OT: Sens Lounge LXXXII | Rise of Omni / Caeldan, the YES man

[PeterSidorkiewicz]

I lost 60 pounds and have kept it off for 3 years while living a very sedentary life. The difference is I understand nutrition, how the body works and I have self control.

Metabolism is at most 200 calories more burned in a day for someone of the same size. The problem is people don't know how much to eat in a day for their body size and are terrible at judging or knowing food amounts. Lack of education and bad parenting.

I do not understand. Unless they are some religious nut that thinks they are more then a body. I'm not saying a person needs to achieve it but it should be the goal.

I'm not sure about that whole metabolism thing. My very good friend is about 5'10, 160lbs, and has never exercised a single day in his life and doesn't eat really that healthy at all. I am 6'1, 210lbs and my ideal weight is probably 190lbs so I'd like to lose 20. I run 4.5 miles per day 5 days a week after work and eat pretty healthy for the most.

Who's healthier?

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

Ever heard of universal health care?

Beyond that. Think more along the lines of an old-fashioned head tax.

I lost 60 pounds and have kept it off for 3 years while living a very sedentary life. The difference is I understand nutrition, how the body works and I have self control.

Metabolism is at most 200 calories more burned in a day for someone of the same size. The problem is people don't know how much to eat in a day for their body size and are terrible at judging or knowing food amounts. Lack of education and bad parenting.

I do not understand. Unless they are some religious nut that thinks they are more then a body. I'm not saying a person needs to achieve it but it should be the goal.

It's not just about self control. Or lifestyle. A lot of people do have a strong psychological attachment to food. It's a massive emotional crutch. Those kinds of things are damned difficult to overcome. It's like any other addiction....it's a lifetime of struggle.

That said, there's a big difference between being 50 pounds overweight and a few hundred pounds overweight. I mean, gaining 10, 20, 30 pounds can sneak up on a person after a while...but a few hundred...you have to wonder what a person is thinking and how many years it takes to do that. It's very difficult to wrap one's head around how to feel about someone who is morbidly obese.

Edit: and the irony of eating a handful of Cadbury mini Easter eggs while typing this. So fattening...but soooooo good!

 

[Benjamin]

I'm not sure about that whole metabolism thing. My very good friend is about 5'10, 160lbs, and has never exercised a single day in his life and doesn't eat really that healthy at all. I am 6'1, 210lbs and my ideal weight is probably 190lbs so I'd like to lose 20. I run 4.5 miles per day 5 days a week after work and eat pretty healthy for the most.

Who's healthier?

You. The body can handle being slightly over weight. You probably get way more nutrients and have a healthier heart.

 

[DrakeAndJosh]

I think if people started counting their calories regularly it would be a lot easier to stay in a healthy weight. I've been working out a lot lately and just started eating at a surplus to gain weight and I'm struggling to do that. Just eating 500 calories over what I'm supposed to has me feeling full all the time. The funny thing too is that I still have room for a bowl of chips or something at the end of the night which has always been my one food "weakness." There's really no reason to accidentally be eating 500-1000 calories extra per day, all it takes is a little counting and people would realize that it really isn't hard to eat at maintenance or at a deficit (even people with sedentary lifestyles) and you can even do that while having some sort of cheat food every day.

 

[PeterSidorkiewicz]

You. The body can handle being slightly over weight. You probably get way more nutrients and have a healthier heart.

So I'm fatter than someone but presumably healthier. This is why people should go see their physician and get check ups and not rely on people on the internet to tell you if you're beautiful, healthy, etc.

Also, high stress levels I believe can be linked to weight gain. Which can also factor in with the whole low income, stress, no access to affordable healthcare, etc.

 

[BonkTastic]

You guys are talking about how to stay fit, and I'm just sitting here eating cookies and drinking G&T's.

 

[MakeOttawaGreatAgain]

I think if people started counting their calories regularly it would be a lot easier to stay in a healthy weight. I've been working out a lot lately and just started eating at a surplus to gain weight and I'm struggling to do that. Just eating 500 calories over what I'm supposed to has me feeling full all the time. The funny thing too is that I still have room for a bowl of chips or something at the end of the night which has always been my one food "weakness." There's really no reason to accidentally be eating 500-1000 calories extra per day, all it takes is a little counting and people would realize that it really isn't hard to eat at maintenance or at a deficit (even people with sedentary lifestyles) and you can even do that while having some sort of cheat food every day.

I also find that the type of calories consumed is extremely important. I replaced all my normal carbs with their "healthy" version (white rice -> brown jasmine, for example) and eating oatmeal for breakfast.... I can only reasonably eat like 1900 calories of whole food in a day. Just TOO much fibre makes me so full.

If you wanna lose weight the easy way... I swear to John Smith: EAT LOTS OF FIBRE

 

[MakeOttawaGreatAgain]

I get the point he's making, and true both are avoidable vices of consumption, but thats where the similarities end.

Food addiction is more akin to a behavioural addiction such as gambling, video games or sex. Chemical addiction is a whole different ball of wax in how it impacts and alters the body, most significantly the brain.

Actually, there are certain foods (sugars and modern wheat for example) that do cause chemical addictions

 

[DrakeAndJosh]

You guys are talking about how to stay fit, and I'm just sitting here eating cookies and drinking G&T's.

I see it as your duty to help get Indonesia's obesity rate up. They're really starting to lag behind us developed countries.

I also find that the type of calories consumed is extremely important. I replaced all my normal carbs with their "healthy" version (white rice -> brown jasmine, for example) and eating oatmeal for breakfast.... I can only reasonably eat like 1900 calories of whole food in a day. Just TOO much fibre makes me so full.

If you wanna lose weight the easy way... I swear to John Smith: EAT LOTS OF FIBRE

Exactly. I'll have some oatmeal/chocolate milk or an egg sandwich in the morning before my workout, and after my workout eating feels like a chore so I just have a protein shake and eat a late lunch.

 

[PatrickEaves]

Being fat and being addicted to heroin are not even remotely close to the same thing.

Taking stuff to the extremes to make a point.

In terms of obesity, we aren't taking about being a little chubby, or having a few extra pounds because you just gave birth. Obesity as a concept is a medical condition in which you have so much excess body fat, that it has a negative effect on your health, stuff like increasing your chance at diabetes, heart attack and stroke. Not only is this bad for you, but it's also bad for society in that it increases the strain and resources needed by the health care system.

In a broad general concept, heroin addicts also have similar drawbacks. So we will substitute it in the fat acceptance movement's arguments:

Being obese(a heroin addict) is perfectly fine. You were born to be that way, and you are beautiful just the way you are, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise. In fact, anyone that wants you to lose weight(quit), is just a hate group that should be charged with discrimination. In fact weight-loss(quitting heroin) is unsuccessful in the vast majority of cases anyways, so why even try?

when in fact, the opposite argument is what should be given:

Being a heroin addict(obese) is not a good thing, there are many health risks that result from being so, and you have a drastically lower life expectancy. Yes, quitting(losing weight) is a very difficult life long process, and requires a lot of self-discipline, hard work, and often times help from other people. Not only that, but even when you do quit(lose weight), it's very easy to backslide and relapse(gain back the weight you lost). However, the health benefits are worth it, and everyone that is a heroin addict(obese) should be working towards quitting(losing weight).

 

[PoutineSp00nZ]

It doesn't take an expert to understand that if someone is 50+ pounds over weight they aren't healthy. Short term or long term health problems. The human body did not evolve to have that much fat on them.

Some people are fat because they are lazy. The majority is fast because they are uneducated. A tiny percent is fat because of genetics.

Fatties really annoy me because I can't understand why someone doesn't aim for physical perfection. A body is all a person truly has. It should be the most important thing to them.

This is what I don't get. Why does what someone else does with their life annoy you or anyone else for that matter? Someone being fat or skinny doesn't affect you in anyway whatsoever. DO you think that person wants to be fat? Don't you think he/she probably has his/her own demons that torment them?

Everyone is so damned judgemental over others. WHy some can't just focus on themselves and those they care about is beyond me. Perhaps it's a way to elevate oneself by putting others down.

 

[PoutineSp00nZ]

I lost 60 pounds and have kept it off for 3 years while living a very sedentary life. The difference is I understand nutrition, how the body works and I have self control.

Metabolism is at most 200 calories more burned in a day for someone of the same size. The problem is people don't know how much to eat in a day for their body size and are terrible at judging or knowing food amounts. Lack of education and bad parenting.

I do not understand. Unless they are some religious nut that thinks they are more then a body. I'm not saying a person needs to achieve it but it should be the goal.

Who the hell are you to tell other people what their goals should be?

 

[Benjamin]

This is what I don't get. Why does what someone else does with their life annoy you or anyone else for that matter? Someone being fat or skinny doesn't affect you in anyway whatsoever. DO you think that person wants to be fat? Don't you think he/she probably has his/her own demons that torment them?

Everyone is so damned judgemental over others. WHy some can't just focus on themselves and those they care about is beyond me. Perhaps it's a way to elevate oneself by putting others down.

I can't help but preceive everything. Just how I am. I am not trying to be judgmental of individuals. Outside of a discussion board I keep my opinion to myself and never make a big deal of anything.

Who the hell are you to tell other people what their goals should be?

How does this come across as me telling people what to do?

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

You guys are talking about how to stay fit, and I'm just sitting here eating cookies and drinking G&T's.

Dude.....Cadbury Creme Eggs are in Canadian store right now! droooool

They are so freaking gooood!

.....and yeah, I'm a good 30 over what I should be. But who cares? It's Cadbury Creme Egg season!

 

[LatteLarrys]

I'm not sure about that whole metabolism thing. My very good friend is about 5'10, 160lbs, and has never exercised a single day in his life and doesn't eat really that healthy at all. I am 6'1, 210lbs and my ideal weight is probably 190lbs so I'd like to lose 20. I run 4.5 miles per day 5 days a week after work and eat pretty healthy for the most.

Who's healthier?

Yeah, it's not black and white. Risks for developing certain conditions, especially as you age, are associated with both sedentary lifestyles and obesity. We all have predispositions for developing problems that are beyond our control despite taking the necessary precautions to mitigate them. I had a recently fun scare with benign eye floaters, and I can't do **** about the little, uninvited ********, exercise and diet be damned. You're obviously active and may not be blessed with the same metabolism as your friend, but you're improving your own lifestyle is more ways than you (and even scientists as they're beginning to find out - check out the effects on aging) probably realize.

Diet really does have a major influence on weight gain as people involuntarily found out. I mean, depending on your age/weight/height/etc., you may burn upwards of 250 calories from a vigorous jog, but then gain as much back from one tall can of coke or a cookie. Most people can have success with knowledge and commitment, but they'll have to be much more dedicated. Unfortunately, it can be hard to muster up the will power on a consistent basis.

 

[MakeOttawaGreatAgain]

This is what I don't get. Why does what someone else does with their life annoy you or anyone else for that matter? Someone being fat or skinny doesn't affect you in anyway whatsoever. DO you think that person wants to be fat? Don't you think he/she probably has his/her own demons that torment them?

Everyone is so damned judgemental over others. WHy some can't just focus on themselves and those they care about is beyond me. Perhaps it's a way to elevate oneself by putting others down.

This is 100% it, I think. When people aren't very talented at anything they tend to focus on bringing others down to inflate themselves?


Edit - This isn't an attack on anyone!

 

[Harbinger]

Losing weight is a simple concept but its mentally hard.

Did I just not say that?

It doesn't take an expert to understand that if someone is 50+ pounds over weight they aren't healthy. Short term or long term health problems. The human body did not evolve to have that much fat on them.

Some people are fat because they are lazy. The majority is fast because they are uneducated. A tiny percent is fat because of genetics.

Fatties really annoy me because I can't understand why someone doesn't aim for physical perfection. A body is all a person truly has. It should be the most important thing to them.

Uneducated? Hardly. Quit speaking out of your ass.

I lost 60 pounds and have kept it off for 3 years while living a very sedentary life. The difference is I understand nutrition, how the body works and I have self control.

Metabolism is at most 200 calories more burned in a day for someone of the same size. The problem is people don't know how much to eat in a day for their body size and are terrible at judging or knowing food amounts. Lack of education and bad parenting.

I do not understand. Unless they are some religious nut that thinks they are more then a body. I'm not saying a person needs to achieve it but it should be the goal.

Education and parental influence is a factor, but as I said earlier, it's the psychological binding to food that hinders weight loss.


Oh and get off your high horse. Not everyone is going to be perfect like you.

 

[Ice-Tray]

The public problem with obesity is that it places a burden on the healthcare system which we all have to pay for.

It was a driving reason behind the push to reduce smoking, and now being vastly overweight is the next target.

Live and let live is one thing, but when it comes to having to pay for the medical costs for others' who wilfully destroy their bodies it becomes something else all together.

If obesity, like smoking, didn't lead to the number one cause of death in the country, and the number one burden on our health care system, we would probably care less.

There is some nanny state responsibility for sure, but this is about a reduced population paying for a large (pardon the pun) segment of folks who can't get their acts together.

It is a completely preventable issue (like smoking) that goes far beyond blaming metabolism, and the minuscule number of people that can legitimately claim genetics.

The excuses are long, and the effort is short. Kids, sitting job, easy meals, no time, all excuses from people who don't make being healthy a priority in their lives. I live in the healthiest city in the country, and it's filled with working parents who make eating and living in a healthy manner simply a part of everyday life.

Making a wholesale change will obviously be a shock to the system and one's lives, but you're selling yourself short by blaming inaction on kids, work, and life in general.

 

[The Lewler]

Sorry, I read G+T's and went off to make my own.

Screw this heavy convo.

 

[Marty Straka]

Best site to book flights? looking to get a flight from Buffalo to Boston.

 

[PoutineSp00nZ]

I can't help but preceive everything. Just how I am. I am not trying to be judgmental of individuals. Outside of a discussion board I keep my opinion to myself and never make a big deal of anything.


How does this come across as me telling people what to do?

Perceiving someone being fat is noticing that they're fat. Referring to them as 'fatties' and declaring that they're uneducated with bad parents is being a judgemental *******.

You flat out said that Unless they are some religious nut that thinks they are more then a body. I'm not saying a person needs to achieve it but it should be the goal. How is that not telling people what their goal should be?

We all have our demons. We all have strengths where others are weak, nobody is perfect.

 

[YouGotAStuGoing]

Best site to book flights? looking to get a flight from Buffalo to Boston.

I use ITA Matrix.

 

[Benjamin]

Perceiving someone being fat is noticing that they're fat. Referring to them as 'fatties' and declaring that they're uneducated with bad parents is being a judgemental *******.

You flat out said that Unless they are some religious nut that thinks they are more then a body. I'm not saying a person needs to achieve it but it should be the goal. How is that not telling people what their goal should be?

We all have our demons. We all have strengths where others are weak, nobody is perfect.

I guess im judgmental then.

Im just saying how I view things. Maybe's its how I wrote it. Trust me, I really don't care about other people.

Clearly im perfect, though. Sovereign will back me up on this.

 

[PeterSidorkiewicz]

The public problem with obesity is that it places a burden on the healthcare system which we all have to pay for.

It was a driving reason behind the push to reduce smoking, and now being vastly overweight is the next target.

Live and let live is one thing, but when it comes to having to pay for the medical costs for others' who wilfully destroy their bodies it becomes something else all together.

If obesity, like smoking, didn't lead to the number one cause of death in the country, and the number one burden on our health care system, we would probably care less.

There is some nanny state responsibility for sure, but this is about a reduced population paying for a large (pardon the pun) segment of folks who can't get their acts together.

It is a completely preventable issue (like smoking) that goes far beyond blaming metabolism, and the minuscule number of people that can legitimately claim genetics.

The excuses are long, and the effort is short. Kids, sitting job, easy meals, no time, all excuses from people who don't make being healthy a priority in their lives. I live in the healthiest city in the country, and it's filled with working parents who make eating and living in a healthy manner simply a part of everyday life.

Making a wholesale change will obviously be a shock to the system and one's lives, but you're selling yourself short by blaming inaction on kids, work, and life in general.

Want to trade healthcare systems?

I'll throw in Greening.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Want to trade healthcare systems?

I'll throw in Greening.

Hahaha,

No thank you, and I'm mostly trying to relay some information and adding a little of my opinion. I applaud Health Canada's efforts to target controllable behaviour that has an enormously detrimental effect on health care. The cost is one issue, but better overall health of the nation is the outcome regardless.

How far can they/we go to curb advertising and product packaging though?

It still is a major cost in the US from what I read because a large percentage of the obese population are in a low socioeconomic bracket that relies on public health care. It is not nearly as robust a safety net as here in Canada, but there are also a LOT more people accessing it.

Then there are all of the related costs.

I do have some personal opinions on the issue as usual, but I think I'll refrain from wading in from that angle because it really is a touchy subject.