Post-Game Talk: Sewart Skinner in the FLA Swamp

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

You figure it out by getting a goalie who can make a high danger save.

He makes under 3 million. He's actually been playing decent.

The blame shouldn't be on Skinner, but more on management.

Skinner has been very good lately. How about we see what the next few games bring before we sh!t all over him.

 

[Drivesaitl]

He was really good in game 1, I'll give him that. Wasn't overly impressed with him otherwise.


But again, they didn't win in games 1 and 2. If they win even one of those games we're probably having a different conversation. I don't put a ton of stock into a couple garbage time goals in game 3. Why wait until game 3? Why did they put in a piss poor effort in game 2? It's the Stanley Cup Final.
You're treating the Panthers as if they weren't a world class team of their own. They slaughtered the Lightning and had next to no problems with the Bruins either. Shesterkin was the only thing keeping the Rangers from getting swept.

It's next to impossible to win when you score one goal or less, period. 3 games in the series they managed less than 2 goals. Draisatl didn't score once during the series. McDavid was extremely pedestrian until game 4.

You said the series was over after game 2. I'd already dispelled that nonsense. The convo is already done. I've never known it to happen that a SC was awarded and handed out in game 2.

 

[guymez]

Why would I bother, it’s the same not my fault skinner stuff about how the oilers give up higher danger chances.

Bobrovsky was terrible last night and still saved some high danger chances.

Perfect.
Cheers.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Drai was playing injured. As were several other OIlers. This is confirmed information. Apparently you blame Draisaitl, a legendary player for having the Gall to be injured in the playoffs, in the SC final.

just more lame excuses....Panthers players were injured too

Yeah, McD and Drai get a pass because they are generational superstars. I guess you missed that. You're exhibit A for ingrate, you don't deserve players of this caliber. Maybe you deserve Tkachev. lol

ah yes, so they're expected to not do their job in the most important games of their career LMAO

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

You said the series was over after game 2. I'd already dispelled that nonsense. The convo is already done. I've never known it to happen that a SC was awarded and handed out in game 2.

How did you dispel it? They didn't win the series. Maybe in some alternate timeline where they won game 3 they do, but that's just hypotheticals.

A quick google search reveals that only 5 out of 49 teams in the league's entire history have come back from being 2-0 in the Finals to win it all. Not great odds.

You're blaming Skinner for game 3 but still giving a pass to every single scorer for the team in games 1 and 2 where Ekholm scored the lone goal. Why is that?

 

[CanadasTeam99]

just more lame excuses....Panthers players were injured too


ah yes, so they're expected to not do their job in the most important games of their career LMAO

Our goalie can barely do his job and he is defended to no end. Fails multiple times. Why keep blaming the 2 guys who carried this team in the last 2 playoffs.

In a vacuum we can say McDrai did fail in that game. I give Drai a pass he could barely play. Our goalie also let in an atrocious non high danger gwg. Very unfortunate. Who knows what would have happened if the game stayed 1-1 and our sieve didn;t let that easy one in

Edmonton would have been done in round 1 if Pickard didn't come ina nd clean the shit Skinner took ont he ice. This guy need 3 ply Pampers in that series.

Should be thanking 97/29

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

What about the wrister that hit him in the logo that he couldn’t control that bounced in.

He sucked, I don’t know why you defend him even when he’s terrible.

What do you want from him? He's making 2.6? Everyone in the league knows he's not Hellebuyck.

All in all he's been pretty good lately. The time to complain was the start of the year, not when he's been heating up.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Our goalie can barely do his job and he is defended to no end. Fails multiple times. Why keep blaming the 2 guys who carried this team in the last 2 playoffs.

In a vacuum we can say McDrai did fail in that game. I give Drai a pass he could barely play. Our goalie also let in an atrocious non high danger gwg. Very unfortunate. Who knows what would have happened if the game stayed 1-1 and our sieve didn;t let that easy one in

The team had 35 minutes prior to the GWG to score a second one and didn't. In 240 minutes in Florida the Oilers managed 7 goals and 5 of them came in a single game.

 

[Drivesaitl]

How did you dispel it? They didn't win the series. Maybe in some alternate timeline where they won game 3 they do, but that's just hypotheticals.

A quick google search reveals that only 5 out of 49 teams in the league's entire history have come back from being 2-0 in the Finals to win it all. Not great odds.

You're blaming Skinner for game 3 but still giving a pass to every single scorer for the team in games 1 and 2 where Ekholm scored the lone goal. Why is that?

Saying that the series was over after 2 game is just ridiculous and you don't see it, and the majority of posters here probably aren't even seeing your posts.

 

[OilerTyler]

The team had 35 minutes prior to the GWG to score a second one and didn't. In 240 minutes in Florida the Oilers managed 7 goals and 5 of them came in a single game.

If you asked HFBoards before the game if they would be happy if the Oilers and Skinner allowed two goals against in game 7 they'd say hell yeah. That's because our offence is expected to score at least that many on any given night. We're supposed to have one of the best offences in the league. A shame they didn't show up that night.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

If you asked HFBoards before the game if they would be happy if the Oilers and Skinner allowed two goals against in game 7 they'd say hell yeah. That's because our offence is expected to score at least that many on any given night. We're supposed to have one of the best offences in the league. A shame they didn't show up that night.

The power play was a huge disappointment during the series too. Only 2 goals and nothing until game 4. Skinner very obviously had nothing to do with a limp power play, especially when their PK put up that many goals and all but completely neutralized Florida's power play.

 

[TheNumber4]

Yeah, but remember Edmonton MGMT is do or die on the Skinner bandwagon.

Had so many occasions to jump to the hot goalie but whenever it happened. they ignored the solution that was in theirs face.

Kosko outplayed smith in the playoffs but hey gotta go back to the reference picture.
Campbell and Pick outplayed Skinner but who cares.

Somebody somewhere in this org really believe in him getting elite at some point and is so focused on the what if, that they forget to look at what happening every day on the ice.

Oh but what goalie are available?
What about cap space?

Damn it's been 3 years of that shit. And it's not getting better. Sometimes you gotta rip the bandaid to get a good look at what rotten.

Friendly reminder that we got Skinner every chance in the world to prove he could. We pushed goalie outside of the organization to let him breathe. Hell, we demoted Campbell at a time where stu was by far the worst of the 2 goalie.

Wake the fup

Yes Edmonton management beleives in Stu. Theres reasons for that. 16 game win streak where he was the hottest goalie in the League is one reason. They beleived in him all the way to Game 7 of the Cup finals. So are we really going to pretend he was such an egregious wrong choice when we got 99.7% of the way to a Cup?

People can sit there and pretend that that could have happened with another goalie. But we don’t know if another goalie doesnt shit the bed in LA game 5 or Dallas Game 6 when we got outplayed for 60 minutes and get outshot at a near 3-1 ratio. We don’t close Dallas Game 6 and there’s a good chance we are out for good. We lose Dallas Game 1 and there’s a good chance we are out. And maybe another goalie doesn’t shit the bed against Vancouver in games they outplayed us, but we’ll never know. But we do know the tandem of Picks/Skinner lead to a Win against a team that had our number all year.

Just going off memory at that time. Smith was the better bet than Kosko when we went into those playoffs. Skinner was better than Picks and Campbell when that was the choice. Picks gets easier games too for anyone that wants to say it’s “proven” that he’s better than Skinner. If that was the case, it’s easy for management to simply just choose Pickard, I think there’s a reason they don’t and that can be seen by digging into their performances.

Last year, there was a lot of Skinner solutions bandied about. Ned? Lindgren?

 

[Drivesaitl]

If you asked HFBoards before the game if they would be happy if the Oilers and Skinner allowed two goals against in game 7 they'd say hell yeah. That's because our offence is expected to score at least that many on any given night. We're supposed to have one of the best offences in the league. A shame they didn't show up that night.

The best team in the history of hockey lost a game 7 to Calgary of all clubs in 86 and had trouble scoring in that game. The deciding goal ended up being the faux paux where Smith from behind the net banked the series winning goal off his own goalie, Grant Fuhr. you'd be sitting here saying its all of Gretz or Mess or Coffeys fault for not getting that goal back.

Leads, any of them, are huge in game 7's. Its easy to feel stymied in such games and hard to have to chase from behind in such games. Its again the nature of game 7s.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

The best team in the history of hockey lost a game 7 to Calgary of all clubs in 86 and had trouble scoring in that game. The deciding goal ended up being the faux paux where Smith from behind the net banked the series winning goal off his own goalie, Grant Fuhr. you'd be sitting here saying its all of Gretz or Mess or Coffeys fault for not getting that goal back.

Leads, any of them, are huge in game 7's. Its easy to feel stymied in such games and hard to have to chase from behind in such games. Its again the nature of game 7s.

Maybe the Oilers should've beaten the Flames before game 7, right?

I mean the Oilers tied the game on a Janmark miracle. They had plenty of time to score the go ahead goal.

 

[TheNumber4]

11 goals scored last night.

I would argue the two worst goals given up were by Bob.

A bad angle one timer where Bob had a clear view of the preceding pass, that squeaks through his body on average shot from a below average shooter in Brown.

A side of the net Jam play where Bob should have had all the holes covered on that Kapanen goal.

Both times beaten clean. Not a rebound oppurtunity, no weird bounces, no elite seeing eye shots from an elite shooter.

People around here act like the Oilers are supposed to be some defensive stalwart team that relies on elite goaltending to win games. Ask people around the league what our identity is and they'll all say the same thing - elite offence/high scoring. Our payroll structure supports that.

Yet when our $2.6 million goalie has a good finals (2.33, .909 - statistically better than Bobrovsky) and our offence completely disappears in three games people still want to throw all the blame on the goalie. Our offence lost us the finals. It's not really a discussion at all. Has any team ever won a series where they scored 1 goal or less in 3 games? Probably not.

They’ll counter with has any team won if their goalie goes under .900 for 3 games straight.

And the answer is yes, yes they have. Cause Bob did that. For every “bad” game Skinner gave, Bob gave them right back 3 times in a row.

 

[CanadasTeam99]

11 goals scored last night.

I would argue the two worst goals given up were by Bob.

A bad angle one timer where Bob had a clear view of the preceding pass, that squeaks through his body on average shot from a below average shooter in Brown.

A side of the net Jam play where Bob should have had all the holes covered on that Kapanen goal.

Both times beaten clean. Not a rebound oppurtunity, no weird bounces, no elite seeing eye shots from an elite shooter.

so you think the goal Reinhart scored from behind the goal line was not as bad?

What world am I living in

 

[TheNumber4]

What about the wrister that hit him in the logo that he couldn’t control that bounced in.

He sucked, I don’t know why you defend him even when he’s terrible.

That one hit him on his Left Shoulder. Can only see it with slomo and frame by frame with the shit angle the broadcast provided.

It went off his left shoulder popped directly up, and bounced off of the top of Embersons back. Really a crazy sequence of bounces there.

so you think the goal Reinhart scored from behind the goal line was not as bad?

What world am I living in

A perfect shot from one of the Leagues best snipers. Nah I don’t think it was bad goal. It was a great shot. Just like I don’t think this goal by Drai was the fault of Rittich.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

He makes under 3 million. He's actually been playing decent.

The blame shouldn't be on Skinner, but more on management.

Skinner has been very good lately. How about we see what the next few games bring before we sh!t all over him.

Skinner has a clear and established track record of inconsistent play. He’s a backup not a starter but goaltending evaluation, drafting and development has not been a priority with this organization for decades. It’s always an afterthought and until they get serious with the most important position in the game they are putting themselves behind the 8 ball for winning the cup with this goalie.

 

[BIeucheeseWithWings]

Why is Bouchard allowed to continue making mistake after mistake? We are 31 games into the season. Why aren't the coaches sitting down with this guy? Where the f*** is the accountability?

 

[CanadasTeam99]

Why is Bouchard allowed to continue making mistake after mistake? We are 31 games into the season. Why aren't the coaches sitting down with this guy? Where the f*** is the accountability?

Our coach doesn't know what accountability is.

Bouchard should have been sitting long stretches last night. Pretty terrible precedence that this coach sets for others.

I don't even know if he has a pulse TBH. Just like not pulling Skinner on the 4th or even 5th goal

 

[Letsdothis]

Get a goalie. Right f***ing now!

 

[bobbythebrain]

Get a goalie. Right f***ing now!

Aiden Hill!!

 

[TheNumber4]

Why is Bouchard allowed to continue making mistake after mistake? We are 31 games into the season. Why aren't the coaches sitting down with this guy? Where the f*** is the accountability?

Knob indirectly answered this in the presser if you are curious. When asked do you consider reducing his minutes after that first mistake leading to breakaway.

 

[VeteranPresence]

Our coach doesn't know what accountability is.

Bouchard should have been sitting long stretches last night. Pretty terrible precedence that this coach sets for others.

I don't even know if he has a pulse TBH. Just like not pulling Skinner on the 4th or even 5th goal

Or even take a f***ing timeout. I don't know where Knob's ability to read this team has gone but he used to be totally unafraid to call one to settle the troops down. Now he sees the trainwreck coming and just stands there. Reeks of the same smartest man in the room syndrome that got Woody fired.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

Aiden Hill!!

I would love hill.