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Who wouldn't?


I said they cheaped out on the POHO and GM position.

How much are we paying to fill those 2 positions compared to the top teams in the league?

Nothing you're saying is changing those facts.

I'm saying he cheaped out on POHO and GM positions and you go on about how they spend money elsewhere.

It has nothing to do with not liking the answer and everything to do with the answer not addressing the question.

I never said he cheaped out on other staff. Not once. I'm sure he's getting great trainers and what not. But that wasn't my point...at all.
So who was Andlauer breaking the bank for in the middle of pre season to hire as POHO? Please enlighten me. Would you have preffered they hired Dubas? Knowing they would take over the fall? A guy who i wouldnt switch for Staios in any scenario. Id really like to know the other options. Do you dislike what you have seen from staios?
 
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Who wouldn't?


I said they cheaped out on the POHO and GM position.

How much are we paying to fill those 2 positions compared to the top teams in the league?

Who cares at this point? Staois is clearly the guy the owner wants running the show. He might be cheap from a salary perspective because he's inexperienced (although we don't really know management salaries) but would you call the organization cheap if they traded Tarasenko for Jiricek because of the difference in salaries?

The best guys aren't available during the season because, for the most part, quality people already have jobs. We will see what happens this summer. That's the time to judge how the organization is being handled.
 

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How about addressing him by his name? You can choose from two; Steve, or Staios. Indeed, put them together and you have a third option.

so rookie GM Steve Staois is acceptable?

just as veteran GM Ken Holland is, right?
 

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It seems like Friedman is thinking this is a offseason type move which makes sense. Probably a UFA target if he hits the market
 

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It’s going to be a Taney type player, don’t think it’s going to be Tanev.

A big, defense first D on a 3.5-5 million dollar contract.

Step in and play 19 minutes a game.
 
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It seems like Friedman is thinking this is a offseason type move which makes sense. Probably a UFA target if he hits the market

You have to wonder why this rumour is being put out there. If they just wanted to trade for him now, there's no need to have this go public.

But if they're letting him and his agent know they're interested this summer, it makes sense. You want Tanev to know there's a market for him this summer and not to just sign a new deal for a team that trades for him.
 

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You have to wonder why this rumour is being put out there. If they just wanted to trade for him now, there's no need to have this go public.

But if they're letting him and his agent know they're interested this summer, it makes sense. You want Tanev to know there's a market for him this summer and not to just sign a new deal for a team that trades for him.

I think the sens are being used as a stalking horse, probably by Calgary, to drive up the price.

Why would Staios’ notoriously tight ship (at least so far) all of a sudden develop loose lips to his detriment?

I don’t buy the sens would send assets now to get Tanev unless an extension is in place.
 
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You have to wonder why this rumour is being put out there. If they just wanted to trade for him now, there's no need to have this go public.

But if they're letting him and his agent know they're interested this summer, it makes sense. You want Tanev to know there's a market for him this summer and not to just sign a new deal for a team that trades for him.
Earlier this year one of the insiders said that Tanev was willing to sign with Toronto. Perhaps it is his agent leaking info or even the Flames to drive up his price
 

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I think the sens are being used as a stalking horse, probably by Calgary, to drive up the price.

Why would Staios’ notoriously tight ship (at least so far) all of a sudden develop loose lips to his detriment?

That doesn't make sense. Who is going to believe that Ottawa is someone they need to beat to acquire Tanev? If Calgary is using a team as a stalking horse, Ottawa is a bad choice.

And why would Friedman believe Calgary if they told him that Ottawa had interest? It has to be coming from the Ottawa side to be credible. I believe that Ottawa is targeting Tanev this offseason and wants him to know they'll be targeting him.
 

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If Tanev does move for a 2nd and is willing to sign here that is move I absolutely would be interested in

He would be a perfect fit for what you want to compliment Sanderson or Chabby. If you can move Hamonic too even better.

If it turns out to a 1st being the price then its a offseason move.

I can see Ottawa is interested for sure
 

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I think the sens are being used as a stalking horse, probably by Calgary, to drive up the price.

Why would Staios’ notoriously tight ship (at least so far) all of a sudden develop loose lips to his detriment?

I don’t buy the sens would send assets now to get Tanev unless an extension is in place.

Exactly, this is being leaked by Calgary to force the Leafs to up their price. Trying to make a rival team think twice if he goes to Ottawa instead. Seeing how Treleving has been rumored to be in on Tanev since he was hired for the Leafs.
 

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Cause you look like an knob when everyone else refers to the red truck as a fire truck. Like you're trying to be clever. You call it a red truck if you haven't the vocabulary to expand on it (or if one is being obtuse); what kind of truck? I dunno...a red one. Yeah but what kind? Dump, fire, tow... I said red!

It's not a firetruck. It's just a red truck.

You see 5 pickup trucks in a parking lot and you say "the red one"...why would you need to expand any vocabulary?

Why are you so scared of adjectives?

What a weird thing to get defensive of..the use of adjectives lol.

Strange but ok.
 

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It's not a firetruck. It's just a red truck.

You see 5 pickup trucks in a parking lot and you say "the red one"...why would you need to expand any vocabulary?

Why are you so scared of adjectives?

What a weird thing to get defensive of..the use of adjectives lol.

Strange but ok.
We don't have 5 pick up trucks, we have one. Its not the use of the adjectives that is an issue, its the person using them in the manner that they are. Trying to be clever, or funny.
 

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So who was Andlauer breaking the bank for in the middle of pre season to hire as POHO? Please enlighten me. Would you have preffered they hired Dubas? Knowing they would take over the fall? A guy who i wouldnt switch for Staios in any scenario. Id really like to know the other options. Do you dislike what you have seen from staios?

Not at all.

I was explaining how others could be disappointed or could point out we hired a rookie.

This is facts.

The board was also hollering for positions being filled with experience. Specifically POHO and GM.

Someone else pointed out how we got a rookie for the job. This is true. Others shat on him for saying so. I'm defending against the shitting on. Because everything stated is factual.

This isn't my opinion on staios performance. This is me defending the poster who made the claim about going with rookie management yet again after we were hoping for more experience. Because it's true.


I'm not pushing an opinion. I'm trying to push facts.


I'm not saying anything about how good or bad staios is. I'm simply stating that we went for a rookie and instead of filling 2 positions with experience, we filled them with one person without experience. If anyone tries to argue that we didn't hire a rookie or inexperienced guy or tries to argue that we didn't fill 2 positions with that one person, then I will rebuttal because the facts are out there and easily searchable.
 

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Who wouldn't?


I said they cheaped out on the POHO and GM position.

How much are we paying to fill those 2 positions compared to the top teams in the league?

Nothing you're saying is changing those facts.

I'm saying he cheaped out on POHO and GM positions and you go on about how they spend money elsewhere.

It has nothing to do with not liking the answer and everything to do with the answer not addressing the question.

I never said he cheaped out on other staff. Not once. I'm sure he's getting great trainers and what not. But that wasn't my point...at all.
You compared it to Melnyk's cheapness. What else did you expect? He trolled this fanbase for years. Of course you're gonna get some push back comparing it to his bullshit methods. With Melnyk we had instances where people weren't considered or hired because of salary demands. It was built in to the operation that you HAD to be cheap to be hired. SS is quite obviously just the guy MA wants in charge, regardless of price, and he's shown he's willing to invest in the team, so POHO/GM would have been no different if other indications tell us anything.
 
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Who cares at this point? Staois is clearly the guy the owner wants running the show. He might be cheap from a salary perspective because he's inexperienced (although we don't really know management salaries) but would you call the organization cheap if they traded Tarasenko for Jiricek because of the difference in salaries?

The best guys aren't available during the season because, for the most part, quality people already have jobs. We will see what happens this summer. That's the time to judge how the organization is being handled.

I would be agreeing with you if staios also had an interim tag...but they basically confirmed that he's the full time GM when they hired poulin, no?

I was quiet before, because I thought we would be adding a guy of experience to either the poho or GM position.

Do you honestly think they'll demote staios to replace him with these better/more experienced people this summer? If the answer is no, then what does waiting for the summer do?

I'm all for waiting for the summer if there's a goal in place to fill these positions with experience...but I'm under the impression that we're going with not only a rookie at both positions, but also the same person doing both positions...as a rookie?


I was just hoping for more experience. We've already went the inexperienced/rookie way with GM and coaches in the past and it hasn't worked out. I was under the impression new ownership wanted to bring in people who knew how to win and have shown it.


Nothing against staios as a person or manager. I'm just stating how clearly inexperienced he is and how he's doing 2 jobs as that inexperienced person. Is this a recipe for success? I have my doubts based on experience of doing those types of moves and almost always getting poor results.

You compared it to Melnyk's cheapness. What else did you expect? He trolled this fanbase for years. Of course you're gonna get some push back comparing it to his bullshit methods. With Melnyk we had instances where people weren't considered or hired because of salary demands. It was built in to the operation that you HAD to be cheap to be hired. SS is quite obviously just the guy MA wants in charge, regardless of price, and he's shown he's willing to invest in the team, so POHO/GM would have been no different if other indications tell us anything.

I don't think I did compare it to Melnyk at all. It's been a long couple days so I don't remember even mentioning Melnyk lol. I may have said we cheaped out under Melnyk by getting inexperienced guys and thought the plan was different under andlauer. That's the only reason I would even mention Melnyk here.
 

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I'm not comparing him to Stepan as a player..one is a forward. One is a defenseman.

I'm comparing the fact they were both big name players who performed well in the past and are both not likely to sustain it for long much longer into the future. Essentially, we would pay a high price for a player based on his past even though he's unlikely to be able to sustain it for years forward.

I was also making a joke about how the cost would only be a 2nd round pick (what we paid for Stepan)

The fact you thought I was comparing the players themselves is pretty telling about you.
Interestingly, Stepan wasn't even that old when we acquired him. He would have just turned 31. It seems like his decline was probably not as much age related as it probably was desire and motivation to condition said body properly.
 

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Because it identifies as a truck stop

Lol are we chirping the trans movement now?

Back to the issue. Why is it a problem to use descriptive adjectives? Like fast car? Like big truck? Like experienced coach? Like inexperienced GM? Like loud sound system?

What's the issue?
 

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I don't think I did compare it to Melnyk at all. It's been a long couple days so I don't remember even mentioning Melnyk lol. I may have said we cheaped out under Melnyk by getting inexperienced guys and thought the plan was different under andlauer. That's the only reason I would even mention Melnyk here.
Fair. I didn't go back and check the post or anything, but had memory of Melnyk being mentioned. That's always bound to put some flames in the responses and I thought it was fair to point out it's a different type of "cheapness" in that it was basically a requirement to be hired under Melnyk.
 

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We don't have 5 pick up trucks, we have one. Its not the use of the adjectives that is an issue, its the person using them in the manner that they are. Trying to be clever, or funny.

So if you have one tv in the house and you describe it to your friend by saying "I have a 75" 8k tv", you would have an issue because you would think they're trying to be clever or funny?

Or is it just in this very specific instance where you are seeming to take a personal side to the debate where you have an issue with adjectives?

Would you have an issue if your wife/husband/bf/gf said "you are a handsome/pretty man/woman"?
 

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I dont think that they cheaped out on management. Seems lot of the fanbase doesn't seem to acknowledge that ownership took over in the middle of pre season. They haven't had an offseason to fill those positions in hockey ops. Thats when all the options become available. Andlauder has done the exact opposite of cheaping out. He immediately bolstered analytics and hired Matt Nichol the best in the business for fitness and nutrition. Every other part of the organization has been added to or improved. Everything from marketing, hospitality, hell there are even more ushers. Its noticable how much better spirits all the staff are that are working the game. Andlauer renovated the players and family lounge and improved the meal plans and food. Look what he did for the familys when the team went to europe or the extra attention the mothers got on the mothers trip.

Andlauers hand was forced with both DJ and Dorion I highly doubt he came into the season wanting to fire them. He has added Alfie, Martin and Poulin to hockey ops... I do not think he is done either. Maybe give him an offseason to see is Staios hires a GM or more consultants.

Secondly Staios and Dorion couldnt be any different people and hires. Dorion was hired by someone that wanted a yes man at the helm that he could manipulate and pay as little as possible. Dorion had a good scouting back round I dont know how anyone thought he was qualified to be a General Manager at this level. How would he have any idea what it takes to win at the pro level. he never played, he never coached and never had success at the management level. The moment he took over Binghampton as the GM the team took a nose dive. I know from players on that team that he was unprofessional in how he addressed them and dealt with the players day to day.
I respect Dorion as an amateur scout but thats all he is and all his experience and skillset is cut out for.

Staios on the other hand was a guy that did it the hard way. No hand outs, 2nd round pick that worked his way on to a top pair on a team that went to the SCF he had 1000 games and played for his country. Once he was finished he went directly into management and worked his way up. He won an OHL championship ( something Dubas never did) and was a sought after commodity. While yes he is a rookie GM at the NHL level he has surrounded himself with other experienced people and I dont think he is done. He knows what it takes to win and so far he has taken a methodical approach. Yes he hasnt done anything major but I am glad there has been no panic and when you listen to his press conferences his hockey IQ and management abilities are undeniable. I dont think we can possible say that about Dorion.

I am going to wait and see before I judge but I have been very happy so far. I also dont think Dorion and Staios are anything alike from a professional and character level. Staios is willing to work with others and listen to their opinions. Dorion has a detailed history of the opposite.

This is all pretty much how I see it.

I don't see it as cheaping out. Staios was named GM but I think it's a short term thing and they know it. They think quite highly of Ryan Bowness and he'll be doing a lot of the heavy lifting in the GM duties. If he does well I think he could very well be the next GM. Hence the elevation from assistant GM to associate GM.

I think it won't be more than 2 years until Staios is solely the POHO and the GM role is filled by Bowness or somebody else. He just removed the interim tag to remove any short term doubt about direction of the team. He won't be GM for long, IMO.
 
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Interestingly, Stepan wasn't even that old when we acquired him. He would have just turned 31. It seems like his decline was probably not as much age related as it probably was desire and motivation to condition said body properly.

I'd say both. You can get by by not conditioning yourself as much at 25. At 30? No dice.

We've seen plenty of players have success at 20-25-30 and be nowhere to be seen in their 30s without any devastating injuries.

It's just a lot easier to be energetic/fast/exuberant when you're like 22 than it is when you're 32. If your don't have the drive, you can't fake it at 30 like you can at 25.


Watching that Daigle documentary where he talks about how motivated other top talents were... basically said he was jealous of lindros' drive to be the best. He said he lost that drive at 15 years old.

It's easy for him to put up 50 point paces in his 20s without that drive based on talent. Not so easy in his 30s as he played in Europe the last handful of years.
 

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Would you have an issue if your wife/husband/bf/gf said "you are a handsome/pretty man/woman"?
Geeeeez. If you have kids and name the 3rd one Alice are you going to keep introducing her to everyone as your 3rd born?

Hey how is your third born doing?

Say hi to thirbo for me, will you?
 

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I'd do a 4th + one or two of our prospects that need a change of teams. Otherwise, it can wait until the off season.
 

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