Post-Game Talk: Sewart Skinner in the FLA Swamp

[CanadasTeam99]

For those who are crapping on goaltending there isn't a better option out there. We need to play a good team defense game night in and night out to take the pressure off of our average goaltending.

There's no goalie out there available who is clearly a better option than what we already have. There's no Dwayne Roloson we can pick up that solves everything.

Oilers have to focus on you know, not falling down in the neutral zone and not letting the Panthers #6 defenseman stand all alone by himself in the slot.

So you are just resorting to the fact there is not a better goalie than a bottom 5 goalie? Lets hope management doesn't give up this easy.

It boils downt o one thing. Stuart Skinner has the ability to lose you a game single handedly. Cannot have that come playoff time. He did a few times already.

Sorry, there is no team in the NHL who plays "exceptional D night in and night out".

That is why a goalie gets paid millions of bucks.

And i don't disagree with that.

It's the ridiculous overreactions when the Oilers have a bad game and the PGT triples in size in comparison to a win because the wallowers need to complain about how terrible the team is, and that gets absolutely exhausting to read on here.

It's almost as if a large section of HFOil posters are only happy if they have something to whine about. if the team is playing solid, it seems they are out in their driveways kicking rocks, just waiting for a bad game to bitch about. That type of fandom is just strange to me.

To your point, we all know Skinner is not good, that's no secret, but whether the Oilers can win with him or not remains to be seen, they were 2 goals away from doing just that last year, but I think everyone can agree they would have absolutely won had they had more consistent goaltending.

We need to stop this nonsense of "we were 2 goals away" BS

Our player had to break a Gretzky NHL assists record to get there.

People really want to go there again and hope our guys can break some records. Lets not make it any easier for them. Lets strap a piano on their backs and see if we can make it back to the finals!

 

[FiveFourteenSixOne]

Mike Smith was f***ing awful.

Uh...If they had Smith quality goaltending they win the cup the year they lost to Vegas, and they win last year.

 

[CanadasTeam99]

Meanwhile Vegas had 22.

My god the goalie had to do some work? After the Oilers are averaging some of the best in terms of least chances given up. The Horror!

 

[Drivesaitl]

he let in 2 goals in Game 7...TWO

if Skinner lets in 2 goals, you should win a game with McDrai on your team

it's absolutely bonkers people think we should've won that game 1-0


again I ask, did you expect the Oilers to win 1-0? and why couldn't they score 2 goals?

I answered you that I expected the Oilers to win 2-1 whether that be in regulation or OT. I figured with the margin of how the team were playing that the Oilers were deserving of more than what they got. Once the 2-1 goal is established in such games it gave the Panthers hope they could just rope a dope and ride that result out. They did so on a routine shot from the wing, from a space that isn't even HDSC on a controlled rush. The Oilers had coverage, Skinner could see the shot, he just let it in, because he's weaksauce. That was the SC decided, that goal. It gives the team that gets the go ahead goal such an immense psychological advantage, and especially for Panthers who had lost some confidence losing 3 in a row. That goal gave them hope, and the cup.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

The Knights were not confident scoring. They'd even mentioned it in the telecast. Across whole month of December in 6GP Knights have only scored 16 Regulation goals, not a lot, only 2.5G/G rounded off. Nobody on the Knights has a hot hand. They don't have Marshassault, They're missing other players from last season and they're not playing with verve, they're just edging out some close games. Even in these games Hill has been stupendous lately and just shutting the door as he did in the first Edmonton game. Eichel has only scored 9G this season, terrible really, and Dorofeyev is cold after a hot start. Hertyle the Turtle never gets anything off us and only Barbashev is hot on the Knights team. The only player feeling it. One.

Conversely the Oilers have been filling the net in games. The last 6 games the Oilers have piled in 30 goals. Thats twice as much as Vegas has in the last 6 games.

These are the kind of nuances you don't seem to look at.

And yet they were still winning games. Sometimes you don't need to score a touchdown to win a game. Hell you even pointed out that the Oilers didn't score at all vs. Hill the last time they played him. Why would the Oilers be confident against that goalie and the Knights not be confident against Skinner?

Both the eye test and the metrics show that the Oilers were grossly outchanced in that game. You're treating the Knights as if they're the Anaheim Ducks or something. They're the 6th highest scoring team in the league. They just came off a heroic effort to beat the Jets in their own building.

Uh...If they had Smith quality goaltending they win the cup the year they lost to Vegas, and they win last year.

Go back and watch the 2022 playoffs. He was dreadful against the Flames and Avs.

My god the goalie had to do some work? After the Oilers are averaging some of the best in terms of least chances given up. The Horror!

Yeah, he was great against the Knights. Yes the 3rd goal was a gaffe and completely his fault but it's weird to otherwise not give him credit for stoning a good team time after time.

 

[FiveFourteenSixOne]

Yep. There were goalies available. Its not like Skinner is a high bar to replace. Just me but I don't even want him backup. Would prefer Skins not be here at all.

Agreed. He can bob his head to the music on his Spotify playlist while he drives to the airport.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Just take a look at Draisaitl when the final buzzer goes. The body language and frustration shows. I know he is saying how do we fking lose after scoring 5 fking goals

and Skinners feeling fine and bopping to tunes in the room. If you've ever seen Skinner upset at his own performance, any indication at all please show the film. We'd all want t see it.

Skinner: I'm fine, I played well (Not sure if he said that last night but we know he often says that) This is a guy that was grinning and head bobbing after the latest worst goal he's given up this season. It didn't take two minutes for Skinner to think he was great again. Last night won't dispel it either I almost hope for a 9-10GA night just to further reveal. To all, what a fraud this starter is.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

I answered you that I expected the Oilers to win 2-1 whether that be in regulation or OT. I figured with the margin of how the team were playing that the Oilers were deserving of more than what they got. Once the 2-1 goal is established in such games it gave the Panthers hope they could just rope a dope and ride that result out. They did so on a routine shot from the wing, from a space that isn't even HDSC on a controlled rush. The Oilers had coverage, Skinner could see the shot, he just let it in, because he's weaksauce. That was the SC decided, that goal. It gives the team that gets the go ahead goal such an immense psychological advantage, and especially for Panthers who had lost some confidence losing 3 in a row. That goal gave them hope, and the cup.

so again I say, their 10 million dollar player did his job

our combined 20 million players didn't

 

[FiveFourteenSixOne]

It wasn't the goaltending that got the Oilers there. They got to the pinacle despite subpar goaltending.

That argument drives me f***ing nuts. "He got them to game 7 in the SCF!"

They made it there in SPITE of him. He stole the team 1 single game (game 6 vs. Dallas) last year in the playoffs, and cost them at LEAST 5.

 

[Drivesaitl]

And yet they were still winning games. Sometimes you don't need to score a touchdown to win a game. Hell you even pointed out that the Oilers didn't score at all vs. Hill the last time they played him. Why would the Oilers be confident against that goalie and the Knights not be confident against Skinner?

Both the eye test and the metrics show that the Oilers were grossly outchanced in that game. You're treating the Knights as if they're the Anaheim Ducks or something. They're the 6th highest scoring team in the league. They just came off a heroic effort to beat the Jets in their own building.



Go back and watch the 2022 playoffs. He was dreadful against the Flames and Avs.


Yeah, he was great against the Knights. Yes the 3rd goal was a gaffe and completely his fault but it's weird to otherwise not give him credit for stoning a good team time after time.

You realize that primacy is a consideration in whether a team is scoring or not presently. Every team goes through waves of scoring in bunches and other times they can't buy a goal. The Oilers were on a scoring heater, and they weren't just beating teams by one goal, they were blowing out the best teams in the league. Its also laughable you're telling me about the stats in a game you must not have even watched. I don't know anybody on this board that came to the conclusion that Vegas had it all over us in the last game played. Or that they were "grossly outchanced" lol. A person could probably look at 5 different sites and they're all saying different things due to the imperfection of such metrics.

Finally, just to me a shot fanned on, or missed outright, or one thats blocked, that doesn't count as a scoring chance. Theres also no coefficient that adequately captures which players are taking those HDSC and how hot they are at the moment. To be more definitive a stat has to feature that not all HDSC taken are equal. Drai even scores 1/3 of his goal from spots that aren't even close to HDSC areas. So of course things like that aren't factored in. Try telling Bobo last night that Drai isn't dangerous from there. It was the best taken shot all night and of course its not counted in any HDSC tally. But again you don't think of any of this.

 

[tardigrade81]

Nobody is saying people aren't allowed to criticize, I'm no apologist and will criticize with the best of them, that is everybody's right as a fan. But I just find it so strange that fans of this team will completely ghost when the team is winning and are absolutely NOT willing to give credit when it's due, but yet will be the first to kick sand in the player's faces when they struggle.

Just not my kind of fandom is all.

That's fair. Guess I'm just used to people being negative being a sens fan as well and a colts fan. Have watched some really shitty teams the last few years lol

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

That argument drives me f***ing nuts. "He got them to game 7 in the SCF!"

They made it there in SPITE of him. He stole the team 1 single game (game 6 vs. Dallas) last year in the playoffs, and cost them at LEAST 5.

Skinner allowed 1 goal in two games against the Kings in LA. He only allowed more than 2 goals once in the Dallas series.

 

[CanadasTeam99]

I give credit where credit is due and I criticize when criticism is due. Skinner definitely came off an excellent stretch of hockey, and against two of the leagues best which is Minnesota and Las Vegas.

WITH THAT SAID, I am allowed to criticize when he sucks and he simply sucked last night. Very very very good chance we win that game with Pickard in net last night. Yes people overreact on this forum, that's sports. Oilers fans aren't the only ones to do it

It was a very entertaining game, but it is definitely frustrating as it's a game we should have and could have won with slightly better goaltending. Chalk it up to a bad night from Skinner and move on now. We have some winnable games coming out starting with a very inconsistent Bruins team

That was Pickard against Minny, who actually made some insane saves to keep the game tied before we blew them out. He made more big saves in that Minny game than Stu has in his last multiple games combined.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Yeah fire Dustin Schwartz too while we are at it.

Why are you so terrified of the prospect of adding a goalie to compete with Skinner?



Skinner didn't get the Oilers anywhere last year. He rode coat tails to the finals.

Because if the Oilers have an adequate goalie the Oilers become unstoppable and Bad Keith can't be Bad Keith here. I mean this is it right?

 

[tardigrade81]

It's not even on their radar is it?

No it is not. They haven't mentioned a single time our goaltending. The problem is. Skinner will play a half decent stretch of three or four games which any crappy goalie can do, and it makes the oilers organization forget about the other 20 games he completely sucked in.

 

[Drivesaitl]

That argument drives me f***ing nuts. "He got them to game 7 in the SCF!"

They made it there in SPITE of him. He stole the team 1 single game (game 6 vs. Dallas) last year in the playoffs, and cost them at LEAST 5.

25 people have pointed this out exactly and it doesn't matter. It could be 50-100 people and Keith is still "whatabout"

 

[CanadasTeam99]

Your goalie is your foundation.

The Oilers have a good frame (for the most part). I see us getting another dman. The foundation has a crack or two in it. This house will fall come playoff time. Doesn't matter how nice the house is inside and out.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

You realize that primacy is a consideration in whether a team is scoring or not presently. Every team goes through waves of scoring in bunches and other times they can't buy a goal. The Oilers were on a scoring heater, and they weren't just beating teams by one goal, they were blowing out the best teams in the league. Its also laughable you're telling me about the stats in a game you must not have even watched. I don't know anybody on this board that came to the conclusion that Vegas had it all over us in the last game played. Or that they were "grossly outchanced" lol. A person could probably look at 5 different sites and they're all saying different things due to the imperfection of such metrics.

Finally, just to me a shot fanned on, or missed outright, or one thats blocked, that doesn't count as a scoring chance. Theres also no coefficient that adequately captures which players are taking those HDSC and how hot they are at the moment. To be more definitive a stat has to feature that not all HDSC taken are equal. Drai even scores 1/3 of his goal from spots that aren't even close to HDSC areas. So of course things like that aren't factored in. Try telling Bobo last night that Drai isn't dangerous from there. It was the best taken shot all night and of course its not counted in any HDSC tally. But again you don't think of any of this.

But again, the Knights were still winning. They were scoring enough to win. I really don't understand where this lack of confidence stuff comes from. This is also a team we've struggled with the last few years (and obviously going back to the playoffs). You can't take HDSC into consideration for one game and not the next. If you acknowledge that Skinner should've stopped more HDSC in this game (and he should've) then you have to acknowledge that he stopped a lot against the Knights. It doesn't work both ways.

Because if the Oilers have an adequate goalie the Oilers become unstoppable and Bad Keith can't be Bad Keith here. I mean this is it right?

You've been watching this team for longer than I have, I presume. Your faith in the team to acquire a goalie and not ruin them astounds me. Remember when Jack Campbell was the answer? Oh wait...

 

[CanadasTeam99]

I'd be interested to know who tracks these and what constitutes a high danger chance.

Well, you have no problem talking about Vegas having 22 in all situations. Have you questioned those?

 

[ZJuice]

Our team is guilty of slow or shit line changes way too often and it cost us yesterday. Blame reffing / Stu all you want but this is something that I thought would be engrained in any person that played hockey at any level.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Well, you have no problem talking about Vegas having 22 in all situations. Have you questioned those?

22 may be a bit high but the score wasn't necessary indicative of the game flow. The Oilers capitalized on a few chances after some sustained pressure from the Knights.

But they also allowed 40+ shots, so it would stand to reason that the team didn't defend all that well.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Nobody is saying people aren't allowed to criticize, I'm no apologist and will criticize with the best of them, that is everybody's right as a fan. But I just find it so strange that fans of this team will completely ghost when the team is winning and are absolutely NOT willing to give credit when it's due, but yet will be the first to kick sand in the player's faces when they struggle.

Just not my kind of fandom is all.

Sure. But my own position is to not knock the players that got us here got us to even be a contender, and are the sum reason we are. I don't lose sight of that. You'll rarely if ever see me go at the top players here. My tendency is to blast only the underperforming players and when they have it coming. Its also my way of reducing the pent up frustration of the Oilers org foisting up incomplete rosters with bondo filler in important parts for the entirety of the McDrai arc thus far. So that its venting, but NOT at the players that are the only reason to watch. Pretty predictable which nature of players gets it from me and I make no apology for that. (well sometimes)

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Our team is guilty of slow or shit line changes way too often and it cost us yesterday. Blame reffing / Stu all you want but this is something that I thought would be engrained in any person that played hockey at any level.

The positioned bomb is exactly how I view Skinner by now in his rattled games Lit fuse and waiting for bomb to go off.

 

[Fixed to Ruin]

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Our team is guilty of slow or shit line changes way too often and it cost us yesterday. Blame reffing / Stu all you want but this is something that I thought would be engrained in any person that played hockey at any level.

Its a tough look when the Vincent Desharnais of the Florida Panthers makes it all the way down to the Oilers net uncovered and no Oilers player is within a country mile.

 

[CanadasTeam99]

I would still like another goalie (to take over or tandem).

I will give Stu this (although you shouldn't suck to start the year)

First 15 games

3.23GAA / 0.882

Last 6 games (starting the 2nd quarter of the season)

2.36GAA / 0.916

This does coincide with the team playing better D, but you will not get perfect D all of the time. That is when you just need a goalie to save your a** at least a few times a year.

You need a goalie to sometimes (like 1-5 times a year ) make you say "God, we did not deserve that win at all"

Those are points that you can scrape to even win a division.

I blame Knob (and atrocious D at times last night). Skinner was unravelling against Vegas. He should have started Pickard last night or pulled SKinner like I kept saying. The guy has ZERO pulse on the goalies in game.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

Yup. Team Canada is still a lol roster though and I hope they get swept

They should just replace the Team Canada jerseys with St Louis, Tampa and Vegas jerseys. I mean why hide the politics anymore. I hope John Cooper and Doug Armstrong get embarrassed.