Confirmed with Link: Shanahan, Dubas, Keefe all staying

[deprw]

Same thing was said 2-3 years ago. They are not constructed for playoff success. That's on the gm....and the coach who can't adapt. Wasting the most talented group we've had with a guy who has had no NHL success and thinks his vision is the only way forward

You could say that last year, but this year we were one coolheaded 3rd period kill or one lucky bounce away from 2nd round against dynastyesque Tampa. We are discussing about Dubas and we've had enough depth in our roster to go very deep run last two seasons with our cap situation. I'm not going to say that we weren't built for playoffs because we were. This team was good enough to win the cup. We lacked the experience, but you can't buy it, you experience it. There was huge difference with our core from 2021 to 2022.

Tampa Bay just was tiny bit better in that series. That's sports, but I believe these players will win cup eventually either here or somewhere. Wasn't sure about Marner last year, now I am.

 

[ShaneFalco]

<Insert team name here> just was tiny bit better in that series

 

[saltming]

I'm good with dubas and shanny atm.
The only major thing I have issue with was how they disgarded Andersen.

All acquisitions are a gamble and dubas is pretty good with them, better than the revolving Dow of trash the Leafs have had since Quinn.

Now if they don't fight hard to land Trotz or look to upgrade the coach, not that Keefe is bad, but that is proper due diligence, then it will be their 2nd strike in my books.

Overall, I'm still happy with what they've done and what they bring. They've turned out organization from laughing stock where players had to be bribed to come play, to an organization that is now considered a great location to play for. That is as huge an accomplishment as the on ice product.

 

[notbias]

Same thing was said 2-3 years ago. They are not constructed for playoff success. That's on the gm....and the coach who can't adapt. Wasting the most talented group we've had with a guy who has had no NHL success and thinks his vision is the only way forward

I am so confused... the team is not built for playoff success but you want to fire a coach who almost beat the back-to-back champs with a team that had no business doing that since the team is not constructed for playoff success?

Keefe sounds like an amazing coach based on your view of the team construction

 

[ShaneFalco]

I am so confused... the team is not built for playoff success but you want to fire a coach who almost beat the back-to-back champs with a team that had no business doing that since the team is not constructed for playoff success?

Keefe sounds like an amazing coach based on your view of the team construction

"almost beat"
The new team slogan

 

[deprw]

We can agree to disagree here. It is ok for me. I think what I think and you can think what you think. I have been anxious since losing that game 7 or let's say I have been anxious since game 5 of 2021 against Montreal.

After this season I still believe that they can make it. Also if we make drastic changes from change management perspective it will take years that those take real effect. So if we do that and succeed it's more luck than anything and it sprout out of this core anyway. Either they make it or it's years of wait if we make some drastic changes.

Even worse fear for me apart from losing next year on this same phase is that we bring in some Chiarelli magic and destroy this whole team right here and right now. I'm happy we didn't took that route. Would have signed Trotz in a heartbeat but I don't really think that his available to us.

 

[notbias]

"almost beat"
The new team slogan

Nothing to say as usual.

 

[Gary Nylund]

I'm good with dubas and shanny atm.
The only major thing I have issue with was how they disgarded Andersen.

All acquisitions are a gamble and dubas is pretty good with them, better than the revolving Dow of trash the Leafs have had since Quinn.

Now if they don't fight hard to land Trotz or look to upgrade the coach, not that Keefe is bad, but that is proper due diligence, then it will be their 2nd strike in my books.

Overall, I'm still happy with what they've done and what they bring. They've turned out organization from laughing stock where players had to be bribed to come play, to an organization that is now considered a great location to play for. That is as huge an accomplishment as the on ice product.

Based on what Dubas said about Keefe in the presser, you can chalk up the 2nd strike now.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Nothing to say as usual.

Anything I or anyone else says that's remotely negative, you just spin, and then when you have nothing to say, it's insults

 

[pcruz]

LMFAO Ohhhhh here we go!! The annual "Look at what ____ is doing to other teams after beating the Leafs in the 1st round" carousel.

Who f***ing cares??? This team has lost in the 1st round 6 f***ing years in a row! What does it matter what the team that beats the Leafs do???

Going by your logic, the Leafs should have won the cup this year because Montreal made it to the finals last year. We were "That close last year" right???

By the way. I am going to spare you from responding to me, because I know EXACTLY what you're going to say.

"You're actually comparing Tampa to Montreal?? Montreal's run last year was a total fluke. That's why they finished dead last and won the draft lottery this year. Tampa is so much better then them and this years 1st round loss "was different" then years past"

Did I just about cover it?

That wasn't my point and you know it. So stop making excuses for this team.


I just caught that too!

No.

My question is much simpler.

Who is the 2nd best team in the league?
How do you determine the 2nd best team in the playoffs?
Is it an improvement year after year if you go from dead last 6 years ago to 2nd best this year?

Is 2nd best sufficient?
No.

Am I going to blow the team up if they are indeed the 2nd best team in the league, knowing that they should have beaten the best team in the league after an extremely tight 7 game series?
No.

How much more improvement is needed to go from barely 2nd best to best?

Now, most importantly, does the best team always win the championships?

 

[Mohar Ikram]

Boring.... As expected.

 

[The Masters]

Six years in a row first round exists and shanny comes out and gives his votes of confidence to GM, coach and core.

What is going to break shanny? 8 years in a row? What will be the straw that breaks his back?

He wants to bring them back? Fine. But don't laugh at questions and talk as if you just lost in the conference finals. They both acted entitled and like they were above everyone in that room. Go take a hike. You guys stink.

 

[HoweHullOrr]

I guess the question is what happens with Matthews at the end of the 2022-23 season when he gets his NMC?

Things have been rough based on lack of playoff success and the cap situation, but it's not going to get any easier.

Another first round exit next year and then having a tough decision to make on Matthews - yikes. And one first round win is a pretty low bar as well, especially for a team with the money we have.

 

[notbias]

Anything I or anyone else says that's remotely negative, you just spin, and then when you have nothing to say, it's insults

There is some valid criticism, but most doesn't follow logic, like blaming the GM for constructing a team that is not built for the playoffs, then blaming the coach for not winning with the team that is not constructed for the playoffs, then praising the team saying it is the most talented team we've had in a long time, even though it is not constructed for the playoffs.

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

There is some valid criticism, but most doesn't follow logic, like blaming the GM for constructing a team that is not built for the playoffs, then blaming the coach for not winning with the team that is not constructed for the playoffs, then praising the team saying it is the most talented team we've had in a long time, even though it is not constructed for the playoffs.

How were they not constructed for the playoffs? We may very well be the best team Tampa plays on their way to the three-peat.

Whereever you think the gaps are on this team, all but maybe Tampa and Colorado have just as many, and most have a lot more.

I have greivances with the moves made the last two seasons but this years roster was undoubtably built for the playoffs and a long run had we played literally anybody else.

 

[notbias]

How were they not constructed for the playoffs? We may very well be the best team Tampa plays on their way to the three-peat.

Whereever you think the gaps are on this team, all but maybe Tampa and Colorado have just as many, and most have a lot more.

I have greivances with the moves made the last two seasons but this years roster was undoubtably built for the playoffs and a long run had we played literally anybody else.

Ask Tuttle, those are his claims

 

[ShaneFalco]

There is some valid criticism, but most doesn't follow logic, like blaming the GM for constructing a team that is not built for the playoffs, then blaming the coach for not winning with the team that is not constructed for the playoffs, then praising the team saying it is the most talented team we've had in a long time, even though it is not constructed for the playoffs.

You could have 5 Gretzky's and still lose in the playoffs because you don't have the right balance of skill/compete/toughness/cap allocation/supporting cast. You can also have a coach, who like the team, does well in the regular season, but has no answers when teams clog up centre ice and shut the Leafs down. A coach that had Thornton playing key situations. A coach who once again, had a sub-par PP in the playoffs, and who keeps MM & AM together when it clearly isn't working. Who though Justin Holl was the answer

 

[ShaneFalco]

I have greivances with the moves made the last two seasons but this years roster was undoubtably built for the playoffs and a long run had we played literally anybody else.

Again, 3rd and 4th lines barely provide anything in the playoffs. MM & AM shut down in the biggest games. A goalie away from starting Hutch (I jest but it's close). JT on decline, Muzzin on decline, Kase a non-factor, Holl being Holl, a coach who can't adapt..... doesn't sound like a team that could have gone on a long playoff run if only we didn't play TB. Just more excuses

 

[TorMapleJays]

Can’t buy cup experience?

Hmmm.


Yes you can.

We have brought in several NHL high profile talent but for the most part (Muzzin) they have not WON.

We bring in Simmonds .. not won, Thornton, not won, Marleau, not won, Tavares (I like him) not won.

Bring in some big (yes mean Dubas) type A personality guys (They may have liked trump tweets) sorry for progressive agendas, and for the love of God get this team playing with some heart and soul.

Just because your an inclusive management team doesn’t mean you always have to allow other teams to advance further then us.


Management is soft.

Blue and white desease.

I think I’m going to start a thread over the last 6 years of our post-mortem pressers so that everyone can see.

Also should post the post series comments of the Lightning!

It’s like getting dumped for Brad Pitt and being like hey! Look at who I lost her too!

 

[TorMapleJays]

I am so confused... the team is not built for playoff success but you want to fire a coach who lost back-to-back-to-back-to-back-to-back-to-back deciding games, and back-to-back-to-back-to-back-to-back-to-back-to-back-to-back-to-back-to-back elimination games with a team that had no business doing that since the team is not constructed for playoff success?

Yes.

Hi everyone.

Tampa is in our division. Using that as a poor draw is no excuse. We get them first round or second round.

That’s the bar.

We failed. Again.

0-6
0-10

 

[theTTC]

"almost beat"
The new team slogan

or... "It stings"

 

[Brobust]

"almost beat"
The new team slogan

This is so childish. He just called you out for a dumb post and this is your response?

 

[ShaneFalco]

This is so childish. He just called you out for a dumb post and this is your response?

Yup

 

[saltming]

Based on what Dubas said about Keefe in the presser, you can chalk up the 2nd strike now.

I'm really hoping that's just media speak.

There is the real possibility we can't land Trotz as there is the going home enticement for him, but if we don't knock on that door or others that might be available, then that's strike 2.

We wont trade DeRozan comes to mind. Say the right thing but then when the right opportunity strikes, Suze it by the throat

 

[Tufted Titmouse]

Six years in a row first round exists and shanny comes out and gives his votes of confidence to GM, coach and core.

What is going to break shanny? 8 years in a row? What will be the straw that breaks his back?

the new Muskoka Five appears to be the Muskoka Management group. Small tweaks only, years continue to waste away, fans keep coming back for more.

If we lose next year again, instead of "run it back", the parroted line will be "well this is their group, so they should all go out together with one last push" or something like that. Before we know it, 10 years will have passed. In those 10 years, almost every rival will have had all kinds of new memories and legendary runs to look back on.

Hughes is doing an excellent job in Montreal. Sweeney has made some great draft choices and looks like he will be able to plug some holes on the fly, and has done a great job managing cap. Tampa is locked in for a few more years with all their core. It won't get easier.