News Article: Sens interested in Tanev

[jbeck5]

This is all pretty much how I see it.

I don't see it as cheaping out. Staios was named GM but I think it's a short term thing and they know it. They think quite highly of Ryan Bowness and he'll be doing a lot of the heavy lifting in the GM duties. If he does well I think he could very well be the next GM. Hence the elevation from assistant GM to associate GM.

I think it won't be more than 2 years until Staios is solely the POHO and the GM role is filled by Bowness or somebody else. He just removed the interim tag to remove any short term doubt about direction of the team. He won't be GM for long, IMO.

Interesting. This would make more sense. I was under the impression that press conference was to say the search is done and this is the plan going forward.

Why wouldn't he make moves with the interim tag though...I still wish that tag was tied to his name as Im not a fan of having both positions filled by the same person.

I would have taken the message better if he just said he's interim but that won't stop him from making trades or signings until we do get that GM. Would have just given me a bit more confidence that the plan is not to have both positions filled by the same guy.

 

[Tuna99]

Lol are we chirping the trans movement now?

Back to the issue. Why is it a problem to use descriptive adjectives? Like fast car? Like big truck? Like experienced coach? Like inexperienced GM? Like loud sound system?

What's the issue?

People don’t like to be labelled, they like to be fully understood and identified upon 1st appearance

 

[jbeck5]

Geeeeez. If you have kids and name the 3rd one Alice are you going to keep introducing her to everyone as your 3rd born?

Hey how is your third born doing?

Say hi to thirbo for me, will you?

No, but I may use adjectives.

"This is my 8 year old son." For example.

I'm not scared of using adjectives like you are. They're descriptive. It's good.

People don’t like to be labelled, they like to be fully understood and identified upon 1st appearance

That's why I always introduce myself as the best looking and smartest man on earth so people don't get it confused and start using their own adjectives for me!

 

[umma gumma]

No, but I may use adjectives.

"This is my 8 year old son." For example.

I'm not scared of using adjectives like you are. They're descriptive. It's good.

People will think you're a knob when you only ever refer to him as your 8 year old son and never by his name. Your kid might too. But go on.

 

[jbeck5]

People will think you're a knob when you only ever refer to him as your 8 year old son and never by his name. But go on.

You love calling people knobs lol. I remember 1998.

I wouldn't always refer to him as an 8 year old. You're being dense.

"Hello Steve, long time no talk! This is my son Eric, the 8 year old!"

"Daaadddd! I'm 17!"

"Whatever billy!"

Side note: I was watching young Sheldon ( I know) and the dad referred to him as "his 12 year old genius son". Who's grabbing the pitchforks. You or me? Let's get those f***ers!!

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

I'd say both. You can get by by not conditioning yourself as much at 25. At 30? No dice.

We've seen plenty of players have success at 20-25-30 and be nowhere to be seen in their 30s without any devastating injuries.

It's just a lot easier to be energetic/fast/exuberant when you're like 22 than it is when you're 32. If your don't have the drive, you can't fake it at 30 like you can at 25.


Watching that Daigle documentary where he talks about how motivated other top talents were... basically said he was jealous of lindros' drive to be the best. He said he lost that drive at 15 years old.

It's easy for him to put up 50 point paces in his 20s without that drive based on talent. Not so easy in his 30s as he played in Europe the last handful of years.

Ya that's good points and touches on what I sort of meant, but didn't go in to detail on. It's obviously much more difficult at 30+ to maintain the body, so the guys that get to play longer, are often doing it simply from having more drive to maintain it and be in proper condition to keep up and reduce chance of injuries.

So, I guess it's age related, but at 31, I can't help but feel he just falls in to that category like you lay out. Could do it while it came easy and lost it quickly after.

I'm sure it gets more and more difficult as you've waded through your career, made gobs of cash to retire on, had kids to focus on and raise, etc., but ya, some guys just seem to have it in them while some don't. Just look at LeBron James, he's made it his mission and he's arguably putting up better numbers than before and it's crazy to see.

I think, and again, not advocating for it, but I think that's where I veer with Tanev. He gives me the impression of the guy that will put in the work and basically exhaust all options within his control, unlike a lot of others are able to. I have him in very high regard for my hockey opinions of players. If only he were like 2 years younger, I'd feel comfortable.

 

[jbeck5]

Ya that's good points and touches on what I sort of meant, but didn't go in to detail on. It's obviously much more difficult at 30+ to maintain the body, so the guys that get to play longer, are often doing it simply from having more drive to maintain it and be in proper condition to keep up and reduce chance of injuries.

So, I guess it's age related, but at 31, I can't help but feel he just falls in to that category like you lay out. Could do it while it came easy and lost it quickly after.

I'm sure it gets more and more difficult as you've waded through your career, made gobs of cash to retire on, had kids to focus on and raise, etc., but ya, some guys just seem to have it in them while some don't. Just look at LeBron James, he's made it his mission and he's arguably putting up better numbers than before and it's crazy to see.

I think, and again, not advocating for it, but I think that's where I veer with Tanev. He gives me the impression of the guy that will put in the work and basically exhaust all options within his control, unlike a lot of others are able to. I have him in very high regard for my hockey opinions of players. If only he were like 2 years younger, I'd feel comfortable.

Interesting take. I definitely agree with you that those guys with crazy drive can be good til they're 40 of whatever.

So you think he might be one of those guys? That's interesting. I'm not saying he's not.

Usually those guys are all stars though when they were in their prime. Tanev was never an all star. BUT, there are those occasional non star players that are just very good and remain in great shape and are useful players until 40. Matt Cullen comes to mind.

If we get him, I hope you're right.

 

[umma gumma]

I wouldn't always refer to him as an 8 year old. You're being dense.

No you are being dense. The reason we're having this debate is because a certain poster only ever addresses Staios with adjectives, which is what I'm trying to get you to understand. And he sounds like a knob. This is the same poster that thinks Staios might be so insecure that he won't hire an experienced coach in case said coach gets in Andlauer's ear about the lack of experience Staios has being a rookie gm.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Interesting take. I definitely agree with you that those guys with crazy drive can be good til they're 40 of whatever.

So you think he might be one of those guys? That's interesting. I'm not saying he's not.

Usually those guys are all stars though when they were in their prime. Tanev was never an all star. BUT, there are those occasional non star players that are just very good and remain in great shape and are useful players until 40. Matt Cullen comes to mind.

If we get him, I hope you're right.

Well, don't get me wrong, I still think it's an outlier situation, just saying it can and does still happen, on occasion, and that like Giroux, there could be opportunity out there somewhere. I don't like closing off to it based solely on DOB.

I think 40 is pushing it. I wouldn't go there so much as I think that's freak of nature territory. Lebron is a freak even though I brought that up. Alfie could fall in that category and like you say, is more typical of stars. Cullen is an excellent example of lesser known.

But on the subject of Tanev say. He just turned 34 a month ago. So, in my original argument, I said if he'd ever do a 2 year deal and were a free wallet instead of trade (or cheap to acquire), I would sign him to that and I think he'll live up to it, yes. But, that only puts him at a fairly fresh 36 on expiry, so a bit different than the 40 mark. On that note, I might even consider 3 years, and he'd be 37 on expiry. If he does decline, it hasn't happened yet, as he's playing as well this year as he ever has.

 

[Loach]

He's right that we usually lose those trades and get crap from them.

Yay, Chiasson and Sokolov for Spezza...

Why are you so disagreeable and upset with the idea we lose most trades, especially in the immediate timing.

Like it's a fact that almost any big name trade gives us the lesser of the returns in the immediate, and yet here you are taking it out on some random poster? Why?

Beat it.

 

[Cosmix]

People don’t like to be labelled, they like to be fully understood and identified upon 1st appearance

So, shall we all wear tags?

 

[Cosmix]

Well, don't get me wrong, I still think it's an outlier situation, just saying it can and does still happen, on occasion, and that like Giroux, there could be opportunity out there somewhere. I don't like closing off to it based solely on DOB.

I think 40 is pushing it. I wouldn't go there so much as I think that's freak of nature territory. Lebron is a freak even though I brought that up. Alfie could fall in that category and like you say, is more typical of stars. Cullen is an excellent example of lesser known.

But on the subject of Tanev say. He just turned 34 a month ago. So, in my original argument, I said if he'd ever do a 2 year deal and were a free wallet instead of trade (or cheap to acquire), I would sign him to that and I think he'll live up to it, yes. But, that only puts him at a fairly fresh 36 on expiry, so a bit different than the 40 mark. On that note, I might even consider 3 years, and he'd be 37 on expiry. If he does decline, it hasn't happened yet, as he's playing as well this year as he ever has.

Max of 2 years for Tanev as a UFA signing or low cost trade such as Kubalik or a 3rd round pick.

 

[jbeck5]

No you are being dense. The reason we're having this debate is because a certain poster only ever addresses Staios with adjectives, which is what I'm trying to get you to understand. And he sounds like a knob. This is the same poster that thinks Staios might be so insecure that he won't hire an experienced coach in case said coach gets in Andlauer's ear about the lack of experience Staios has being a rookie gm.

Well I'll leave you two to it then. Have fun.

Well, don't get me wrong, I still think it's an outlier situation, just saying it can and does still happen, on occasion, and that like Giroux, there could be opportunity out there somewhere. I don't like closing off to it based solely on DOB.

I think 40 is pushing it. I wouldn't go there so much as I think that's freak of nature territory. Lebron is a freak even though I brought that up. Alfie could fall in that category and like you say, is more typical of stars. Cullen is an excellent example of lesser known.

But on the subject of Tanev say. He just turned 34 a month ago. So, in my original argument, I said if he'd ever do a 2 year deal and were a free wallet instead of trade (or cheap to acquire), I would sign him to that and I think he'll live up to it, yes. But, that only puts him at a fairly fresh 36 on expiry, so a bit different than the 40 mark. On that note, I might even consider 3 years, and he'd be 37 on expiry. If he does decline, it hasn't happened yet, as he's playing as well this year as he ever has.

For the record, my disapproval was based on the rumour of trading a 1st or 2nd for him.

I'm very ok with signing him to a reasonable 2 year deal this summer.

Beat it.

Micheal Jackson?

 

[Butchy Dakkar]

Much like his username, he has everything backwards and he sucks the life out of things.

derongi

participating here is so much nicer that way

 

[Bileur]

That doesn't make sense. Who is going to believe that Ottawa is someone they need to beat to acquire Tanev? If Calgary is using a team as a stalking horse, Ottawa is a bad choice.

And why would Friedman believe Calgary if they told him that Ottawa had interest? It has to be coming from the Ottawa side to be credible. I believe that Ottawa is targeting Tanev this offseason and wants him to know they'll be targeting him.

Given the garbage we’ve been through with Dorion and already losing a 1st, I doubt Ottawa would be risking tampering allegations under this new management.

Maybe Ottawa checked in on the price, but I doubt they’re leaking anything.

 

[Micklebot]

Lol are we chirping the trans movement now?

Back to the issue. Why is it a problem to use descriptive adjectives? Like fast car? Like big truck? Like experienced coach? Like inexperienced GM? Like loud sound system?

What's the issue?

Well, the issue is the one specific poster repeating the adjective ad-nauseam, to the point that sometimes it's done multiple times in the same post

If you're adding an adjective to add additional information that the reader might not know, it has value, but it's pretty transparent that isn't what was happening with the one poster so people understandably called him out for it.

 

[BankStreetParade]

Honestly, a lot of that, though not wrong, had nothing to do with my point.

My point has nothing to do with dorion or the comparison. It has nothing to do with spending in other areas.


My point was solely that we were expecting an experienced POHO and an experienced GM. What did we get? A rookie POHO and a rookie GM who guess what? IS THE SAME PERSON.


I think people where expecting a POHO that probably cost twice as much and comes with experience, and then also a GM who costs a decent chunk and has experience.

Instead we got a cheap rookie POHO and then doubled up his duties as GM.


It's literally the opposite of what everyone was hoping for when we heard andlauer was getting the team.

It's an interesting point about the timing in the fall vs the off season.

Do you honestly see andlauer demoting staios in the summer and brining in an experience POHO and GM when everyone is available?

No, me neither.

So we have nothing else to do but complain.

Out of curiosity, have you been called a Dorion Defender yet? Seems to be easily applied to others who take this exact position.

 

[Tuna99]

So, shall we all wear tags?

I just put my Alfie jersey on so people know I’m a follower of God

 

[Byron Bitz]

I'd do a 4th + one or two of our prospects that need a change of teams. Otherwise, it can wait until the off season.

Another team will top that offer

 

[ottawagm]

Another team will top that offer

As they should. We shouldn't be paying a 2nd+ for a rental unless we go 10-0 before the trade deadline.

If we can get a player with term, fine let's do it, but I think that's a long shot.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Edmonton and/or Toronto will offer up their 1st's with Tanev as their main target imo. Van will get involved too, surely.

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

I suppose its acceptable if you insist on sounding like a knob.

You sound offended….

 

[Cosmix]

You sound offended….

I am curious; what does a knob sound like?

 

[Duncstar]

I hope this is a joke.

He's an almost 35 year old stay at home defenseman who's an upcoming free agent and will probably cost decent assets.

We should be one of the LAST teams trying to trade for him.

He's at the stage in his career where he's a 1yrx 2-3m as a free agent. Nothing a bottom feeder should be going for. Especially at the cost of picks or prospects when are cupboards are sooooo bare.

Are you guys on here all this stupid? He's 5-6 mil easy in the off season, hasn't missed much hockey in the last 3 seasons for a D man, and very solid at DEFENDING SOMETHING WE'VE FCN BEEN TERRIBLE AT.

Jesus christ the takes in here are absolute trash. Stop building your EA NHL dynasty teams where someone trades you a RHD stud for a 2nd and Brannstrom.

Full stop. UFA options are garbage, and a team will overpay and get him before us in FA. This is a decent window to sign him and it'll cost you s 3 yr term at about 4-6 mil. And ya that sucks, but there aren't many RHD out there and no one's trading them unless they're retooling or rebuilding.

He's got everything we've been looking for except age, maybe the last year of his contract isn't amazing but if you want playoffs next year you do this 10 times out of 10. You can recoup a 1st from Chabby or Chychrun if you're horny for picks.

 

[jbeck5]

Are you guys on here all this stupid? He's 5-6 mil easy in the off season, hasn't missed much hockey in the last 3 seasons for a D man, and very solid at DEFENDING SOMETHING WE'VE FCN BEEN TERRIBLE AT.

Jesus christ the takes in here are absolute trash. Stop building your EA NHL dynasty teams where someone trades you a RHD stud for a 2nd and Brannstrom.

Full stop. UFA options are garbage, and a team will overpay and get him before us in FA. This is a decent window to sign him and it'll cost you s 3 yr term at about 4-6 mil. And ya that sucks, but there aren't many RHD out there and no one's trading them unless they're retooling or rebuilding.

He's got everything we've been looking for except age, maybe the last year of his contract isn't amazing but if you want playoffs next year you do this 10 times out of 10. You can recoup a 1st from Chabby or Chychrun if you're horny for picks.

I'm saying not to trade for him as an upcoming free agent and a bottom feeder.

I literally said I'm ok with signing him as a free agent. I'd even do 2 years. 3 is too risky in my opinion. Especially at the 6 mil you mention.

If that makes me stupid, so be it.

Lots of people here agree that it's dumb to be buyers at this deadline so I guess we're all stupid.