Post-Game Talk: Sens win Late

[jetswin]

What is the running count for 5 on 5 goals Wheeler is on the ice for?

 

[Do or Die]

Yeah one loss, no big deal. Losing to Ottawa, with their back up goalie. The uninspired performance at both ends of the ice, made that one pretty boring, except at the end......been literally throwing away points this year.

 

[leer2006]

Complacency has set in. This team has no urgency because they don’t need to. None of the players are being held accountable and you have a coach saying they played hard. It’s honestly laughable at this point that this is now going on 2 1/2 seasons.

 

[jepjepjoo]

What is the running count for 5 on 5 goals Wheeler is on the ice for?

4gf 16ga for Wheeler. Connor is closing in on him with 14ga.

 

[RustyCat]

I rarely criticize the referees but that was an awful, awful game done by them. You can't let everything go and then only call Wheeler during a scrum. Then closer to the end of the game Ottawa does the exact same thing being an aggressor after the whistle and nothing called. I counted at least three times where Sens defenceman impeded the forechecker. I was a hockey official for a long time so it is very frustrating to watch when the messaging from the officials is inconsistent with what the standard has been. The whole game was not very well called.

 

[Zippity]

How much input does Charlie Huddy have in this? He’s been here ten years. TEN YEARS!

I have been saying that for years, he’s like a mute. Oh but wait he has a few Stanley cups.
And Maurice wants to be the players buddies it seems.

 

[Jets 31]

Why is everyone trash talking D after this game?
Its not like the Jets lost 6-5.

If anyone needs to be trashed it is the forwards and their lack of offense. Copp was terribad. The rest were no shows.

Copp gave the puck away in our zone that caused Ottawa's first goal and Ehlers looked tired every time he got on the ice. It wasn't surprising that Maurice went back to Scheifele , Connor and Wheeler looking for a goal. If Dubois is playing i bet Maurice wouldn't have though. Helly made a bad play and Ottawa got a lucky bounce and a goal. It's only been 14 games into the season, i will start to panic if we are still playing meh hockey 30 games into the season.

 

[Gil Fisher]

That goal was more or less a communication breakdown on Helly and Forbert. But I'd lay 75% of the blame on Forbert. Forbert was going to be first one back for the puck, easily ahead of the pressure, so Helly stopped it ahead of the goal line. As he did that Forbert peeled to the other corner. Helly noticed too late. I don't think the play was for Helly to play it around the other side. Too close to the no-touch zone. Simple play was for Forbert to just come get the puck.

 

[Jets 31]

Not feeling too sharp this morning, probably because this was me after that winning goal.

 

[Gil Fisher]

That goal was more or less a communication breakdown on Helly and Forbert. But I'd lay 75% of the blame on Forbert. Forbert was going to be first one back for the puck, easily ahead of the pressure, so Helly stopped it ahead of the goal line. As he did that Forbert peeled to the other corner. Helly noticed too late. I don't think the play was for Helly to play it around the other side. Too close to the no-touch zone. Simple play was for Forbert to just come get the puck.

Best I could do of a screen grab of Hellybuck clearly about to just tee up the puck for Forbert. His attention has just turned to the puck at the very moment Forbert (top left) has dug in his left edge to head to the far corner. By the time Helly looks up again (a second later?), Forbert is gone, and Pionk (top right) is under pressure from two Senators.

It was a routine play that is made a dozen times a game by a goalie. Helly did his part. It was the wrong idea to peel off there by Forbert. Especially given there was less than 20 seconds left in the game.

 

[Gnova]

Hogberg is the worst goalie in the league... our talent should have more than one goal

every bad team plays hard and almost good enough - that’s why they’re bad. We didn’t need to win 5-1 but to lose like this - from lack of a killer instinct or lack of intensity is not that good

we’ll see Monday - I think we’re .500 against non Ottawa teams...

If you think the Jets are only a 0.500 team why are you complaining that they lost?
It should be expected.

Their goaltending is the only reason they are where they are in the standings. If they had had decent help in goal they would have a few more wins.
It wasn't going to underperform all season and hopefully it is sorting itself out now that the Jets don't play them again for two months.

 

[Gil Fisher]

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Best I could do of a screen grab of Hellybuck clearly about to just tee up the puck for Forbert. His attention has just turned to the puck at the very moment Forbert (top left) has dug in his left edge to head to the far corner. By the time Helly looks up again (a second later?), Forbert is gone, and Pionk (top right) is under pressure from two Senators.

It was a routine play that is made a dozen times a game by a goalie. Helly did his part. It was the wrong idea to peel off there by Forbert. Especially given there was less than 20 seconds left in the game.

split second later....Hellebuyck clearly looking at the puck. Forbert pivoting to backing into the far corner instead of just coming to take the stupid puck!

 

[Jets 31]

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Best I could do of a screen grab of Hellybuck clearly about to just tee up the puck for Forbert. His attention has just turned to the puck at the very moment Forbert (top left) has dug in his left edge to head to the far corner. By the time Helly looks up again (a second later?), Forbert is gone, and Pionk (top right) is under pressure from two Senators.

It was a routine play that is made a dozen times a game by a goalie. Helly did his part. It was the wrong idea to peel off there by Forbert. Especially given there was less than 20 seconds left in the game.

I thought Helly just should have left the puck alone and stayed in his net. At least that way if the Ottawa player gets to the puck before our defenseman he's in his net ready for a shot not scrambling to get back into position. This is also coming from a goalie that couldn't play the puck for shit so maybe i'm biased.

 

[Jet]

yea they need to leave them together and let them work through it. I don’t know why Paul and his coaches over think these things?

The 11/7 thing isn't helping at all, and it's one of the reasons I don't like it.

 

[Jet]

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Best I could do of a screen grab of Hellybuck clearly about to just tee up the puck for Forbert. His attention has just turned to the puck at the very moment Forbert (top left) has dug in his left edge to head to the far corner. By the time Helly looks up again (a second later?), Forbert is gone, and Pionk (top right) is under pressure from two Senators.

It was a routine play that is made a dozen times a game by a goalie. Helly did his part. It was the wrong idea to peel off there by Forbert. Especially given there was less than 20 seconds left in the game.

This is not at all on Forbort. The puck hopped or rolled on Helle and ended up in the no play zone. Helle's play was the play he has made all season which was to grab the puck and either pass it on his forehand to Morrissey or his backhand to Forbort.

Either way, hockey is a game of mistakes and this was just an unfortunate incident which I'm definitely not going to roast Hellebuyck for. I'm sure he's mad enough at himself for all of us.

 

[Gil Fisher]

By the way, I thought Pionk had a monster game last night at both ends (purely from the eye test, metrics were solid too). He really handled the physical challenge of Tkachuk brilliantly. Definitively punched above his weight.

As for the metrics....only one Corsi loser last night.

 

[Gnova]

He's literally the ALL-TIME leader in losses by a coach.

People love throwing out that stat with no context.

He coached a perrenial bottom feeder team for a third of his career and racked up loses because they were an awful team with no money in a non-cap NHL.

 

[Jet]

Maurice could sell a cinnamon bun franchise to a master baker because he is an elite talker and he has even Chipman fooled.

Chipman won't let Chevy fire Maurice under any circumstance unless it is extreme, and Maurice knows it.

PoMo once said there would be a statue of Mark Scheifele outside of the buillding one day; truth is the statue will be of Maurice. And thats the way Chipman wants it - market the coach who says he loves it here instead of marketing any of these players who come and go and use Winnipeg to get paid and then never return to the city.

Because of that Maurice can do pretty much WHATEVER he wants.

Honest question, Chipman calls a meeting with himself, Chevy, and Maurice. Who runs the room, who runs the meeting? Chipman probably starts the meeting, Maurice probably finishes it.

So when CSW is out on the last shift to get the game to OT, am I surprised? Not a chance! Maurice does what he wants and will push it in the fans' faces.

Despicable.

Despicable!!!!

This place

 

[Gil Fisher]

This is not at all on Forbort. The puck hopped or rolled on Helle and ended up in the no play zone. Helle's play was the play he has made all season which was to grab the puck and either pass it on his forehand to Morrissey or his backhand to Forbort.

Either way, hockey is a game of mistakes and this was just an unfortunate incident which I'm definitely not going to roast Hellebuyck for. I'm sure he's mad enough at himself for all of us.

Agree. Not all on Forbert at all. Just defending Helly. I think the simple play at that stage was to come get the puck, but you're right, Helly only killed 98% of the momentum of the puck and couldn't go back for it to protect it. Regardless, if you frame-by-frame the next 8 seconds, we defended really well. Just couldn't tie up Tkachuk's stick and they got a lucky goal. These things happen some times.

 

[Jet]

Yea normally I think you are a bit too negative Nelly but I agree with you here and have been warning people that we have been getting propped up by a very weak schedule so far.

I think playing against better competition is what this team needs, honestly.

 

[Mud Turtle]

I’m going to go against the tide here and say that I thought the Jets played fairly well. Sure they couldn’t finish but they generated a fair amount of chances and sometimes that happens.
I can’t believe I’m saying this, but I agree with Maurice that the effort was mostly there - at least in comparison to some other games.
This wouldn’t be one of those games where I go into full SIPOWITZ mode. (We all love you Sip!).

 

[DannyGallivan]

Complacency has set in. This team has no urgency because they don’t need to. None of the players are being held accountable and you have a coach saying they played hard. It’s honestly laughable at this point that this is now going on 2 1/2 seasons.

Yet, according to sources it was the exact opposite that ruffled the feathers of players like Laine cuz Wheeler and Scheifele demanded fare too much dedication from them. Odd.

Last night's choke (and yes, that's exactly what it was) was also due to a bone-headed play by a Vezina winner, and just plain dumb luck. The fact is, we should have had the game in the bag a lot earlier.

Ottawa was easily the more motivated and desperate team, and it ended up showing with 8 seconds left in the game.

 

[Gnova]

Yeah it is entirely the coaches fault that the Sens aren't at the top of the north right now.....
He has coached three really bad teams and coaching changes didn't turn those teams into playoff contenders.

Are you even old enough to remember how big the talent pool differences were between and have and have not teams before the salary cap era?
For example the Jets 1.0 had a winning record in 5 of 17 seasons. Coaching was not the problem with those teams.

 

[Imcanadianeh]

4gf 16ga for Wheeler. Connor is closing in on him with 14ga.

It’s 8 GF and 17 GA from what I see (nhl stats website)

that’s even strength not 5v5

 

[Gil Fisher]

It’s 8 GF and 17 GA from what I see (nhl stats website)

that’s even strength not 5v5

You're both right according to Natural Stat Trick!