Confirmed with Link: Shanahan, Dubas, Keefe all staying

[Trapper]

Leaf fans vs Dubas fans
And fear of being worse if changes are made

This should be our theme song for this season.
Shanahan is out of touch, Dubas should be out of time and I’m out of head that they’re still around. wo-o-oo

 

[Stamkos4life]

What do you mean by "zero meaning". Meaning in what way?

I've said so many times that I want playoff success, the regular season is a warmup basically. If on the other hand were talking about how to assess how good or bad teams are, then the regular season has a ton of meaning. Our regular season success in that regard is a HUGE argument in favour of us being a good team, not sure how anyone could argue otherwise.

After last year, most people acknowledged that regular season success means nothing.

We have made the first round of the playoffs / qualifier every year since 2017.

The goal is to win the cup, not the presidents trophy.

If the gm can't win even a single round, he needs to be fired. That is if you are an actual leaf fan and not a dubas fan boy.

 

[PromisedLand]

That mantra has never made sense anyways. More winning almost always means more profits. Wouldn't MLSE like the revenue from 6-12 extra home dates from a Stanley Cup finals run? Can you imagine the price of a ticket in the last row way up in the rafters for a Stanley Cup finals game?

I actually don't think profits have much to do with the issue with Shanahan. I think Shanahan (and Dubas) chose an approach and they want to prove that it can be successful, and be able to say 'I told you so'. It's a high stakes gamble - if it works they look great, but if next season ends essentially the same I think the entire group gets shown the door from Shanahan on down.

If Shanahan was to change GMs, he probably buys himself more time. If Dubas fires Keefe or trades one of the core, he might buy himself time. If they run it back, what justification will there be for ownership to keep them unless there is significant improvement in the playoffs next season?

But thats the thing man; I really do not want Dubas making any major moves that will impact Leafs future. I am afraid he will deal 1st rounders and what not for this upcoming season; sign some stupid contracts and worst trades one of the core pieces for a very disappointing return. We gonna be screwed; especially with Matthews' UFA status comes ever closer.

Need some competence at the top and needed it yesterday!

 

[Buds17]

I wouldn't read too much into a NTC. If a player like Mrazek is looking like his career is dwindling and isn't wanted here or getting a spot on the roster, I'm sure he would be willing to go to any team that gives him a chance. I know I would rather play in Buffalo or Arizona over playing in the AHL or sitting in the press box.

A 10 team NTC doesn't sound strong enough to make a GM's situation overly difficult. That said, there might be $3.8M reasons why Mrazek won't be sitting in the pressbox or ~$2.7M reasons why he won't be in the AHL. Of course, I'm not privy to his list and whether or not he could veto a trade to a Buffalo or Arizona.

 

[Mess]

Wonder if this even entered the thought process of Shanny declaring everyone staying and everything fine?

Perhaps he doesn't understand the odds his management team is delivering are breaking records, but not in a positive way.

If something like that doesn't force change in an effort to get better results than sadly nothing else much will.

 

[Stamkos4life]

This is getting old, seriously.

There are changes every year, this year will be no different so nobody's running back the same thing. So instead of yelling at the clouds, what changes do you want to see?

GM?
Coach?
President?
Goalie?
1 of the big 4?
More than 1 of the big 4?
Changes in supporting forwards - more grit or WE?
Changes on defence?

All of the above? Some of the above? Fire everyone, trade all our good players and start over again?

You are correct, it is getting quite old running it back with the exact same leadership.

When a business has changed their workers, but not their management, and they keep failing, most would realize it's the management that's at fault.

Shanny has been here for 8 years.

Dubas was hired in 2014 and has been gm for 4 years.

Both need to be fired. That is if you actually want to see the Leafs make progress in the playoffs.

 

[ShaneFalco]

This is common on Twitter

 

[PromisedLand]

Leaf fans vs Dubas fans
And fear of being worse if changes are made

Some of us are intelligent enough to see through the propaganda.

But the dubas fan boys just drink it up.

I wonder if the media supports dubas due to his "wokeness".

Anyone else in Toronto would be roasted alive for wasting 4 years of the most promising team I've seen.

I think the hilarious bit of this was I was going at it with some of the folks on twitter; they kept calling me names and what not thinking I am some "typical" leafs fan who has had a privileged upbringing and looks a certain way.

When I shared that I am not and I belong to one of the groups that the woke community apparently tries to stand up for who is not happy with how Leafs management has handled things; the speed at which their derogatory tweets towards me disappeared it was faster than the speed of light .

I am just sad that I didn't do a print screen of those tweets. It would have been glorious to retweet them to them to show they go off on people without even knowing who they are going off on LOL

 

[Stamkos4life]

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Wonder if this even entered the thought process of Shanny declaring everyone staying and everything fine?

Perhaps he doesn't understand the odds his management team is delivering.

Isn't it 6 years in a row?

We've made the playoffs every year since 2017. Or are they not counting the playoff qualifier?

 

[Gary Nylund]

After last year, most people acknowledged that regular season success means nothing.

We have made the first round of the playoffs / qualifier every year since 2017.

The goal is to win the cup, not the presidents trophy.

If the gm can't win even a single round, he needs to be fired. That is if you are an actual leaf fan and not a dubas fan boy.

So if the regular season means nothing, you must have thought MTL would be a top contender this season. Yikes!

 

[3blizzard4]

Not to mention, why was marner at the movies two days after being eliminated. I'm not saying he deserved the car jacking obviously but that was eye opening for me. If I was getting eleven million a year to do a job and I failed at it I would at least stay at home and think about why I failed.

Like seriously. The leafs he could have done was start a poll here giving us a few options on how he could spend his private time.

 

[Mess]

Isn't it 6 years in a row?

We've made the playoffs every year since 2017. Or are they not counting the playoff qualifier?

It is 6 years in a row of 1st round losses but year #1 the Leafs lost to Washington in 6 games so there wasn't a winner take all series game as Leafs never had a opportunity to get to a series wining game.

So only the last 5 have set a new record in sports.

 

[Racer88]

A 10 team NTC doesn't sound strong enough to make a GM's situation overly difficult. That said, there might be $3.8M reasons why Mrazek won't be sitting in the pressbox or ~$2.7M reasons why he won't be in the AHL. Of course, I'm not privy to his list and whether or not he could veto a trade to a Buffalo or Arizona.

In my opinion the 10 team NTC will be a major hurdle because most likely they only team that would want him will be a bottom feeder or a team that needs a goalie and also needs to get to the cap floor. He most likely will not want to go there as he proba thinks he still has something to offer a good team

It is 6 years in a row of 1st round losses but year #1 the Leafs lost to Washington in 6 games so there wasn't a winner take all series game as Leafs never had a opportunity to get to a series wining game.

So only the last 5 have set a new record in sports.

Oh gee that makes me feel much better.

 

[notbias]

Not to mention, why was marner at the movies two days after being eliminated. I'm not saying he deserved the car jacking obviously but that was eye opening for me. If I was getting eleven million a year to do a job and I failed at it I would at least stay at home and think about why I failed.

 

[leafsfan5]

This is common on Twitter

Twitter has some insane takes

These people are all truly fine with keeping the same situation and hoping for a different result. You know the saying, 7th times the charm!

 

[Nylanderthal]

There's no way you expected 4 consecutive failures with dubas as gm. Will one more be enough? Or are you happy as long as dubas gets to keep his job?

I prefer the current group to the alternatives and the suggestions put forth by bozos like yourself

 

[ShaneFalco]

I prefer the current group to the alternatives and the suggestions put forth by bozos like yourself

When you have nothing you result to insults every time.

 

[Primary Assist]

Such mixed feelings on this. We can't deny how good this Leafs team is, they just got the literal worst matchup in the NHL and still took them to within 1 goal in Game 7. Odds are the team the management group built would have made it to the ECF if they just beat the Bolts.

But then again... They lost. They lost after losing time and time again. And again.

I wonder if they even inquired about Trotz - he's the kind of coach that could turn this franchise around and even if Matthews wouldn't be a perennial Rocket candidate under his watch he most certainly would be the front runner for the Selke. More importantly, they may even be able to win 4 games in one postseason.

 

[Nylanderthal]

When you have nothing you result to insults every time.

That posters profile pick is literally of a clown
Edit; weren’t you called out earlier by Gary for using derogatory and insulting names towards the management and coach? Super rich

 

[Gabriel426]

Masai is pretty much doing what Dubas wants to do.
1. Draft and develop unearth gems that were pasted by other teams due to whatever reasons but are actually good to great players. Fred, Siakam…. Who had Dubas drafted and developed that bested the system?
2. Hire a young/rookie coach that thinks outside the box and win. Nurse and Keefe. One won Championship while the other couldn’t get out of first round.
3. Bet on Superstar to lead the way. Masai always look for the truly elite stars and won’t fall into the fallacy of good players being great. Kawhi and DD. Not going name names on the Leafs.
4. Bring players in that could help the team win the Championships and build properly.
5. Most importantly, Masai identifies the problems and try to fix it instead of hoping it will sort out by itself.

To me, the Leafs need a better goalie. I love Jack and think he is too good a person to pass on but can he be count on to steal a game or two in the playoffs?
The other thing the team needs to adjust is their mentality and mental approach to the game. I think they made huge growth this past series compared to the last few years but they should have made them three seasons ago and not now. I think having a coach like Trotz will help them continue to improve. Bc I just don’t have faith in Keefe anymore to give that edge to the boys in the playoffs.
The structure of the team needs to change. They either need to find players to max JT and Willie effectiveness on two separate lines, or let JT plays with MM and have AM and Willie on separate lines…the point is AM, MM m, Willie and JT needs to not only produce for themselves but also need to make other players on their lines a lot better than their contracts.
Or just trade one or two of the 10mil plus players and Willie to restructure the team inorder to add more depth. Let’s say 32.5mil of the cap goes to Dmen and Goalies and 50mil goes to forwards. If that’s the case the first line should be 23mil, 2nd line 15mil, 3rd line 7mil and 4th line 3mil. If they can fit the big 4 under that and still be effective, great. If not, something have to give.
You look at TB and their big three forwards are around 27mil, that’s 6mil less than ours. If Leafs have that extra 6mil, they could use that and replace a current 750k player on the roster, which means 6.75mil to spend on a player. That’s another Willie’s level player.

 

[ShaneFalco]

Twitter has some insane takes

These people are all truly fine with keeping the same situation and hoping for a different result. You know the saying, 7th times the charm!

Worst part is they don't even realize what going for it every year does to the organization

 

[paulhiggins]

Hard to shut down an Old Boys Club even though the only members are Keefe, Dubas and Shanahan. I'd like to see what goes on behind closed doors...on second thought...maybe not.

 

[keonsbitterness]

Like seriously. The leafs he could have done was start a poll here giving us a few options on how he could spend his private time.

He should have gone on a two-week hunger strike to make it up to the fans.

 

[JKG33]

Imagine having such a smooth brain to think that management should be fired. This is the deepest, most talented Leafs team ever assembled. Hockey is, and always will be, an extremely random sport with incredible amount of variance.

Oh, it’s also difficult to beat arguably the best team in the league in a seven game series when the league gifts one goal to the opposing team, while stealing one from ours.

Imagine being such a smooth brain that you think Dubas and co should've been brought back after back to back losses to Columbus and Montreal

 

[Leaf Fans]

What time is the x60 parade today, same time as last year? I’m still hung over from the zone entry celebration, that was a time and a half friends.

Any time you want it to be. It's your imagination.