there's nothing you can do to change the fact that Leafs lost to a zamboni driver who is our employee. Nothing

This is a black mark will never be erased thanks to supreme leader's chosen one in Sheldon Keefe