News Article: Sens interested in Tanev

[misplacedsensfan]

Is there not a way where with the cap going up, with contracts coming off the books, and with dead cap going away, that we could keep the 3 left D, keep Zub, and just bring in 2 defensive RHD? Maybe one through free agent and one through a trade?

Like, what if we moved on from guys like jbd and brannstrom and signed tanev. And then maybe get a 1st or 2nd for Tarasenko and package that with another pick for a 3rd pair RHD and then rock:

Sanderson-zub
Chabot-tanev
Chychrun - (defensive RHD)

And just roll them.

See ya hamonic. See ya brannstrom. See ya jbd. Take their cap space. Take tarasenkos caps space.


See ya kubalik. Extra 5 mil in dead cap. Etc etc.

I wonder if it can work out cap wise. Assume Pinto on like a 3yrX4M territory bridge deal or something

They could do it and also probably keep tarasenko.

 

[ottawah]

We need a Brendon Dillon/Jani Hakapaa/Brayden McNabb/Brandon Carlo/Josh Manson type defender; finding a guy like that for the right side shouldn't be a difficult task in the offseason. Ideally <30, but depending on player and contract it shouldn't be a huge sticking point.

Good luck unfortunately. RHD, especially defensive and young are just not easy to find.

Here are the UFAS with at least 13 minute average:

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There is not a lot there. DeAngeloa and Dehairnais at 29 are the youngest.

RHD is the hardest position to fill in the league. I expect we are looking at the same lineup next year on the right hand side. Or else overpay for a UFA or really overpay for a current contract.

 

[Cosmix]

They could do it and also probably keep tarasenko.

We could keep Chabot, Chychrun, Sanderson & Zub; however, we would have to cut salaries elsewhere (5 & 6 D, 3rd and 4th line, backup goaltender) to avoid exceeding the salary cap. Yes it can be done, but . . .

 

[ottawagm]

Good move to drive up the prices of other D in the market if you are thinking about trading one of your own.

 

[Erik Alfredsson]

You can't have all sub-30 players to be a well-rounded team. If this team is going to make the playoffs, they need a vet on the backend. Hamonic likely barely plays, if at all next year, you need a vet like Tanev to be a voice and a vet presence for the rest of the defense.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Good move to drive up the prices of other D in the market if you are thinking about trading one of your own.

I think part of doing this so loudly is to write a love letter to Tanev. That way, if he hits free agency and offers from others teams aren't what he expects, he knows he can come here and get his.

 

[misplacedsensfan]

We could keep Chabot, Chychrun, Sanderson & Zub; however, we would have to cut salaries elsewhere (5 & 6 D, 3rd and 4th line, backup goaltender) to avoid exceeding the salary cap. Yes it can be done, but . . .

The cap is supposed to be at 87.5 m next year. We can fit in a 5 m winger (Tarasenko) and a 4.5 m D (Tanev). Trade Brannstrom. Sign Pinto for 2 Y 2.5 m. Sign Kelly for 775k and you have a 21 man roster that is cap compliant.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

Tanev would be the equivalent of Giroux version for our backend. Would be unreal get but he's on the wrong side of 30 with history of annually missing 25% of the season due to injuries.

Would be insanely risky. Could be worth it off 1 injury-free season alone, but like I said, very risky.

 

[bert]

If Tanev does move for a 2nd and is willing to sign here that is move I absolutely would be interested in

He would be a perfect fit for what you want to compliment Sanderson or Chabby. If you can move Hamonic too even better.

If it turns out to a 1st being the price then its a offseason move.

I can see Ottawa is interested for sure

So you simultaneously give up assets to weaken the teams draft selection. When the team has the 2nd worst prospect pool in the NHL and sits in last in the conference. I guess Andlauer really did make a terrible mistake hiring Staios. Because no one in their right mind refuses to use common sense on this level. Well Dorion did but that's how we got here.

Sorry not buying Staios is this stupid.

The cap is supposed to be at 87.5 m next year. We can fit in a 5 m winger (Tarasenko) and a 4.5 m D (Tanev). Trade Brannstrom. Sign Pinto for 2 Y 2.5 m. Sign Kelly for 775k and you have a 21 man roster that is cap compliant.

Being pressed against the cap is a terrible way to operate. You need breathing room. Lesson learned for this season I am sure.

Good move to drive up the prices of other D in the market if you are thinking about trading one of your own.

Only aspect of this that makes sense if they did indeed 'leak' that they are interested.

The sens are sellers folks. Embrace the reality.

 

[Big Muddy]

Good luck unfortunately. RHD, especially defensive and young are just not easy to find.

Here are the UFAS with at least 13 minute average:

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There is not a lot there. DeAngeloa and Dehairnais at 29 are the youngest.

RHD is the hardest position to fill in the league. I expect we are looking at the same lineup next year on the right hand side. Or else overpay for a UFA or really overpay for a current contract.

Is Roy excluded because he's left-handed? I see him being discussed as a RD in here, but not on that list. Maybe there's other defenseman that play RD that would also be eliminated because of this?

 

[BondraTime]

Is Roy excluded because he's left-handed? I see him being discussed as a RD in here, but not on that list. Maybe there's other defenseman that play RD that would also be eliminated because of this?

He shoots right, it’s just not a complete list. Missing 4/5 big guys.

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Pesce, Walker, Roy, Carrier, etc.

 

[Big Muddy]

Here's a roster with Tanev in (new contract @ $5 m) and Chychrun moved out. No idea if people find this interesting or helpful (i.e., the numbers make discussions more concrete).

Since its discussed, if Chychrun stays and Chabot is moved, there would be even more cap space (+ $2.4 m I believe).

He shoots right, it’s just not a complete list. Missing 4/5 big guys.

2024 NHL Free Agents

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Pesce, Walker, Roy, Carrier, etc.

Thanks. Yes, I posted a list a couple of weeks ago and recalled it having more decent options.

 

[ottawah]

Is Roy excluded because he's left-handed? I see him being discussed as a RD in here, but not on that list. Maybe there's other defenseman that play RD that would also be eliminated because of this?

He is a righty. Odd, but definitely an issue with Cap Friendly as he meets all the criteria.

 

[ottawah]

Here's a roster with Tanev in (new contract @ $5 m) and Chychrun moved out. No idea if people find this interesting or helpful (i.e., the numbers make discussions more concrete).

Since its discussed, if Chychrun stays and Chabot is moved, there would be even more cap space (+ $2.4 m I believe).

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Thanks. Yes, I posted a list a couple of weeks ago and recalled it having more decent options.

Thanks, useful.

But simply changing Chychrun for Tanev (arguably not an upgrade) for a last place in the East team doesn't inspire a lot of confidence moving forward.

 

[Big Muddy]

Thanks, useful.

But simply changing Chychrun for Tanev (arguably not an upgrade) for a last place in the East team doesn't inspire a lot of confidence moving forward.

OK, not vehemently disagreeing or opposed to what you are saying.

But, I think I should point out that my main goal is just to apply numbers to the concepts and ideas presented by other posters in here. I identified this in my first paragraph of my post that you responded to.

Its also worth noting I suppose that some posters are saying they think we need a true RD (multiple years of experience playing on the right side).

 

[ottawah]

OK, not vehemently disagreeing or opposed to what you are saying.

But, I think I should point out that my main goal is just to apply numbers to the concepts and ideas presented by other posters in here. I identified this in my first paragraph of my post that you responded to.

Its also worth noting I suppose that some posters are saying they think we need a true RD (multiple years of experience playing on the right side).

Fair enough, and certainly do not disagree on the need for a RHD. Just not Tanev for me, based on cost, age and injury history.

Salary cap hell, last in the east, 2nd worst prospect pool in the league. Not sure signing a player who just scrapes by the 35+ rule with a few months to spare is the logical move.

 

[Big Muddy]

Fair enough, and certainly do not disagree on the need for a RHD. Just not Tanev for me, based on cost, age and injury history.

Salary cap hell, last in the east, 2nd worst prospect pool in the league. Not sure signing a player who just scrapes by the 35+ rule with a few months to spare is the logical move.

Sure, those ideas have some merit. I always like to see the numbers in addition to the ideas. It's more concrete, but I recognize it's a personal preference that is not done frequently.

 

[HSF]

So you simultaneously give up assets to weaken the teams draft selection. When the team has the 2nd worst prospect pool in the NHL and sits in last in the conference. I guess Andlauer really did make a terrible mistake hiring Staios. Because no one in their right mind refuses to use common sense on this level. Well Dorion did but that's how we got here.

Sorry not buying Staios is this stupid.


Being pressed against the cap is a terrible way to operate. You need breathing room. Lesson learned for this season I am sure.


Only aspect of this that makes sense if they did indeed 'leak' that they are interested.

The sens are sellers folks. Embrace the reality.

Sens will probably get a 2nd for Tarasenko

They already have 2 firsts.

They will be fine. The goal is to win with this core. Its important to build around them IF the opportunity is not expensive

I would still see what else is out there and try to keepy Chychrun and add a lesser name on RD

 

[misplacedsensfan]

So you simultaneously give up assets to weaken the teams draft selection. When the team has the 2nd worst prospect pool in the NHL and sits in last in the conference. I guess Andlauer really did make a terrible mistake hiring Staios. Because no one in their right mind refuses to use common sense on this level. Well Dorion did but that's how we got here.

Sorry not buying Staios is this stupid.


Being pressed against the cap is a terrible way to operate. You need breathing room. Lesson learned for this season I am sure.


Only aspect of this that makes sense if they did indeed 'leak' that they are interested.

The sens are sellers folks. Embrace the reality.

We wouldn’t be as pressed as we are this year. And l doubt it is a lesson learned. They have done fine managing the cap, the only issue was not being able to fit Pinto in, but that solved itself with the suspension. Look at who has been winning cups. It’s usually teams that are up against the cap.

 

[misplacedsensfan]

Sens will probably get a 2nd for Tarasenko

They already have 2 firsts.

They will be fine. The goal is to win with this core. Its important to build around them IF the opportunity is not expensive

I would still see what else is out there and try to keepy Chychrun and add a lesser name on RD

I agree. A second round pick likely won’t help us for 4 years, if at all. At that point it’s likely too late for this core. They need to be a playoff team next year. If it’s just a 2nd and maybe Brannstrom for a signed Tanev, you do it. We have an advantage to other teams because our 2nd will likely be higher.

 

[Micklebot]

Is Roy excluded because he's left-handed? I see him being discussed as a RD in here, but not on that list. Maybe there's other defenseman that play RD that would also be eliminated because of this?

The link has signing status as UFA, I suspect the intent was to use expiry status as UFA, here's a new link with him on it.

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[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Tanev signed as a UFA to both Vancouver and Calgary. I believe he's staying in Canada and imo is likely to sign with whoever acquires him out of Van, Edm, Tor or Ott. I don't think it'll be us, but I suspect them trying to get ahead of it could be due to him not being expected to be available July 1. Just my theory.

 

[Wondercarrot]

Here's a roster with Tanev in (new contract @ $5 m) and Chychrun moved out. No idea if people find this interesting or helpful (i.e., the numbers make discussions more concrete).

Since its discussed, if Chychrun stays and Chabot is moved, there would be even more cap space (+ $2.4 m I believe).

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Thanks. Yes, I posted a list a couple of weeks ago and recalled it having more decent options.

I always appreciate your spreadsheets!
If people don’t know the numbers , there is really no point in making rosters with fantasy trades.

 

[Wondercarrot]

Has there been any suggestion of trading Tarasenko then re-signing him in the summer?
He wouldn’t have to move his family etc.

 

[Big Muddy]

I always appreciate your spreadsheets!
If people don’t know the numbers , there is really no point in making rosters with fantasy trades.

That's kind of how I look at it.

If people just like posting fantasy type posts, who am I to argue.

But, if the goal is make realistic trade proposals, then the numbers are needed. You can't even pass the basic criteria of "will this even work" without the numbers.

Update - There was another poster in here that did this (spreadsheet) before. I liked the idea, so decided to run with it.