News Article: Sens interested in Tanev

BonHoonLayneCornell

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I get the feeling that Tanev’s “best before date” is about now. There would have to be a sweet deal on the table for me to pull the trigger on trading for him.
Well, he did just turn 34. Probably doesn't need to be any sort of spider sense implied.

It's basically just how everyone sees every 34 year old now. Assumption is they're soon to be washed. And odds are probably in their favor.
 
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Well, he did just turn 34. Probably doesn't need to be any sort of spider sense implied.

It's basically just how everyone sees every 34 year old now. Assumption is they're soon to be washed. And odds are probably in their favor.
Players are generally peaking around 25, 26 now, maybe a year or so more for D men.

And with Tanev, the style he plays is bruising. He has only been above 70 games played once in 11 years, although he did do 56 in 56 in the covid year. Still, missing a minimum of 12 games 9 of 11 years makes it a high risk.
 
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Players are generally peaking around 25, 26 now, maybe a year or so more for D men.

And with Tanev, the style he plays is bruising. He has only been above 70 games played once in 11 years, although he did do 56 in 56 in the covid year. Still, missing a minimum of 12 games 9 of 11 years makes it a high risk.
Ya, I was looking at his HockeyDB today and the last couple days, so I know what you mean with the games missed.

I'm still in the camp that the risk isn't worth it beyond 2 years. I just think alternative options are not going to be plentiful and that all stones need to be looked under to find a good fit. Still don't like a trade for him especially because of cost to acquire.

But, most importantly, I think it deserves pointing out. Chris Tanev is not washed up as of today. There is no reasonable argument of that being true, as of today. That process has not yet begun and he would pretty much jump to the top of our D core as the most defensively reliable, even ahead of Zub imo.

And beyond that, I'm just arguing that it CAN happen. Old guys can play well and if you play your cards right, could benefit like we have with Giroux. There were probably at least some that were thinking, really? 3 years? over 6 mil?
 

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I just don't see him on Girouxs level.

I see him more as an aging volchenkov or Phillips.

Not a true first pair D, but someone who can play on the second pair and anchor a shut down pair....and now he's on the verge of declining very soon.

That's not the level I see Giroux as.
why are you comparing chris tanev to stepan and giroux at all?

It's like saying he's "somewhere between Wayne and Brent".
 

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Can I ask for a clarification here?

If you think we're 16th in the league for talent right now, wouldn't that position us well to contend going forward, given how young the roster is?

Where do you think we'll be in 3 seasons?
I think I explained why they aren't a playoff team or a contender right after I said they are middle of the pack in talent. They could contend at some point sure but not now which is why they shouldn't be trading for Tanev he's 34. We already saw the team reach way too early on Debrincat and Chycnrun now they have the 2nd worst prospect pool in hockey. If they had stayed the course they're in a way better position to contend. One step forward 2 steps back. They need a physical rd with top 4 upside. There are hardly any out there I'd like to see them target Schneider. He's the right age and exactly what they need.

In 3 years I'd be upset if they weren't a playoff team. I think the retool can happen fast but they don't want to be good for 1 or 2 years I want a 10 year run like they had from 1997 to 2008. They have the core pieces but they need players coming down the pipeline as well.
 

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why are you comparing chris tanev to stepan and giroux at all?

It's like saying he's "somewhere between Wayne and Brent".

I'm saying I think he's a lot closer to Stepan , where if we acquire him, will be past his prime, then Giroux who has prolonged his prime.

They aren't meant to be player to player comparisons, but more of examples of how it might fare for us in the future.
 

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That team is FAR from contending
They were out of contending for meaning full games in December ffs
So far from contending for PO , far from contending for a PO round ....
The guy is 34 yo lol
Stop bleeding high draft picks left and right
 
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The take from most folks is 2 year contract, which in that case pretty well guarantees he goes to a playoff team. Only reason I see him coming to the Sens would be for 4 or more years, which would be UGH!
 

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Best fit is Edmonton, but the chance of that happening is awfully small.
Well, I think Edmonton is the best team out of the 3, so makes some sense he should want to go there, but I think he's pretty much the perfect fit in all 3 places since he's that prototypical D man you want for the playoffs and he'll be in the top 4 no matter where he goes.
 

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Oh ok, interesting. I don't know the history with this poster.

But I do remember many people saying we need to not cheap out and actually get an experienced POHO, an experienced GM and an experienced coach.

We didn't do any of that. We got a rookie president...made him GM (sounds like a Melnyk move to save on money) and then we'll see with the coach.

If the goal was to have staios as GM, why not hire a more experienced POHO instead of having a super thin management team.

So I get his frustration.. now that cheap owner was gone NOW we were supposed to invest in a full cupboard of top of the line POHO and GM but instead we got a rookie and gave him both roles.

So not only is he inexperienced but he's doing 2 jobs.


Isn't that the opposite of expanding our management group and bringing in experience?
I dont think that they cheaped out on management. Seems lot of the fanbase doesn't seem to acknowledge that ownership took over in the middle of pre season. They haven't had an offseason to fill those positions in hockey ops. Thats when all the options become available. Andlauder has done the exact opposite of cheaping out. He immediately bolstered analytics and hired Matt Nichol the best in the business for fitness and nutrition. Every other part of the organization has been added to or improved. Everything from marketing, hospitality, hell there are even more ushers. Its noticable how much better spirits all the staff are that are working the game. Andlauer renovated the players and family lounge and improved the meal plans and food. Look what he did for the familys when the team went to europe or the extra attention the mothers got on the mothers trip.

Andlauers hand was forced with both DJ and Dorion I highly doubt he came into the season wanting to fire them. He has added Alfie, Martin and Poulin to hockey ops... I do not think he is done either. Maybe give him an offseason to see is Staios hires a GM or more consultants.

Secondly Staios and Dorion couldnt be any different people and hires. Dorion was hired by someone that wanted a yes man at the helm that he could manipulate and pay as little as possible. Dorion had a good scouting back round I dont know how anyone thought he was qualified to be a General Manager at this level. How would he have any idea what it takes to win at the pro level. he never played, he never coached and never had success at the management level. The moment he took over Binghampton as the GM the team took a nose dive. I know from players on that team that he was unprofessional in how he addressed them and dealt with the players day to day.
I respect Dorion as an amateur scout but thats all he is and all his experience and skillset is cut out for.

Staios on the other hand was a guy that did it the hard way. No hand outs, 2nd round pick that worked his way on to a top pair on a team that went to the SCF he had 1000 games and played for his country. Once he was finished he went directly into management and worked his way up. He won an OHL championship ( something Dubas never did) and was a sought after commodity. While yes he is a rookie GM at the NHL level he has surrounded himself with other experienced people and I dont think he is done. He knows what it takes to win and so far he has taken a methodical approach. Yes he hasnt done anything major but I am glad there has been no panic and when you listen to his press conferences his hockey IQ and management abilities are undeniable. I dont think we can possible say that about Dorion.

I am going to wait and see before I judge but I have been very happy so far. I also dont think Dorion and Staios are anything alike from a professional and character level. Staios is willing to work with others and listen to their opinions. Dorion has a detailed history of the opposite.
 

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So like the forward version of acquiring Stepan.

Not a good idea.

why are you comparing chris tanev to stepan and giroux at all?

It's like saying he's "somewhere between Wayne and Brent".

I'm saying I think he's a lot closer to Stepan , where if we acquire him, will be past his prime, then Giroux who has prolonged his prime.

They aren't meant to be player to player comparisons, but more of examples of how it might fare for us in the future.
I'm guessing that some posters haven't really seen him play much or follow players closely outside of Senator players, and make a quick judgement based entirely on age. The comparison to Stepan was telling.
 

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DeMelo would be perfect. Not sure if the Jets would let him go, but we already know he has chemistry with Chabot.

Sanderson-Zub
Chabot/Chychrun-DeMelo

Trade one of Chabot or Chychrun for a goalie + top 9 forward.

I'm not holding my breath about Pesce/Roy/DeMelo but you never know... If Staios can pull this, we're going to be in a very good position. I'd keep Chabot, he doesn't have Chychrun's bomb but he's better in retrievals and transition and is known as one of the best play drivers from the back end. I think Hotsam would rock with a better DeMelo and behind an elite pair in Sanderson-Zub

Beyond stupid.

Would be Dorion-esque asset management to trade a 1st for a 34YR old Tanev when we're sitting bottom 5.

The kind of rumour that makes one question the competence of our new GM.

As of now it is a "rumor" so we can't hold it against Staios but if they really trade a 1st round pick for Tanev, it means our rebuild is pretty much over, and not in the positive sense.

We won't be able to take the next step without smart management and proper coaching. Look what incompetency for 7 years did. We can't afford a second more of that
 
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I think this makes sense if they can sign him to a 2 or 3 year deal. Something like a 2nd, Brannstrom, and Kubalik. Then we role with 5 very good defenders next year. They have the cap space to do it.

It also gives Calgary a minimum deal to work from and maybe instead they get a 1st out of one of our rivals like the leafs, which also works to our benefit.
 

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Tanev+ for chabot

Sanderson-Zub
Chychrun-Tanev
Kleven-Guenette/JBD

Use the chabot money wisely. Work on Tanevs inevitable replacement
 
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What the f*** is wrong with you?

Nothing.

It seems you don’t want to accept the our GM is a Rookie, with roughly a Month as a GM at the NHL…. Pretty straightforward and factual.
 

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I'm not holding my breath about Pesce/Roy/DeMelo but you never know... If Staios can pull this, we're going to be in a very good position. I'd keep Chabot, he doesn't have Chychrun's bomb but he's better in retrievals and transition and is known as one of the best play drivers from the back end. I think Hotsam would rock with a better DeMelo and behind an elite pair in Sanderson-Zub



As of now it is a "rumor" so we can't hold it against Staios but if they really trade a 1st round pick for Tanev, it means our rebuild is pretty much over, and not in the positive sense.

We won't be able to take the next step without smart management and proper coaching. Look what incompetency for 7 years did. We can't afford a second more of that
Wait, wait, wait. So now Chabot would rock behind an elite first pair annnd if he has a perfect rhd to play with? Not at 8m. Trade him if that is the scenario.
 

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I think it’s been reported 10 teams are interested and the cost is a 1st
Where was that reported?

The trade rumors thread puts the value a bit lower. And honestly I usually expect a bit lower than what fans around here predict. But some of that is going back to november when those rumors first started circulating.

I'm not going to pretend to know what he's actually worth, since I've only seen him play a few times. (And it's really okay to admit that and more people should. Internet humility for the win!)
 

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He repeats it over and over again trying to discredit him. Its pathetic, he isnt here to actually talk about this team he is gas lighting. He never did it with Dorion who was far less experienced in the hockey world and was also a rookie GM.

Much like his username, he has everything backwards and he sucks the life out of things.
 
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Look at our last 3 drafts. Not a single difference maker. We're at the bottom of the conference . We have to forfeit a 1st round pick on-top of this.

Things are looking very grim prospect wise. We suck and don't have any top prospects or a bunch of high draft picks to draft difference makers.

Odds are we'll be stuck as a middle team at best hoping for a lucky run.
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I think Ostapchuk will be a difference maker
 

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Wait, wait, wait. So now Chabot would rock behind an elite first pair annnd if he has a perfect rhd to play with? Not at 8m. Trade him if that is the scenario.

Yes

Are you watching the game tonight? Sanderson got injured.

Now imagine if we wouldn't have Chabot

Chychrun - Zub
Brannstrom - Hamonic/JBD

?????


My personal plan would be :

Sanderson - Zub
Chabot - (Methot)
Chychrun - JBD
Guenette

Take Tarasenko + Kubalik + Brannstrom money (9.5) and invest it in a RHD and a good 2-way forward in the Joseph mold. Sanderson and Pinto's extension is afforded by the cap rising and Dorion's dead cap expiring
 

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Yes

Are you watching the game tonight? Sanderson got injured.

Now imagine if we wouldn't have Chabot

Chychrun - Zub
Brannstrom - Hamonic/JBD

?????


My personal plan would be :

Sanderson - Zub
Chabot - (Methot)
Chychrun - JBD
Guenette

Take Tarasenko + Kubalik + Brannstrom money (9.5) and invest it in a RHD and a good 2-way forward in the Joseph mold. Sanderson and Pinto's extension is afforded by the cap rising and Dorion's dead cap expiring
Imagine what we would have for Chabot. Your post is dumb.
 

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