Post-Game Talk: Sewart Skinner in the FLA Swamp

[Drivesaitl]

so again I say, their 10 million dollar player did his job

our combined 20 million players didn't

In selected short sample Goalies having a great game can trump all. This is the nature of hockey. I can point to a lot of SC's that were decided by goalies. Its why you don't let it get to a game 7 as anything can happen. But Skinner cost us game 3, in a game where we had a wide edge in play. Skinner cost us around 6-7 losses in the playoffs that caused the team to be fatigued by the final, and that caused the team to have to work that much harder to even get to the SC final game 7. By rights Skinner ought to have cost us the Vancouver series and against any better club it would have. Skinner wasn't even adequate in that series.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

In selected short sample Goalies having a great game can trump all. This is the nature of hockey. I can point to a lot of SC's that were decided by goalies. Its why you don't let it get to a game 7 as anything can happen. But Skinner cost us game 3, in a game where we had a wide edge in play. Skinner cost us around 6-7 losses in the playoffs that caused the team to be fatigued by the final, and that caused the team to have to work that much harder to even get to the SC final game 7. By rights Skinner ought to have cost us the Vancouver series and against any better club it would have. Skinner wasn't even adequate in that series.

Maybe they could've scored in games 1 and 2. Just a suggestion. When they came back home down 0-2 they weren't going to come back.

 

[Juxta Position]

So you are just resorting to the fact there is not a better goalie than a bottom 5 goalie? Lets hope management doesn't give up this easy.

It boils downt o one thing. Stuart Skinner has the ability to lose you a game single handedly. Cannot have that come playoff time. He did a few times already.

Sorry, there is no team in the NHL who plays "exceptional D night in and night out".

That is why a goalie gets paid millions of bucks.


We need to stop this nonsense of "we were 2 goals away" BS

Our player had to break a Gretzky NHL assists record to get there.

People really want to go there again and hope our guys can break some records. Lets not make it any easier for them. Lets strap a piano on their backs and see if we can make it back to the finals!

so we weren't 2 goals away? what was I watching last year then...

 

[FiveFourteenSixOne]

I’ll let @Drivesaitl take this hahaha

I feel like debating Kosko over Stu in terms of athleticism is like comparing an aircraft carrier and a cruise ship in terms of speed.

In this analogy only one of them is capable of having a nuclear meltdown, which means Skinner is the aircraft carrier.

you'll get this like. Love Golden Earring!

I thought you preferred a pearl necklace

 

[CanadasTeam99]

This. Blaming McD and Drai to defend Skinner is just headshakingly awful. Feel like I'm taking crazy pills here.

Stu's #1 Stan here (We have about 3-5 of them that will die on this Hill) love to talk smack about our 2 franchise players who got us to that finals to protect SKinner.

It's probably the Oilers (who have done this in the past). Hire a few guys here to circle jerk Skinner a bunch. Try to change some minds.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Its a tough look when the Vincent Desharnais of the Florida Panthers makes it all the way down to the Oilers net uncovered and no Oilers player is within a country mile.

These looks were had also by the Panthers several times. They only started to appear for the Oilers as Skinner was cracking and givng up goals everytime the Oilers scored. The first 3 goals the Oilers scored were laughable positional play from the Panthers. There was another one where the Panthers made FULL CHANGE as the Oilers had the puck. The Panthers telecast were horrified by the lack of attention to detail, from the Panthers. The Oilers game caved only as Skinner did, and had seen him be a risk again in the Vegas game giving Vegas a goal from nothing. How do you think that impacts a bench? Especially when they've seen similar a 100X with the same goalie. This is what amazes me that the Oilers are so professional they rise above the challenge of having a worst starter in net. Skinner is the worst starter in the league that an org intends to have as starter. the only teams with worse starters are those that have their real starter injured.

In this analogy only one of them is capable of having a nuclear meltdown, which means Skinner is the aircraft carrier.



I thought you preferred a pearl necklace

My wife prefers both and then some...heh

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

In selected short sample Goalies having a great game can trump all. This is the nature of hockey. I can point to a lot of SC's that were decided by goalies. Its why you don't let it get to a game 7 as anything can happen. But Skinner cost us game 3, in a game where we had a wide edge in play. Skinner cost us around 6-7 losses in the playoffs that caused the team to be fatigued by the final, and that caused the team to have to work that much harder to even get to the SC final game 7. By rights Skinner ought to have cost us the Vancouver series and against any better club it would have. Skinner wasn't even adequate in that series.

and we scored 1 goal in two games in Games 1 and 2...for a team built on offense, that's pitiful

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

and we scored 1 goal in two games in Games 1 and 2...for a team built on offense, that's pitiful

The funny thing was that the one goal we scored in game 2 was laughably bad. And the Oilers didn't capitalize on that. The Panthers went right back to work and rightfully won that game.

Bobrovsky had an all world game 1 but otherwise wasn't unbeatable.

 

[Drivesaitl]

so we weren't 2 goals away? what was I watching last year then...

WE were only 2 goals away, and only in the SC final in the first place due to an incredibly resilient team playing in front of Skinner. If we're Dallas, Colorado, Vegas, and of the other Western clubs I doubt they even make it past Vancouver down 3-3 in games and with their starter being by miles the worst goalie in the playoffs. Indeed even last playoffs the Avalanche could not overcome it

Credit to the Oilers team resilience. I sure don't credit Skinner for the playoffs last season

I get that you could be tongue in cheek with the reaction.

We get to the final last season only because McD and DRai again went thermonuclear, Hyman had a legend season and playoffs that often results in a SC win. The one spot that cost us the SC is in net We were good enough everywhere else to get the trophy.

 

[Fixed to Ruin]

Looking at the goal visualizer the Mikkola goal is really frustrating.

All McDavid had to do was skate into the zone coming off the bench to support Bouchard rather than standing still by the bench and that whole sequence that leads to the goal probably doesn't happen.

 

[guymez]

And i don't disagree with that.

It's the ridiculous overreactions when the Oilers have a bad game and the PGT triples in size in comparison to a win because the wallowers need to complain about how terrible the team is, and that gets absolutely exhausting to read on here.

It's almost as if a large section of HFOil posters are only happy if they have something to whine about. if the team is playing solid, it seems they are out in their driveways kicking rocks, just waiting for a bad game to bitch about. That type of fandom is just strange to me.

To your point, we all know Skinner is not good, that's no secret, but whether the Oilers can win with him or not remains to be seen, they were 2 goals away from doing just that last year, but I think everyone can agree they would have absolutely won had they had more consistent goaltending.

I agree with this.
The HF hivemind has clearly kicked in once again (almost 30 pages so far) and if you arent on board 100% (in this case with the Skinner narrative) then you become a target too.
Just disagree a little bit and you will become a Skinner fan club memeber...lol
Its been that way on here for many years now and its not likely to change.

If you break down the goals in last nights game...there were some pretty odd goals to say the least.
Maybe a goal or 2 he should have had but as I have stated before when this team gives up a HDSC its a HDSC on steroids. Its ridiculous.
Last nights game was an example of how not to play Stanley Cup caliber defence. How not to properly manage the puck.
Bouchard was by far the worst Oiler on the ice last night...not Skinner. Bouchard has been garbage for most of the season and against Florida he had some help

Skinner is still a relatively inexperienced goalie who at this point in time is an average NHL goalie at best. He can play above average for spells. He can also play below average for spells as well.
This team (because of poor management decisions) is currently spending $3.6M on goaltending which I believe is the 2nd lowest in the NHL.
So this team doesnt seem to care enough to pay much more than bargain basement prices for their goaltending.
Its like a company deciding to purchase some of their critical equipment from a low grade chinese manufacturer for a bargain price and then being surprised that the equipment is breaking down.

News flash...you get what you pay for.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

WE were only 2 goals away, and only in the SC final in the first place due to an incredibly resilient team playing in front of Skinner. If we're Dallas, Colorado, Vegas, and of the other Western clubs I doubt they even make it past Vancouver down 3-3 in games and with their starter being by miles the worst goalie in the playoffs. Indeed even last playoffs the Avalanche could not overcome it

Credit to the Oilers team resilience. I sure don't credit Skinner for the playoffs last season

I get that you could be tongue in cheek with the reaction.

We get to the final last season only because McD and DRai again went thermonuclear, Hyman had a legend season and playoffs that often results in a SC win. The one spot that cost us the SC is in net We were good enough everywhere else to get the trophy.

0 goals in game 1. 1 goal in game 2. 1 goal in game 7. How come the Panthers didn't win the games they only scored once in?

One thing that doesn't really get talked about around here for that series was that the power play was extremely pedestrian. 2 goals in the entire series. Our PK managed that much.

 

[guymez]

Looking at the goal visualizer the Mikkola goal is really frustrating.

All McDavid had to do was skate into the zone coming off rhe bench to support Bouchard rather than standing still by the bench and that whole sequence that leads to the goal probably doesn't happen.

Nice to see someone mention this.
There were a number of defenisve decisions in last nights game that werent even close to Stanley Cup caliber.
This team just isnt good enough yet.

 

[Drivesaitl]

and we scored 1 goal in two games in Games 1 and 2...for a team built on offense, that's pitiful

No, thats exhausted. Due to overwork of having to overcome goaltending much of the season and playoffs. You'll remember how badly goaltnding was sinking the team in the season for first 20 games and how much Skinner sunk the team in several games in playoffs. Kings series was easy. At least we won in 5. On basis of play Vancouver series should've been sweep or 5 games. By late in Dallas series fatigue is setting in. We only found our game in SC final by game 3, and we were the better club, and Skinner gave that crucial game away. Thats why we even got stuck in a game 7. Had we won that game, as we should've we win the cup at home in 6 games. That game 3 altered everything. That was the hold serve game that Skinner gave away.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

No, thats exhausted. Due to overwork of having to overcome goaltending much of the season and playoffs. You'll remember how badly goaltnding was sinking the team in the season for first 20 games and how much Skinner sunk the team in several games in playoffs. Kings series was easy. At least we won in 5. On basis of play Vancouver series should've been sweep or 5 games. By late in Dallas series fatigue is setting in. We only found our game in SC final by game 3, and we were the better club, and Skinner gave that crucial game away. Thats why we even got stuck in a game 7. Had we won that game, as we should've we win the cup at home in 6 games. That game 3 altered everything. That was the hold serve game that Skinner gave away.

Exhausted? They had six days between Game 6 of the Dallas series and game 1 of the Florida series. One less day of rest than Florida. A team that, mind you, went to the Cup Finals the year before.

They had what, 6 breakaways in game 1? That's not exhaustion, that's a lack of finish. Enough with the "We should've won X series in X games" nonsense. There's two teams on the ice.

Sorry, but scoring once in 2 games isn't going to get it done for any team. Once they went down 2-0 in the series it was but a formality.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Exhausted? They had six days between Game 6 of the Dallas series and game 1 of the Florida series. One less day of rest than Florida. A team that, mind you, went to the Cup Finals the year before.

They had what, 6 breakaways in game 1? That's not exhaustion, that's a lack of finish. Enough with the "We should've won X series in X games" nonsense. There's two teams on the ice.

Sorry, but scoring once in 2 games isn't going to get it done for any team. Once they went down 2-0 in the series it was but a formality.

Absolute BS.

If Skinner doesn't cost us game 3 we probably win series in 6 games. If Skinner doesn't let a weak goal in, the winning goal, the game 7 could've gone differently. Your taking a 7 game series decided on one goal and calling it a Panthers formality.

Troll somewhere else.

 

[Juxta Position]

WE were only 2 goals away, and only in the SC final in the first place due to an incredibly resilient team playing in front of Skinner. If we're Dallas, Colorado, Vegas, and of the other Western clubs I doubt they even make it past Vancouver down 3-3 in games and with their starter being by miles the worst goalie in the playoffs. Indeed even last playoffs the Avalanche could not overcome it

Credit to the Oilers team resilience. I sure don't credit Skinner for the playoffs last season

I get that you could be tongue in cheek with the reaction.

We get to the final last season only because McD and DRai again went thermonuclear, Hyman had a legend season and playoffs that often results in a SC win. The one spot that cost us the SC is in net We were good enough everywhere else to get the trophy.

Absolutely we do.

Skinner 100% cost us the Stanley Cup I don't think anyone can debate that, he flat out was not good enough. but I was reacting to the comment that "we were only 2 goals away from the Cup is BS" which it is not.

Regardless of the circumstances, player performances, or the path to get there, we WERE 2 goals away from a Cup, it is NOT BS to say that.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

No, thats exhausted. Due to overwork of having to overcome goaltending much of the season and playoffs. You'll remember how badly goaltnding was sinking the team in the season for first 20 games and how much Skinner sunk the team in several games in playoffs. Kings series was easy. At least we won in 5. On basis of play Vancouver series should've been sweep or 5 games. By late in Dallas series fatigue is setting in. We only found our game in SC final by game 3, and we were the better club, and Skinner gave that crucial game away. Thats why we even got stuck in a game 7. Had we won that game, as we should've we win the cup at home in 6 games. That game 3 altered everything. That was the hold serve game that Skinner gave away.

holy smokes that's a lot of excuses lol

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Absolute BS.

You're right, teams come back from down 2-0 in the Finals all the time.

1 goal in two games in Florida. The power play managed all of 2 goals in the entire series. Neither of those things have anything to do with the goalie.

 

[Echodek]

When Brown says, post game, that they try to make the shot as predictable as they can, and to try to give Skinner an easy of a night as they can, is his subtle way of saying that they don’t trust Skinner to make the save on a high danger scoring chance.

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

You're right, teams come back from down 2-0 in the Finals all the time.

1 goal in two games in Florida. The power play managed all of 2 goals in the entire series. Neither of those things have anything to do with the goalie.

Nah that’s a bad take.

 

[Drivesaitl]

When Brown says, post game, that they try to make the shot as predictable as they can, and to try to give Skinner an easy of a night as they can, is his subtle way of saying that they don’t trust Skinner to make the save on a high danger scoring chance.

I like Brown more than I did hearing this. I'll just say. heh. Have to credit him as well on finding some cheese lately. He's started to pot and him getting 20 would be a big help. Even 15 G.

Absolutely we do.

Skinner 100% cost us the Stanley Cup I don't think anyone can debate that, he flat out was not good enough. but I was reacting to the comment that "we were only 2 goals away from the Cup is BS" which it is not.

Regardless of the circumstances, player performances, or the path to get there, we WERE 2 goals away from a Cup, it is NOT BS to say that.

Never said your post was BS. You're not named Keith. Yeah like I said I can see the view you expressed, and we agree on the forest as well.

 

[Drivesaitl]

holy smokes that's a lot of excuses lol

Nah, one. Skinner. He was the fly in the ointment. Or the brundle fly. hehe

 

[Yuke]

ya the Panthers got in their heads

this is a bigger issue than people think. Panthers came out and played bigger. Lots of interference and picks. Anytime they could our players got hit.
JJ built a smaller team than last year, I would have thought they would have gone tougher.

Absolutely we do.

Skinner 100% cost us the Stanley Cup I don't think anyone can debate that, he flat out was not good enough. but I was reacting to the comment that "we were only 2 goals away from the Cup is BS" which it is not.

Regardless of the circumstances, player performances, or the path to get there, we WERE 2 goals away from a Cup, it is NOT BS to say that.

I call BS

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Nah, one. Skinner. He was the fly in the ointment. Or the brundle fly. hehe

Yup, his fault they didn't score on the power play in the first three games and only managed to score once in two games in Florida. I don't even know what you're basing this "Should've won in six games" nonsense on. Florida was a damn good team. You don't get to the Finals in back to back years by accident.