I'll be honest with you guys, I am interested in health care but I don't care about it too much, if that makes sense. The only reason I am interested in it right now is because I took a course that focuses on this and did a presentation on this twice.
I know nothing about healthcare systems, so the following is an extreme simplification of the choices I understand you have, and I'm happy to be corrected:
- everybody gets the same good healthcare, but the system is bankrupt and not sustainable (e.g., France)
- only the rich get excellent healthcare, the rest can't afford it (e.g., USA, but Obamacare may be an improvement)
- everybody gets the same bad healthcare, but the system isn't bankrupt (hmmm can't think of any example...
)
After having experienced the health care systems of at least a half-dozen different countries at this point, I can say that it has only reaffirmed my opinion that the Canadian system is one of the most fair, best systems out there.
Flawed? Sure. But just because it is flawed doesn't mean it needs to be scrapped. We just need to find the inefficiencies in the system and correct them.
The US style system is great if you have a lot of money, but it is so awful in every other respect. There is such an incredible class disparity involved that there will never be anything close to acceptable health care for those who need it most.
The Canadian system is the most ideal I've seen as far as keeping our COUNTRY healthy. I can't stress that point enough - People that argue for the American system are not thinking about their community, they're not thinking about their neighbor, they're not thinking about themselves as a part of a larger whole... they're thinking of themselves. Period. I'll gladly trade in ridiculously quick (and expensive!!!) wait times if it mean that the poorest Canadians can get the help they need, and won't have to declare bankruptcy to get it.
Agreed, I have experienced only Canada's system and the US system and all I can say is that Canada's system is much more affordable, even with the ACA the price of healthcare in the US is an immense burden on low income families. The US should have adopted the German or Japan models to healthcare as they would be more culturally easy to adopt in the US. Frontline's "Sick around the World" gives a good overall view of these systems if anyone is interested in knowing more.
There are flaws in every system. The Canadian health care model is more cost effect in dollar per person than the US model was back when only a portion of the population had coverage.
Just as side story, a relative moved to California and her son ended up finishing high school there. He took a course in history that was called something along the lines of America's Influence in the World. The teacher confronted this kid in front of the entire class over how Canadian health care is really communist. This stuff actually happens.
Didn't feel like replying to every one so but I did read all the posts.
I don't think the issue is whether or not Canada's health care system is bad in comparison to other countries, it ranks amongst the best systems worldwide. But that shouldn't be a deterrent to picking it apart and analyzing the discrepancies between what the system was meant to be and what it is now. As a student and an employee that receives good coverage from both school and work, I can't really complain too much about my costs
when I actually utilize the system. Now as a Canadian that doesn't need to go to the doctor often, like most other Canadians, I feel like I'm being ripped off.
Like DrEasy said, the system is one that's bankrupting and we'll see the full effect of it within the next decade, reason being: the baby boomers. ~50% (source) of the public aid spending is spent towards seniors aged 65 or higher, and they also happen to be the ones contributing
the least
Without going into too much detail...the current issue is that the baby boomers were born at a time where the current health care was made in a way that would focus on the short-term...meaning the cost of health care exceeded the taxes paid for health care, so they had no complaints. This trend continues until roughly ~1988-90, from that point on any one born after that is going to immediately be indebted by our flawed system.
Basically, if you have a kid in a couple years, he'll end up paying 27k more towards health care than he'll actually use...the system in place right now is basically a ponzi scheme where the people who were facing a problem with health care costs dealt with their problems, then they passed on the financial burden and costs to to the next generation, and so on, and now we'll be doing that to our kids.
I know my debate started with the baby boomers, but they are not the whole problem but imo the biggest part of it...it goes beyond health care costs but I don't want to get into that. If anyone cares enough about this I can send you my presentation lol
edit: also, I can't source this right now, but the medicare for seniors (65+) in the US ranks amongst the best in the world. IIRC, a problem there is that a lot of people would just delay their health problems until they hit that age, then go see the doctor and all those health problems/charges would come at once and cost a lot of money.
edit 2: I actually have another neat graph that highlights health care costs vs taxes paid for health care by age group that I can post if anyone wants, if you're more of a visual type person like me that prefers to see images rather than reading.