Post-Game Talk: Sens win Late

[Atoyot]

People love throwing out that stat with no context.

He coached a perrenial bottom feeder team for a third of his career and racked up loses because they were an awful team with no money in a non-cap NHL.

As opposed to all the other coaches who got hired onto contenders? Teams looking for new coaches generally aren't doing well at the time.
Also are you talking about Carolina? The team that won the cup the first year after Maurice was fired?

 

[Jet]

Yet, according to sources it was the exact opposite that ruffled the feathers of players like Laine cuz Wheeler and Scheifele demanded fare too much dedication from them. Odd.

Last night's choke (and yes, that's exactly what it was) was also due to a bone-headed play by a Vezina winner, and just plain dumb luck. The fact is, we should have had the game in the bag a lot earlier.

Ottawa was easily the more motivated and desperate team, and it ended up showing with 8 seconds left in the game.

Yup, I thought the Jets played fine. I thought the difference was there was a team of 20 on the other side that played to their maximum ability because they simply could not accept losing another game.

Ottawa is not as bad of a team as their record has shown, and they will win more games as the season goes along, especially when Murray returns. They have a couple of nice D pieces, and a few forwards who can put the puck in the net.

 

[jepjepjoo]

It’s 8 GF and 17 GA from what I see (nhl stats website)

that’s even strength not 5v5

He asked for 5on5. I posted 5on5.

 

[Howard Chuck]

I think we have a ton of talent but a lack of consistent effort. There is a lot of coasting, floating and lack of urgency most nights.

Not always and not all players, but there are very few games now where I’m super excited because of the intensity of the game. There is almost no hitting in the game now and it seems that players are avoiding contact. It actually stood out as odd to me when PLD went for the open ice hit against the Flames.

I will always enjoy the games, but I miss the excitement of a swarming, physical Jets team.

 

[Jet]

As opposed to all the other coaches who got hired onto contenders? Teams looking for new coaches generally aren't doing well at the time.
Also are you talking about Carolina? The team that won the cup the first year after Maurice was fired?

Right, but the last season the Hurricanes had Maurice they missed the playoffs by only 2 points, and they had just lost in the Stanley Cup finals 2 years previous to that, with the lockout season buffering Maurice's firing and a Stanley Cup win.

The fact remains that Maurice has had some atrocious teams to coach, and he's shown when he has the talent, he does get results. Is he the best coach all time or in that conversation? No. Is he as bad as some here say, not close.

There's a reason he's coached more games than almost anyone in league history. We can assume all the people hiring and extending him are idiots and forum posters are way smarter, or we can follow the logic and accept that Paul Maurice is a good coach.

Is it time for him to move on from the Jets? I wouldn't be against that at all, as I think a fresh coaching staff top to bottom could really rejuvinate this group, and we could find a coach that fits the best with the skillset we have. However, with a coaching change, there is the chance that they could end up being worse than Maurice, not better.

At the end of the day, it does not matter who is coaching the Jets, people here will hate him and think he's making the dumbest decisions ever because forum posters live in a fantasy world, and NHL coaches work in reality. Every coach wants to keep their job, and they do that by winning, I have no doubt the Paul Maurice is doing everything in his power, within the complex environment of an NHL franchise to win games. I also think he's a smart man, so I have confidence that even though we question his decisions, he has sensible arguments he can make for all of them, that include a lot of factors we do not consider, here.

 

[WolfHouse]

If you think the Jets are only a 0.500 team why are you complaining that they lost?
It should be expected.

Their goaltending is the only reason they are where they are in the standings. If they had had decent help in goal they would have a few more wins.
It wasn't going to underperform all season and hopefully it is sorting itself out now that the Jets don't play them again for two months.

Some twisted logic here...

I don’t ‘think’ we are a 500 team against all other cdn teams - we are. And I did not and do not expect it.

we made Hogberg look good - the end.

 

[flyingkiwi]

I think playing against better competition is what this team needs, honestly.

I barely watch this team anymore soooo I can't really speak, but it feels like we either rise to the occasion or play down to weaker opposition.

Is there a way to measure this in addition to wins and losses?

 

[Jet]

I barely watch this team anymore soooo I can't really speak, but it feels like we either rise to the occasion or play down to weaker opposition.

Is there a way to measure this in addition to wins and losses?

It's probably a bit of viewer bias, but I think if you look at both team's psyches going into this game it's not hard to predict this outcome.

If the Jets had scored a couple early it would have likely been a cakewalk. However, as the game went on with a tie, the Sens probably got more determined, and the Jets more nervous.

 

[Heldig]

Losing to Ottawa doesn't really bother me.. u can't win them all.. we weren't going 8 and 0 against them... They work hard... They are just very young and inconsistent but they work really hard and show great effort. Honestly if the Jets showed half of the Sens effort most nights we'd be a top team in the League. The effort level or perhaps blah play of dump n chase and our pk and just usages of players. Wheeler still sucked today... Promoted tho. It's all so..
Others coaches probably don't even watch game film of the Jets. They are so predictable and stale and just its boring.

For a team full of offensively gifted forwards... We are not fun to watch. We have fun players like Ehlers and Lowry Appleton types but as a team we play a style that is boring and so far from what actually worked in 2018... It just sucks watching the same thing over n over.

 

[BoneDocUK]

I think playing against better competition is what this team needs, honestly.

Yeah I agree. last night with a few exceptions (Vesa, Sheif, Apples, Pionk) they just looked out of sorts. They're at their best with an uptempo game. But they need to learn to cope with a fast, hard forecheck already. It's been years.

And we need, IMO, to start rewarding players who are playing hard and getting results, no matter who and how entrenched they are. Maybe it needs to be someone other than PoMo making those decisions for a while.

 

[Hulide]

PLD not out there today...
Lines:
Copp - Scheifele - Wheeler
Connor - Statsny - Ehlers

 

[raideralex99]

24 hours have past ... have we settled down?
The good news is all 3 Canadian series the teams split their games 1-1 and the Jets are still in contention.

 

[scelaton]

24 hours have past ... have we settled down?
The good news is all 3 Canadian series the teams split their games 1-1 and the Jets are still in contention.

Not yet 24 hours, but I figured I'd come out of the bomb shelter and check out the damage.
Not bad actually--a few dozen calls for Maurice's head, some gratuitous shots at CSW...nothing irreparable or surprising.

I thought the Jets played fairly well out-chanced them as the game progressed, but they stayed close and Helle made a boneheaded move, followed by a deflected shot. That's all.
Not a firing offensive for anyone who makes actual firing decisions, except in HF--Hockey Fantasyland

 

[Peggy]

So your issue is Maurice is playing the 2 best players on the team over the last 5 years (Scheifele and Wheeler) more then his current best player (Ehlers) on the team. I get that but our current coach knows his players better then anyone else and maybe he has seen that Ehlers is at his best with his minutes are at around 18 minutes. Ehlers game is his playmaking at full speed but if he is playing a lot of minutes maybe he will not be as effective as he tires out?

Some players need a lot of minutes to play at their best and some need less to be just as good,

All this said, I agree that Maurice need to get this team to win this season or a change is needed. Give him the rest of the season to see what the Jets can do under his guidance. If they can't win the cup or at lease make it to the SC final a change is needed.

We've seen it already and have heads this argument for the past 3 seasons

Fool me once

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

So unlucky, the miscommunication and that bounce. This may not be popular, but that loss of the puck by Helle is one of his (now) rare miscues, and other than that he played really well.

Give credit to the Sens, they deserved that one, as they played hard, with more intensity than the Jets.

3 Dostoevsky guys, 2 of them in the dying minutes of the third.

This one stings, gonna leave a mark.

A split second of indecision by Helle is what did it.

Sens did deserve that win, by a whisker.

Maybe odd, maybe unpopular opinion, may be a little crazy, whatever, but of the last 3 games, I liked the Jets in the 2 we lost better than the Jets in the one we won by a 5-1 score.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Yeah this team is getting/already is stale. They just doesnt have "it" anymore. Something has to be shaken up. Probably time for a coaching change. It doesnt help that our top 6 D is below average and most nights just plain bad. I cant imagine whats going to happen when we play teams like Toronto and Montreal. Dont know what the answer is but doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results is insanity.

Again with the insensitive insult to the mentally ill. Not only insensitive but also just plain incorrect.

The insane can be highly intelligent, and cagey.

Doing the same thing over and over expecting different results is NOT insane. It is stoopid. Dumb. Idiotic. Not in any way related to sanity or the lack of it.

But other than that bad choice of words, I agree. It is past time for a change.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

That goal was as much on the d as Helle. He went out with one hand on his stick on his backhand , it never looked like he was going to make a pass but both of them went away from the puck thinking he would.

1 goal against the worst team and worst goalie in the league , don’t try to put it on your goalie who stopped 27/29 even with the miscommunication.

The split second of indecision is on Helle, but the game should never have been that close. Some credit to Sens there though.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

That’s because you’re blaming them when they had little to nothing to do with the goal.

Little to do with the goal? How about if a different line is out there and the puck is in the other end? They were not involved in that play, but maybe they should have been?

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

Little to do with the goal? How about if a different line is out there and the puck is in the other end? They were not involved in that play, but maybe they should have been?

Yeah, the old excuse "don't blame me, I wasn't anywhere near the guy" just doesn't work in hockey.

 

[Adam da bomb]

Little to do with the goal? How about if a different line is out there and the puck is in the other end? They were not involved in that play, but maybe they should have been?

You might as well include Perrault in the blame for dumping instead of passing it back to the D and having team maintain control. As Wheeler wasn’t fast enough to retrieve it and then the line did as well as any with line change on play. They never had a chance to keep it in the other teams end except winning the foot race.

 

[Do or Die]

I have been saying that for years, he’s like a mute. Oh but wait he has a few Stanley cups.
And Maurice wants to be the players buddies it seems.

How did this thinking for years......work out for the Oilers?

 

[WolfHouse]

PLD not out there today...
Lines:
Copp - Scheifele - Wheeler
Connor - Statsny - Ehlers

Barf.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

forbort... league minimum on a 1 year contract and we chose him over 2 Dmen brimming with potential. Why invest in this pylon instead of building chemistry with our D that will be here next year? I mean from what I'm seeing we are not playing to be competitive this year. The old posts from carolina when maurice coached there gives me chills. This isn't new, this is by design.. a design from a coach who has lost more games than any other coach in NHL history. I swear to god Maurice wants old vets because he is a lazy coach who wants to watch a game instead of coach it. He certainly doesn't hold any of them to account. But will bench or pressbox a rookie if he sniffs the wrong way or god forbid is young!? you can't say he has to get bigger physically when you ice pionk nightly, Ville can physically handle himself as well as pionk... and you can't tell me samberg is too small. Pomo's post game presser was infuriating. F this guy. Oh and you just know Thompson is bumping one of our young guys because vet.

If I were chevy I"d be pissed at how my coach is using all these tools I'm providing and if I'm chipman I'm livid watching all this potential walk out the door because my coach has a love affair with waiver wire pickups. Its bonkers.

Don't hold back. We want to know what you really think.

Like Maurice's coaching, the criticisms of him have been seen too many times.
I will settle for just saying that his time has come and gone. He has grown stale. Time for a change, a new voice. I'm ready for anything, as long as it is different.

 

[WolfHouse]

You might as well include Perrault in the blame for dumping instead of passing it back to the D and having team maintain control. As Wheeler wasn’t fast enough to retrieve it and then the line did as well as any with line change on play. They never had a chance to keep it in the other teams end except winning the foot race.

Wow the excuses are stacking up... never had any chance - ‘except winning the foot race’

that’s why you keep your top line out there with Copp, Scheifele, Ehlers - all of our fastest players on the team... not our aging captain who’s visibly having a hard time keeping up

Instead Connor and Wheeler back check the same way they have all season and we can’t regain control

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

They aren't aren't the worst team in pro sports with the Jets nickname. Let's maybe slow the hot takes here.

You haven't noticed the pattern in Spotless's posts yet?