Confirmed with Link: Shanahan, Dubas, Keefe all staying

[mikeyz]

This is getting old, seriously.

There are changes every year, this year will be no different so nobody's running back the same thing. So instead of yelling at the clouds, what changes do you want to see?

GM?
Coach?
President?
Goalie?
1 of the big 4?
More than 1 of the big 4?
Changes in supporting forwards - more grit or WE?
Changes on defence?

All of the above? Some of the above? Fire everyone, trade all our good players and start over again?

Do you know what’s “getting old”?

Losing in the 1st round year after year after year after year after year after year, especially considering that they set a playoff futility record with this most recent loss.

 

[Gallagbi]

oh i am sorry. I didn't realize the world was ending this evening.

It ended Saturday. This is purgatory.

 

[yubbers]

oh i am sorry. I didn't realize the world was ending this evening.

LOL. It's not. But I've been saying Dubas is wasting our AM years for about 4 years now. I'd much rather eat crow than be right. But I continue to be right. We have to get rid of Dubas. He's a weak leader.

 

[Gabriel426]

People here and medias kept talking about Dubas with a Kawhi trade and the player going out is Willie.
Question is, Willie is not at Kawhi level and which teams who got a Kawhi is willing to trade him for Willie plus?
If there is going to be a Kawhi like trade, the guy going out will be MM. Most likely First team All Star again and a 100pts player.
If I am the GM of a team having Kawhi type player- Sid or Marchand or even Kopitar. I think I will ask for Marner instead of Willie plus package. The Golden rule is always getting the best player in a deal and not trading the best player away for a package that one of the players could be better. From memory, I think the only deal that worked for a team who traded away the best player but got a package that had one player turned out to be the best player in the trade was the Lindros trade out of Quebec but if Lindros was healthy, he might had a better career than Forsberg.

I love how we are bringing up Masai and how much of an A class GM he is and trying to use his building of teams and compare it to Shanny's Leafs.

Lots of differences and approach. I watch a ton of Raps for a long long long time now and one of masai's biggest fans. I studied how he transformed the Raptors.

Lots of patience, identifying talent, 2 way players, emphasis on defense and leadership.

and a big one - never afraid to shake things up. He has balls.

I truly believe this is leaf's derozan/kawhi off-season. Fully expect Nylander and some other guys to be on their way out for more 2 way players. ITS ALL ABOUT THE PLAYOFFS.

If Masai is the GM, I bet you he already got plans to convince JT waive his NTC and will put in motion once the playoffs is over.

 

[pcruz]

Do you know what’s “getting old”?

Losing in the 1st round year after year after year after year after year after year, especially considering that they set a playoff futility record with this most recent loss.

Tampa is going to sweep Florida a round after barely squeaking past the Leafs.
By barely, I mean relying on the officials calling back a goal because of a play that is made every single game multiple times.

I don't see how Toronto doesn't treat Florida the same way Tampa is. Especially since Tampa has lost a bunch of key players since they last played Toronto.

The sky isn't always falling, and what happened 2, 3, 4, 12, 50 years ago doesn't have any bearing on how good the the team is right now.

I don't care about that record because it has no effect on tomorrow.

Stop perpetuating these historic figures because they mean f*** all.

 

[Bomber0104]

Do you know what’s “getting old”?

Losing in the 1st round year after year after year after year after year after year, especially considering that they set a playoff futility record with this most recent loss.

That's one too many "after years"

The Leafs lost in a play-in round against Columbus, so not technically the 1st round...

Minor technicality.

If the Dekes For Days account posted during the playoffs and off-season, I'm sure they'd spend about 10 pages arguing that...

 

[Daisy Jane]

LOL. It's not. But I've been saying Dubas is wasting our AM years for about 4 years now. I'd much rather eat crow than be right. But I continue to be right. We have to get rid of Dubas. He's a weak leader.

so is he dying tomorrow?

it took Ovechkin 14 years to win a cup. and he's still looking amazing. Im not saying that the Leafs don't have to get their poop together and figure things out , but the whole "Let's do it like Chicago and Pittsburgh" train left a lonnnng time ago.

and again it's very easy to say "Get rid of Dubas, He's a weak leader." who do you want to get? Who is out there who is available? Then what do you want them to do? To go get? Like I keep seeing, the Leafs need to do something, as if there are a multitude of options obviously do and they are just not doing it. and clearly if they hired an assistant GM, y'all freak out because they didn't do it before either.

also also, this is still predicated on the fat that since Shanahan basically didn't come out firing people live on television that they are assuming that between now + training camp something won't be done.

 

[Bomber0104]

Tampa is going to sweep Florida a round after barely squeaking past the Leafs.
By barely, I mean relying on the officials calling back a goal because of a play that is made every single game multiple times.

I don't see how Toronto doesn't treat Florida the same way Tampa is. Especially since Tampa has lost a bunch of key players since they last played Toronto.

The sky isn't always falling, and what happened 2, 3, 4, 12, 50 years ago doesn't have any bearing on how good the the team is right now.

I don't care about that record because it has no effect on tomorrow.

Stop perpetuating these historic figures because they mean f*** all.

Coulda, KORPISALO!, shoulda, CAREY PRICE!!, woulda, REFS!!!!11

Team is no better than it was when Washington beat them in the first round and won the Cup soon after, back in 2017.

The Leafs are still first round losers.

There's no difference until they can somehow show otherwise, and this is what's been said for quite some time now.

It's not going away.

 

[DarkKnight]

Do you know what’s “getting old”?

Losing in the 1st round year after year after year after year after year after year, especially considering that they set a playoff futility record with this most recent loss.

You know what is sad and bottomline? You didn’t even exaggerate the year after year….WOW.

 

[pcruz]

Coulda, shoulda, woulda.

Team is no better than it was when Washington beat them and won the Cup soon after, back in 2017.

First round losers still.

This is such a small-minded thought process.

It's not surprising coming from Leafs fans though.

We're watching it live, how Tampa is rag-dolling a team that is supposed to be great (I mean they made the 2nd round so they're amazing right) despite not having the same kind of lop-sided officiating they enjoyed against Toronto.

Spare us all this "the sky is falling" bullshit and learn to rationally critique your own home instead of jumping from one extreme to another.

 

[Bomber0104]

This is such a small-minded thought process.

It's not surprising coming from Leafs fans though.

We're watching it live, how Tampa is rag-dolling a team that is supposed to be great (I mean they made the 2nd round so they're amazing right) despite not having the same kind of lop-sided officiating they enjoyed against Toronto.

Spare us all this "the sky is falling" bullshit and learn to rationally critique your own home instead of jumping from one extreme to another.

Montreal rag-dolled the competition after beating the Leafs.

Did that also make you feel good about this nearly-identical team blowing a 3-1 series lead to them?

You must have memory issues because in case you don't remember, this team has absolutely no track record of winning virtually anything.

They deserve not even the slightest benefit of your doubt, yet you're holding them up to some gold standard of Cup winners.

I feel bad.

"Not surprising coming from Leafs fans though"

Like you're some authority talking down to anyone.

You are the shining pinnacle of what you're speaking of, gaslighting..

 

[DarkKnight]

This is such a small-minded thought process.

It's not surprising coming from Leafs fans though.

We're watching it live, how Tampa is rag-dolling a team that is supposed to be great (I mean they made the 2nd round so they're amazing right) despite not having the same kind of lop-sided officiating they enjoyed against Toronto.

Spare us all this "the sky is falling" bullshit and learn to rationally critique your own home instead of jumping from one extreme to another.

Nothing says Leafs fan like rationalizing your loss by actually looking at the next series and saying “see look how nobody can beat them”. Leafs fans, losers alright lol.

 

[Zanks]

I love how we are bringing up Masai and how much of an A class GM he is and trying to use his building of teams and compare it to Shanny's Leafs.

Lots of differences and approach. I watch a ton of Raps for a long long long time now and one of masai's biggest fans. I studied how he transformed the Raptors.

Lots of patience, identifying talent, 2 way players, emphasis on defense and leadership.

and a big one - never afraid to shake things up. He has balls.

I truly believe this is leaf's derozan/kawhi off-season. Fully expect Nylander and some other guys to be on their way out for more 2 way players. ITS ALL ABOUT THE PLAYOFFS.

This guy gets it.

 

[pcruz]

Nothing says Leafs fan like rationalizing your loss by actually looking at the next series and saying “see look how nobody can beat them”. Leafs fans, losers alright lol.

Nothing screams low intelligence more than ignoring the facts around you.

When the conversation is about whether this team has improved or not, there are many ways to gauge that.
Whether the team wins in the first round or not is not the only way.

Screaming that because the team didn't win is a condemnation on whether the team is any better while ignoring every external factor is utterly stupid, short-sided and entirely consistent with the frothing Toronto fanbase who also had the same mentality with regards to Kessel and Bozak years ago.

 

[DarkKnight]

Nothing screams low intelligence more than ignoring the facts around you.

When the conversation is about whether this team has improved or not, there are many ways to gauge that.
Whether the team wins in the first round or not is not the only way.

Screaming that because the team didn't win is a condemnation on whether the team is any better while ignoring every external factor is utterly stupid, short-sided and entirely consistent with the frothing Toronto fanbase who also had the same mentality with regards to Kessel and Bozak years ago.

Yes winning is the only way to measure success in sport, and it takes zero intelligence to compute that.

 

[Bomber0104]

Nothing says Leafs fan like rationalizing your loss by actually looking at the next series and saying “see look how nobody can beat them”. Leafs fans, losers alright lol.

Each round Tampa progresses gets us an extra Star Sticker on our Playoff Participation Ribbon!

Yes winning is the only way to measure success in sport, and it takes zero intelligence to compute that.

This is actually a debate...

I cannot f***ing believe this right now.

My mind is actually being blown.

We're being led to believe that advancing to the Cup is somehow NOT our organization's goal and there's mysterious OTHER things that matter....

 

[DarkKnight]

Each round Tampa progresses gets us an extra Star Sticker on our Playoff Participation Ribbon!

The team we did this with last year won the draft lottery this year, so…. Who cares. It’s too funny being called low intelligence by people who rationalize the essence of SPORT.

 

[pcruz]

Yes winning is the only way to measure success in sport, and it takes zero intelligence to compute that.

Yes. That is true.

However, with your own eyes, go ahead and read what I wrote. Do it slowly so that you catch it all:

"When the conversation is about whether this team has improved or not, there are many ways to gauge that".

No mention of "measure success", instead, gauge improvement.

 

[saffronleaf]

Tampa is going to sweep Florida a round after barely squeaking past the Leafs.
By barely, I mean relying on the officials calling back a goal because of a play that is made every single game multiple times.

I don't see how Toronto doesn't treat Florida the same way Tampa is. Especially since Tampa has lost a bunch of key players since they last played Toronto.

The sky isn't always falling, and what happened 2, 3, 4, 12, 50 years ago doesn't have any bearing on how good the the team is right now.

I don't care about that record because it has no effect on tomorrow.

Stop perpetuating these historic figures because they mean f*** all.

leafs would probably play down to them and lose. like they did against montreal.

 

[Bomber0104]

Yes. That is true.

However, with your own eyes, go ahead and read what I wrote. Do it slowly so that you catch it all:

"When the conversation is about whether this team has improved or not, there are many ways to gauge that".

No mention of "measure success", instead, gauge improvement.

All that is is verbose word salad garbage that means less than nothing.

What means something is actual results.

Here's the results so far:

NOTHING

6 consecutive first round playoff defeats in a row.

"Gauge improvement" what in the actual eff are you even on about

 

[saffronleaf]

Yes winning is the only way to measure success in sport, and it takes zero intelligence to compute that.

are you seriously telling me that respect at the handshake line counts for nothing?

 

[Bomber0104]

The team we did this with last year won the draft lottery this year, so…. Who cares. It’s too funny being called low intelligence by people who rationalize the essence of SPORT.

Dubas fans are going to try to cancel the Cup next year, I'm sure, after they realize they'll never win it with him as a GM.

The President's Trophy / Natural Stat Trick Expected% leader will be touted as the real win.

 

[DarkKnight]

Yes. That is true.

However, with your own eyes, go ahead and read what I wrote. Do it slowly so that you catch it all:

"When the conversation is about whether this team has improved or not, there are many ways to gauge that".

No mention of "measure success", instead, gauge improvement.

We lost in the first round again, so no improvement. I liked some things, sure, but I can’t accept the status quo again, it speaks to this culture of comfort and borderline self satisfaction.

 

[DarkKnight]

are you seriously telling me that respect at the handshake line counts for nothing?

You know what’s funny about that, people quoting the TB players praising us, go back every year and listen to the same things said about many teams they turfed. Like listen to what they said about the Isles last year, it might put things into perspective for some here.

 

[Shayne Corsi]

My god, the stockholm syndrome here is real. The Toronto Snowflakes have lost again ... shocking. Are people actually watching these games and seeing different things? Our key players *literally* coast into the corners, lest they get checked.

Look at the Sundin era leafs: solid but unspectacular offense, excellent goaltending, and a sh*t tonne of grit. We have continually failed to address the goaltending and grit issues, wildly overpaid entitled RFAs who had zero leverage and Dubas is so arrogant that he still believes his flouting of conventional wisdom re: building a contender is *right*. We refuse to shoot the puck, and spend all of our time gilding the lily.

This team is not good at its core, and moves at the margins are not going to fix it.