Everybody thinks this, but again, there is no evidence for thinking that is the case.
Prospect Info: Shakir Mukhamadullin (#20 pick - 2020 draft)
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Everybody thinks this, but again, there is no evidence for thinking that is the case.
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I think Fitz was committed to taking at least one dman with those first 3 picks and Mukhamadullin was the top dman at 20 after they went BPA with 7 and 18. Maybe Schneider was ahead of Mukhamadullin on their board but thank goodness they didn't take him at 18 instead of Mercer out of fear of him going at 19!
Schneider also isn't lighting the world on fire, like if they traded Mukhamadullin for Schneider right now I don't think I'm doing cartwheels even if it's probably a positive EV trade for NJ. Mukhamadullin is trending nicely, he's got an unusual development path ahead of him but there are some KHL dmen have made the transition (Artem Zub comes to mind, Romanov has been more of a mixed bag but he's doing it as well). Hopefully UFA turns him into a star now that he's committed to being there longer.
Schneider also isn't lighting the world on fire, like if they traded Mukhamadullin for Schneider right now I don't think I'm doing cartwheels even if it's probably a positive EV trade for NJ. Mukhamadullin is trending nicely, he's got an unusual development path ahead of him but there are some KHL dmen have made the transition (Artem Zub comes to mind, Romanov has been more of a mixed bag but he's doing it as well). Hopefully UFA turns him into a star now that he's committed to being there longer.
Call Me Al
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To me, it signals that he's not coming over unless he gets penciled into an NHL spot out of the gate which is I think the source of the alarm.
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Fitz said he tried to find a trade but failed. He also said they weren’t taking Schneider, though it makes sense that the Rangers thought they might because it’s easy to predict the team going defense with their 3rd pick and he was the next defenseman predicted to go off the board.
The three way deals between the Rags-Flames-Caps were the only trades in the 1st round so we missed out on a extra 3rd (which would have been nice but not the asset some people think we lost out on).
This is what the teams started out with:
Calgary
CGY 1st #19
Rangers
CAR 1st #22 (From Carolina from Brady Skjei trade)
NYR 3rd #72
Capitals
WAS 1st #24
ARI 3rd #80 (Colorado got it for Carl Söderbeg and traded it for André Burakovsky)
What they ended up with
Rangers
CGY 1st #19 (Braden Schneider)
Capitals
CAR 1st #22 (Hendrix Lapierre)
Calgary
WAS 1st #24 (Connor Zary)
NYR 3rd #72 (Jérémie Poirier)
ARI 3rd #80 (Jake Boltmann)
The three way deals between the Rags-Flames-Caps were the only trades in the 1st round so we missed out on a extra 3rd (which would have been nice but not the asset some people think we lost out on).
This is what the teams started out with:
Calgary
CGY 1st #19
Rangers
CAR 1st #22 (From Carolina from Brady Skjei trade)
NYR 3rd #72
Capitals
WAS 1st #24
ARI 3rd #80 (Colorado got it for Carl Söderbeg and traded it for André Burakovsky)
What they ended up with
Rangers
CGY 1st #19 (Braden Schneider)
Capitals
CAR 1st #22 (Hendrix Lapierre)
Calgary
WAS 1st #24 (Connor Zary)
NYR 3rd #72 (Jérémie Poirier)
ARI 3rd #80 (Jake Boltmann)
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The 2020 has some interesting pick trades in 2nd round (interesting because of they have some of the more standout prospects of that round involved.)
Buffalo
SJS 2nd #34 JJ Peterka
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San Jose
BUF 2nd #38 Thomas Bordeleau
BUF 4th #100
Then…
San Jose
EDM 3rd #76 Daniil Gushchin
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Edmonton
BUF 4th #100 Carter Savoie
OTT 5th #126 Tyler Tullio
(from Sens in Hoffman trade)
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Ottawa
TOR 2nd #44 Tyler Kleven
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Toronto
NYI 2nd #59 Roni Hirvonen
(from Isles in Pageau trade)
OTT 3rd #64 Topi Niemelä
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Los Angeles
EDM 2nd #45 Brock Faber
(from Oilers in Athanasiou trade)
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Detroit
VAN 2nd #51 Theodor Niederbach
(from Canucks in Toffoli trade)
LAK 4th #97 Sam Stange
Buffalo
SJS 2nd #34 JJ Peterka
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San Jose
BUF 2nd #38 Thomas Bordeleau
BUF 4th #100
Then…
San Jose
EDM 3rd #76 Daniil Gushchin
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Edmonton
BUF 4th #100 Carter Savoie
OTT 5th #126 Tyler Tullio
(from Sens in Hoffman trade)
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Ottawa
TOR 2nd #44 Tyler Kleven
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Toronto
NYI 2nd #59 Roni Hirvonen
(from Isles in Pageau trade)
OTT 3rd #64 Topi Niemelä
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Los Angeles
EDM 2nd #45 Brock Faber
(from Oilers in Athanasiou trade)
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Detroit
VAN 2nd #51 Theodor Niederbach
(from Canucks in Toffoli trade)
LAK 4th #97 Sam Stange
Guadana
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Chizhov is Salavat sport director. If he think that "AHL IS NOT AN OPTION" - this is still only his thoughts.
If someone stiil think we should did not draft him, or draft some one like wallinder over him, I can advise to watch the games. Yes, I am tactful, well-mannered, I do not point out to people the shortcomings in their logical thinking.
If someone stiil think we should did not draft him, or draft some one like wallinder over him, I can advise to watch the games. Yes, I am tactful, well-mannered, I do not point out to people the shortcomings in their logical thinking.
Justin Barron would have been a very good pick at #20, so this is more difficult to argue than Wallinder. Barron is also a RD, which the Devils clearly have an organizational need for. Like Mukhamadullin, Barron was coming off a very mercurial draft-eligible season, and reportedly his rankings on team draft boards were all over the place. The talent is certainly there, and his progression has been very encouraging since he's been drafted. I see him as a very good, two-way second-pairing NHL defender.
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It’s also very possible he was lying. If he wanted Schneider or not I’d imagine he would saying something like that. Not gonna say I wanted Schneider after the Rangers jump in front of the devils to take him.
Again, I agree with you. Wallinder is absolutely not in Mukhamadullin's range as a prospect right now. Only 4 defensemen drafted after #20 overall in 2020 would have any chance at the first round in a 2020 re-draft: Mukhamadullin, Faber, Barron and Niemela. And there is a strong argument that Mukhamadullin has the most upside out of those 4 bright young prospect defenders.
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I like your Fantastic Four. After a year Mukhamadullin isn`t a good player for 20th pick as defenseman only for Ranger fan. For Devils fan, we can easily be happy about our 20th pick, because for now it`s look as good or may be better than Schneider as 19th.
Today isn`t a draft day and everything we have is a player. And if player is good - work was done good. Mukhamadullin is good.
Call Me Al
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and by the extra year he should be good enough for that. in the meantime we have a lot of young lhd fighting for that spot and giving them a chance to boost their value or prove themselves isn’t the worst thing. it would be worse if we didn’t draft hughes but we can afford to wait on this kid and at least he’s playing a major role in a good league
Look, I'm sick of you calling me out on this. My logic knows no bounds.
Guadana
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2 minutes Instigator penalty for me.
I did try to find some calambur about logic bounds, but... bonds? bonuses? nothing didnt built into the structure joke.
My father used to say "Son... if your brain had one more cell... it'd be lonesome.."
That was his tactful, well-mannered way of telling me I'm an idiot.
Guadana
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Did he has strange mole on the shoulder? We may be lost relatives.
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It’s more possible he’s telling the truth about their interest in Muk and inability to trade down before drafting him.
Fitz mentioned that that they were scouting a different player but kept returning to him. He’s on the same KHL team as Rodion Amirov, who was taken at 15 by the Leafs. Team’s draft ranking can be a lot more idiosyncratic than the public ones, which often end up echoing each other.
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You could be right but them being interested in Mukhammadullin and looking to trade back for him doesn’t mean they wouldn’t have taken Schneider if he was available. They could’ve tried to trade back once the Rangers took Schneider or looked at it before in case Schneider was gone. There’s a good chance he was being honest and did actually try to trade back. Or he could’ve just been saying that knowing that people were questioning the pick. I’m just saying I would expect him to say they didn’t want Schneider after the Rangers jumped up to take him regardless of whether that’s true or not. Their interest in Mukhammadullin doesn’t change that.
Hey, maybe they weren’t able to trade back because they waited till the last minute hoping Schneider would get to them and then when he didn’t muhk was there next favourite defensemen and they tried to trade back but it was too late to get it done. Who knows.
BurntToast
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There were supposedly other teams interested in Muk. If they were hoping to move back and get Muk, they were probably limited to how far back they wanted to go.
Like it or not having, the new season starting before the draft boosted many players players.
Like it or not having, the new season starting before the draft boosted many players players.
Lou is God
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Larry Brooks started the rumor that the Rangers jumped us because we were ready to take Schneider, but it was bullshit, Brooks has no sources in the Devils ranks as evidenced its the only time he has claimed to know what we were up to. He speculated and made it sound like fact and people bought into it, especially Rangers fans who like to think they outsmarted us.
The Wumpus
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The evidence against this is that the Devils did not use their 1 alloted time out, and this would be the time to use it. Each team gets one 5 minute extension during the draft, most teams don't end up using it, but it would be something the Devils would consider if they were wrong-footed here by the Rangers' trade up.
The Devils used their timeout in 2015 in the 2nd round after Sebastian Aho was drafted and ended up trading their pick to Ottawa.
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The lesson I've learned:
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That makes sense about 2015 because Shero said they wanted Aho and they only switched gears and targeted a goalie because Aho was gone.
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Barron is the defenseman I was hoping (probably in large part due to your prospect analysis) for and thought they’d go with because he’s a RHD. Oh well.
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