Confirmed with Link: Shanahan, Dubas, Keefe all staying

[Stephen]

Yup, for people who say the press conferences don't mean anything this shows me otherwise. You get an insight into how they're taking the loss

Everything I've seen come out of Boston is that this isn't good enough and they need to be better. This is their attitude after their first loss in round 1 since 2017 lol. They have the mentality to be great, even if the pieces on the roster aren't there anymore

Then you see our management patting one another on the back for a close series after losing in round 1 6 times in a row. Just embarrassing

I hope all that Bruin frustration and anger can be translated into bad roster decisions this summer.

 

[mikeyz]

Um

If you consider the regular season, then why are you so upset with the coaching, management and core players?

They just completed their most successful regular season of all time.

Yeah and what did they do in the playoffs?

 

[Gabriel426]

I hope all that Bruin frustration and anger can be translated into bad roster decisions this summer.

Marchand is not coming, lol

 

[Buds17]

Marchand is not coming, lol

Bergeron it is then!

 

[keonsbitterness]

Cam Neely's greatest highlight will always be getting the crap beaten out of him by Wendel Clark.

 

[Stephen]

Funny how Cam Neeley and Brendan Shanahan were made from the same cloths as hockey players. Yet how different they are as executives

Cam doesn't care about your feelings. He pays you enough to get mental coaches or psychiatrists. He cares about output

Posters here are like nobody going to sign with us. Funny Boston always gets decent free agents and gets them on good deals

Fish rottens from the head. Dubas doesnt have the feel for the game and it shows. He reminds me of a substitute teacher. Happy to be here, happy to have a job. Make sure hes everyones friend and well liked

At the end of the day, you like his fire and he wins at the press conference but the Bruins are not in the best shape going forward having basically lost their core of Chara, Krug, Rask, Krejci over the past few years and maybe Bergeron this summer. It's all just talk.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

One thing I find interesting is our record as playoff series enter their second half since the establishment of the core (so 2019). I assigned the "front half" of a series as games 1-4, and the back half of a series as games 5-7. I didn't include 2020 since it doesn't follow the typical format

Front-half record: 7-5
Back-half record: 2-7

So what does this mean? We start strong and look amazing, but as the series goes on we get worse.......a 2-7 record is just abysmal

Why does this happen? Is it the adjustments the opposing coaches make? Is it the other team finds another gear with their season on the line and we don't? Is it goaltending?

It is a lot of things. Our goaltending seems to really shrivel up in high pressure situations (first Andersen, then Campbell), while the other team's seems to rise to occasion. I would say that it is because we don't have a Rask, Price, or Vasilevsky, but we even saw Korpisalo do it for Columbus. We have seen other cheap/unproven goalies do it for successful teams. And we have seen successful or expensive goalies (i.e. Bobrovsky or even Andersen) completely suck. So the answer is not even throwing money or assets at a good or proven goalie.

We get killed by clutch-and-grab, which completely dampens skill and pretty much makes it a "which goalie will give up a crap goal first" fest. Refer to the first paragraph as to why that is not a good thing for us. It is not like it hasn't affected Tampa either; Vasilevsky has won a lot of low scoring games for Tampa. He is just not the goalie who gives up the crap goal first. I don't think coaching adjustments are as big of a deal. A lot of what has killed Keefe especially has been less stuff he (or the other coach) has done and more something where the players mess up/capitalize. He can try mixing and matching all he wants but we have had series where key players could have played against AHLers and they still would have sucked. Successful coaches don't need to deal with that very often.

Finally, we struggle to convert, especially on the PP. Even when we get to the inside, or get chances, we can't put them in. ES is less of an issue. Tampa actually was never a high end ES scoring team either. But on the PP, we really suck at converting and it is not even like things drastically change in the playoffs vs. the regular season when it comes to PP/PK (other than having to go up against better ones more often). Even when we get our setup and our chances, it just looks far too slow and unconfident, and then they start to panic and force things that are not there. It is all mental, and it has happened in the regular season too. Maybe this is where the playoff failures are starting to weigh heavily on them, because it is not like our PP is incapable of producing.

I think there are some things that can be done with the PP. Changing the coach or adding a big shot from the point is not going to do it, but adding more puck movement and speed, and having less isolation is probably a good start. Switch things up sometimes. We can't do anything about clutch-and-grab really, and even become a more "gritty" team doesn't really do much. If teams want to collapse in the inside, then you need to start making them pay with the space you have from the outside or on the rush. We normally do well there, but not well enough in the playoffs. Finally, consider firing Steve Briere. Our goalies clearly have trouble with certain fundamental skills, consistency, and mental toughness. He is responsible for a lot of that, and with a new starter coming in, now is the best time to make that change. He is also the only coach to still be here from the beginning of our failed runs (before Dubas and Keefe), and goaltending has been at the forefront of those failures. If we are talking about a change that actually makes some sense, that is probably #1 on the list by a long shot.

 

[Nylanderthal]

Andersen's downfall was coming to camp out of shape. He kept getting nagging injuries and then cut off communication with the coaching staff for parts of the season. At some point I think he mentally checked out and decided to ride out the season until free agency.

Because it was a really stupid thing to say. I think he added the last sentence after realizing the hole he was digging.

Unless the cop raid the place. Or so I've heard.

Sure, mentored them to do avoid contact and just go with the flow. What a useless signing.

Welch

Yup marleau wasn’t a good mentor or influence at all, taught the kids to chase the money… that’s why he signed in TO after all.. gutless player, glad they paid the cost to be rid of him

 

[ACC1224]

At the end of the day, you like his fire and he wins at the press conference but the Bruins are not in the best shape going forward having basically lost their core of Chara, Krug, Rask, Krejci over the past few years and maybe Bergeron this summer. It's all just talk.

Prior success buys him a little slack I would think.

 

[DarkKnight]

NBA

MAY 11, 2018 / 2:11 PM

Raptors coach Dwane Casey fired after being named Coach of the Year​

You don’t fire a coach after a successful regular season, unless you aren’t patting yourself on the back for failing again.

 

[BLONG7]

It was so bang on - one franchise who has has lots of success previously saying it wasn't good enough, apologizing to ownership and taking responsibility Then the Leafs basically saying we're proud of our progress - with no success whatsoever

Boy, they sure all rallied behind each other for their PC's and it was a page right out of Let's get out of Dodge and see you guys at camp in September.
I was shocked at how everyone including Shanny were ok because the efforts seemed better.
The making changes for the sake for making changes was laughable, where there has been no success so, changes have to happen, but no? lol

 

[deprw]

Jack Welch might disagree with you

I think Mike Ilitch would also disagree with me, Jerry Buss would disagree with me and I think Eugene Melnyk would also disagree with me. There are good and bad examples, but about government I also take democracy over autocracy and dictatorship.

And yet they continue to set records for playoff series losses and humiliating things like building a team that got beat by a Zamboni driver in net for the other team……..ya they are geniuses

You end up living pretty shitty life if you hang on things like David Ayres.

 

[theTTC]

You end up living pretty shitty life if you hang on things like David Ayres.

Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it. Fact.

 

[deprw]

Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it. Fact.

You don't have to preach me I live by that everyday. It's also good skill not to attach to every failure you ever made and fear repeating them, because then you only rinse and repeat them. Learn and move on. Fact.

 

[ACC1224]

You end up living pretty shitty life if you hang on things like David Ayres.

Part of the teams history like Gretzky high sticking Gilmour, Salute Gate and 100s of othe rmoments both good and bad.

Your comment is shameful IMO.

 

[deprw]

It's good thing to Marner and Matthews to take that mental note from that 2021 playoffs failure and lit fire under your belly by it. How you felt and not to repeat it, to give everything out in training and in games. Should you everyday bask by every failure you have made? Nope, it doesn't change everything.

You can't get those moments back and losing to David Ayres is something that you should never get attached on.

 

[ITM]

I would actually speculate that there’s no “Man Upstairs ” or “Angry Board” that Shanahan is grovelling to for job security. So having a three headed Shanahan Dubas and Keefe hockey department and organizational stability, hockey department autonomy may be the state of things.

I think blowing it up would be “fun” from an offseason entertainment point of view, and a shakeup could definitely bring drastically different results for better or worse. Better in that they could find their finishing piece. Worse that a mandated offseason could take many steps back. But my takeaway is the organization doesn’t want to purge.

I wonder how much of this is rooted in Shanahan not wanting to repeat the mistakes of Imlach and Ballard destroying the 70’s Sittler Leafs while they were still developing?

I noted something similar in another thread in that Shanahan saw (ie he would have heard about the decisions made or not made prior to his arrival) the net gain of persevering through adversity while in Detroit.

Sitting and learning in that Bowman led Red Wing room surely formed much of what some wrongly believe is egoism on Shanahan’s part.

But in reality I think it’s a kind of selflessness to the painful but necessary process.

 

[deprw]

Part of the teams history like Gretzky high sticking Gilmour, Salute Gate and 100s of othe rmoments both good and bad.

Your comment is shameful IMO.

Well that same writer produces shameful shit here every week about Dubas and Shanahan dreamt in his fantasies. That's shameful but something we as fans do. We care about this team and franchise and throw our anger towards coach, management, players, GM etc. Some of that shit is shameful.

You compare that Ayres game to Gretzky's hick sticking? We are only franchise that decides to bask on moments like that. Would I have hoped that they go for the kill after that happened? Off course, Canes rallied behind their goaltender and we didn't have that energy in the regular season game they had. You play 82 games, so you win some you lose. That was one loss.

You should see more of an advice. Why care about that one regular season game? Like it had some more meaning than being one regular season game.

Gretzky's high stick had pretty significant meaning, loss to Habs 2021 and that Bruins series 2019 etc.

David Ayres, stupid shit happens. Move on.

 

[ShaneFalco]

NBA

MAY 11, 2018 / 2:11 PM

Raptors coach Dwane Casey fired after being named Coach of the Year​

You don’t fire a coach after a successful regular season, unless you aren’t patting yourself on the back for failing again.

They knew he wasn't going to take them to the next level and acted accordingly. Leafs reward failure. But hey Dubas tells us in 10 years we'll look back and see what a great coach Keefe has become

 

[Stamkos4life]

Um

If you consider the regular season, then why are you so upset with the coaching, management and core players?

They just completed their most successful regular season of all time.

Is the goal to have a great regular season? Or to win the cup?

I think most leaf fans would prefer the cup while it seems like dubas fan boys prefer the regular season success.

We had our prior most successful season in 2018 and yet still got rid of our gm after. But after 4 years of failure under dubas, it still isn't enough.

 

[Stamkos4life]

Why would there be? There wasn't one last year, when we suffered one of the most humiliating losses imaginable; and there wasn't one this year. And, frankly, the damage has already been done. AM will probably be gone in a couple of years, and he's the only non-fungible player on this entire team. Back to the Kessel era I guess which, sadly, was just as successful as this one.

I thought after losing to a weak jackets team that dubas would be fired.

Then he managed to keep his job after a horrendous series against the Habs, our oldest rival.

Now after a 4th consecutive failure, dubas has once again retained his job because we got respect from Tampa during the handshake line lmao

At this point, I have no idea what it will take to get rid of him. But with each passing year of dubas at the helm, I lose more and more passion for this team.

How did they fire a goaltending coach for liking things on Twitter? This team is far to woke and they can't win a single playoff round.

 

[DarkKnight]

Is this what happens why you hire a rookie President, unproven rookie GM and unproven rookie Coach? It’s great everyone gets to learn on the job whilst we piss away prime years of our core. We always talk about the players figuring it out as they grow, it’s interesting we also see that in management, perhaps it’s just too much, the whole organization, nobody knows how to win and why “progress” is our buzzword instead of delivering.

 

[Zack47]

I have been too.... angry.... to return to writing comments here. But who am I angry at? The players --- somewhat. The management -- yes, clearly, for that post-season oh-so-Toronto self-certainty nonsense. Most of all -- journalists apologizing for this team.

Best team of the Dubas era ever? Please stop saying that. It's a lie. People have to wake up to the evidence on the table. All of the specific explanations are absurd. ABSURD. Don't quote back to me stuff about the regular season. Don't replay back to me nonsense about just one goal in game 7. You don't get it. The data are the data. Stop trying to explain it with marginal specifics. Notice, however, that even Brodie looked ridiculous on that game-winning goal in game 7. Undressed by Nick Paul. There is a clue there.

Our depth scoring and overall defensive talent is short of the necessary level to win the big ones, and it can't be fixed by swapping in and out cheap talent. The problem is fundamental: too much money spent on too few people. Has anyone commented on the fact that multiple players on Tampa signed for much less than they could have? That their coach gets even Stamkos to buy in on blocking shots over and over?

They need to trade someone who makes 8 million plus to distribute the money more evenly and get multiple players for it. Good players. Players that can play on a third line that threatens to score. Oh yeah, Kadri, no problem, we can trade him for Kerfoot. And maybe get a young defenseman who is not part of a development project. We need major changes, because this is not working folks.

And Shanahan and Dubas and all of those wise journalists and commentators who are in bed with them: stop feeling superior to the fans like those on this board. The fans care more than they do. It is really really depressing...

 

[Stephen]

Prior success buys him a little slack I would think.

I’m not saying the Bruins should fire Neely but whining the press conference doesn’t mean they have the tools to do what they want.

 

[TorMapleJays]

I’m not saying the Bruins should fire Neely but whining the press conference doesn’t mean they have the tools to do what they want.

Maybe but the focus of Boston is to win the Stanley Cup. Is Torontos goal to win the Stanley Cup, or to keep their jobs?